Rise of Civilizations v 3.13a

[cleavinghammer]

That's fine, but it'd still be better if you could rebuild them (maybe at double cost each time).

Sometimes creeps will spawn inside your base.

You should give the giant spidermechs Flying movement. They already look like they can step over cliffs, might as well make it that way.

Hero EXP gain seems very small. I had an ogre who survived all the way to the modern age and he never got higher than level 7.

Secondary town halls don't have an attack.

Maybe have an upgrade system for units similar to towers. For example, turn a caveman into a civilized caveman for 20 gold.

 

[Acorn511]

That's fine, but it'd still be better if you could rebuild them (maybe at double cost each time).

Sometimes creeps will spawn inside your base.

You should give the giant spidermechs Flying movement. They already look like they can step over cliffs, might as well make it that way.

Hero EXP gain seems very small. I had an ogre who survived all the way to the modern age and he never got higher than level 7.

Secondary town halls don't have an attack.

Maybe have an upgrade system for units similar to towers. For example, turn a caveman into a civilized caveman for 20 gold.

The problem is if I give spidermechs flying, they will be ripped apart by Anti-Air systems such as the f22. I can try finding another way around that, maybe giving them no collision.

Secondary town halls aren't meant to have an attack. You're supposed to defend them.

I could look into a unit upgrade system. It would take awhile though, unit first has to upgrade into another version of civilized caveman that costs less. However, it might get complicated since some units follow a non-linear path of upgrade. For example, does the cannon become artillery, tank, rocket launcher, toxin artillery? Does the mg gunner become a rocket troop, special ops, or ranger?

This might seem viable in the earlier ages but in later ages, there is no one unit that is "superior" to others. Rocket troop beat heavy tanks. Machine gunners beat rocket troops. Light tanks beat infantry. Etc...

 

[cleavinghammer]

I was thinking it'd be for the early ages, when there's little money to go around (if you already spent 15 gold on the caveman, it's better to pay 20 to convert him to a civilized caveman than spend 35 on a new one). If some of your units are still alive but are guaranteed to go down in one hit, upgrading them will keep them useful for longer.

Once your income lines are well established, replacing units isn't as big a problem, so it can be removed. Why would you need a third unit though?

You just need to set the tank's movement type to Fly, it'll still be attacked as a ground unit, but will move like a flyer.

 

[Acorn511]

Terrain revamp coming soon.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Looks cool.

And on the subject of upgradeable units, I think you should do something similar with the heroes so their icons can all appear, kinda like Empire Earth. For example, Warchief->Erik->Richard, Spear Master -> medieval ranged hero -> Frontiersman, etc.

Also, a few "upgrade town hall" tooltips read "upgrade to Neolithic age".

 

[ak1995]

awesome.
Keep it up with the updates ^^

 

[Acorn511]

This is going to take a couple of days. Here's a comparison.

Before:

After:

 

[Mordecai]

Question:Is map realistic or unrealistic?

Btw,Ragnarok is almost undestructable.Got him down with some Nuke tanks ,Reincarnation.....Oh god.Why didn't i build the particle cannon D:

 

[Acorn511]

Question:Is map realistic or unrealistic?

Btw,Ragnarok is almost undestructable.Got him down with some Nuke tanks ,Reincarnation.....Oh god.Why didn't i build the particle cannon D:

Not after modern age. I'll probably remove reincarnation from the last hero. If you build him, u pretty much dominate the game already though. 120 food requires at least 10 control points with fully upgraded cities.

 

[ak1995]

This keeps getting better and Better ^^
I will recommend this map to many of my friends ^^

 

[Acorn511]

This keeps getting better and Better ^^
I will recommend this map to many of my friends ^^

Thanks, I'm playtesting to make sure the pathing is correct right now.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Thus far I've only found one: at the enclosed valley immediately SW of the central square (the one where the control point doesn't belong to yellow player, another issue), the north wall has a spot in the ease that lets units up the cliff face.

I like the new terrain, though I feel some areas are more privileged than others.

 

[Acorn511]

Thus far I've only found one: at the enclosed valley immediately SW of the central square (the one where the control point doesn't belong to yellow player, another issue), the north wall has a spot in the ease that lets units up the cliff face.

I like the new terrain, though I feel some areas are more privileged than others.

Thanks. Basically I have to put invisible doodads for every cliff area because they are not true cliffs. It's easy to miss a few. Thanks for pointing them out

 

[cleavinghammer]

Also, a bug: upgraded towers and built towers are considered different units (as in, Guard towers upgraded from previous towers are not considered the same unit as the Guard towers built by the medieval worker).

 

[Brambleclaw]

Same think with unit builders. (Barracks etc)

 

[Acorn511]

Also, a bug: upgraded towers and built towers are considered different units (as in, Guard towers upgraded from previous towers are not considered the same unit as the Guard towers built by the medieval worker).

It's because they're different units techically. One costs less than the other. I'll include a "replace unit" trigger in the next update.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Actually, you might want to make the entire cliff face unwalkable instead of the top and bottom, as summoned units tend to get stuck inside the walls.

 

[Acorn511]

Actually, you might want to make the entire cliff face unwalkable instead of the top and bottom, as summoned units tend to get stuck inside the walls.

That will be difficult since it will use up a lot more doodads. Which summoned units get stuck?

 

[cleavinghammer]

In this particular case, Richard's summon (but really, any hero's summon spell counts). Thetroops attacking him were on a cliff, he cast it, and a few ended up stuck in the middle.

Isn't there a larger invisible doodad you can use?

 

[Acorn511]

In this particular case, Richard's summon (but really, any hero's summon spell counts). Thetroops attacking him were on a cliff, he cast it, and a few ended up stuck in the middle.

Isn't there a larger invisible doodad you can use?

There are larger ones but even so, it will greatly increase the amount of doodads on the map. I might change the way summons work so this wont happen (changing it to summon misha rather than archimonde)

 

[cleavinghammer]

That could work.

The tooltip for SCVs says they can build mech labs (they can't). You should set them to build mech labs and advanced war factories (since there's an unused space).

 

[Acorn511]

That could work.

The tooltip for SCVs says they can build mech labs (they can't). You should set them to build mech labs and advanced war factories (since there's an unused space).

okay. ill be making a bunch of fixes tonight

Edit: 2.04a now uploaded. Every change made minus the summon units. Still trying to find a fix for that without doodads.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Yeah, you're probably better off using the instaspawn summons. Just have it summon at minimum the weakest unit, and randomize the others with triggers.

 

[Acorn511]

Yeah, you're probably better off using the instaspawn summons. Just have it summon at minimum the weakest unit, and randomize the others with triggers.

Apparently i can change tile properties to make rock unpathable. Easiest fix ever

 

[cleavinghammer]

Welp, no more bugs that I can see (for now, at least).

Will you be adding anything later on?

 

[Acorn511]

Welp, no more bugs that I can see (for now, at least).

Will you be adding anything later on?

update: The pathing has not been completely resolved yet. Apparently newgen world editor's customize tile isn't working right on my computer.


Some things I'm considering:
-more heroes/wonders

-Going to try to make the map available for 12 players in the future. I'll have to rework the triggers/variables to host 12 players.

-Yes, revamp the apocalyptic age a bit more. Might try to get some non blizzard models for the capitals. Also thinking of going for more mechanical type apoco units rather than organic.

-selecting a nationality. Aka China has superior tanks/infantry, Britain having superior archers/aircraft, Middle East has superior stealth capabilities, North America having superior surveillance. Maybe unique units for each faction too.

-game mode selector in additon to the normal FFA:
"team survival mode" basically allies every player to each other to survive increasingly tough and numerous numbers of computer units

"zombie survival"-red has control of an undead faction instead of normal human units. Red units will be considerably weaker hp-wise but will be able to convert any units killed into the undead. All other players are allied and must survive. Walls would be of utmost importance.

-removing mage's guild and rogue camp. To make it more realistic, I will make the lvl 2 barrack upgradable to "archery range->shooting range, barracks (trains melee units), temple, or siegeworks".

Archery range will train light archers,archers, composite bows, xbows
Shooting range will train the arquebusier, muskeeter, rifleman, dragoon in addition to the archers.

Temple will train healers, crusaders (warriors that can heal), prophets (fortells disasters such as earthquake, meteor, volcanoes usually in enemy territory) and monks (converts enemy units like Age of Empires)

Siege works will build catapults, balistas, trebuchets, battering rams, and cannons

Barracks will train the swordsmen, horsemen, and all the other melee units.

Always open to suggestions. Most of the map was built off player suggestions in this comments area. This is what the map originally looked like: http://www.epicwar.com/maps/116161/ as comparison.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Cool. You should give the creeps some spellcasters though.

How many heroes total?

 

[ak1995]

I think there should be some sort of penalty everytime a player builds a wonder.

Lets say player Red, Just builded a wonder, The next wonder this player build will have a price icreasement of +25% OR he cannot build wonders in 2 min.

And Maybe give religion more influence ingame.
When Building temple you can upgrade what Religion you want to be in, you get a new religious building, which gives your unique Research and units.

Chrisitianity, Islam, hindoism & Zen buddism ( religion of japanese samurais )

Buildings : Chuch, Mosque, Templa (both hindu and Zen budism ).

players can have same religions, but when swithing to another religion, Tech will have +50% research time, and you cant ue the religious building for 120 sec.

Some units can be: Monks, Mujahidins, Priest, holy man, Samurai, crusader & more.

Just a suggestion

 

[Acorn511]

I could try to add religion in and maybe another resource like "favor" similar to age of mythology. All the units built from the temple would cost favor and any catastrophies such as meteor or tornado would cost that. Each religion would of course act differently. Stuff like buddhism would rely on peace such as converting the enemy. Others like the norse would rely on attack power and have unique units fast hit and run. Christianity would be a combination of both, healers/crusaders.

Let me know what you think.

 

[eusouokaos]

Bug: Sometimes the Neutral units seem to ignore pathing, i've seen them going trough Walls and even the Fortified Bases' Pathing Plockers. The Towers just keep drawing their Aggro and then they suddenly go trough anything on their way and atack the Tower that was drawing their Aggro. Happened at Single Player mode(was testing the new version) at the Mid/Top Left Base(the one with only one way in). My Network is kinda laggy now, so i can't upload a Screenshot of it, but i guess the details may be enough.

Hope you can fix it.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Favor might be a bit hard to balance (I haven't played Age of Mythology, so I don't know how it's handled), if it allows you to unload a dozen catastrophes all at once.

Also, obsolescence will be a factor: sure you can build faction specific units, but if they're up against standard units from three eras later they're not much use.

 

[Acorn511]

Bug: Sometimes the Neutral units seem to ignore pathing, i've seen them going trough Walls and even the Fortified Bases' Pathing Plockers. The Towers just keep drawing their Aggro and then they suddenly go trough anything on their way and atack the Tower that was drawing their Aggro. Happened at Single Player mode(was testing the new version) at the Mid/Top Left Base(the one with only one way in). My Network is kinda laggy now, so i can't upload a Screenshot of it, but i guess the details may be enough.

Hope you can fix it.

Can your own units ignore pathing? Or is it just the computer units?

 

[cleavinghammer]

Walls have the evolve / built problem the towers had.
I think the Market upgrades need some retooling, so you can upgrade them at least once per era.
Make the final tier barracks unbuildable until Munitions has been researched, there are few fates worse than being wiped out because you can't produce units anymore.

 

[eusouokaos]

Can your own units ignore pathing? Or is it just the computer units?

I don't know, they just come inside the base trough places that should have no way in, activated Walls or even places with Pathing Blockers(explained it last post) and then just atack my towers or some of my workers harvesting close to the borders of the base(the trees at the right side at the top/mid right fortified base, they're pretty close to the pathing blockers). Maybe if i had someone who could help me test it, i guess it's some trigger making them ignore Pathing or maybe deactivating Pathing Blockers, Idk. Maybe you have someone to help you, but first try to do it the same way i did: Single Player mode at the top/mid right fortified base with neutrals on.

 

[Acorn511]

Walls have the evolve / built problem the towers had.
I think the Market upgrades need some retooling, so you can upgrade them at least once per era.
Make the final tier barracks unbuildable until Munitions has been researched, there are few fates worse than being wiped out because you can't produce units anymore.

Unfortunately that is unresolvable right now. If i use the actual replace trigger, it will "pop" a wall out of place. All the walls become the same unit if you deactivate, activate them again.

Regarding the pathing, if you go into the world editor, I did have a trigger that turns off pathing for creeps for debugging. I might have accidentally turned it on. I'll look into that.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Ah, that explains why sometimes barracks suddenly teleport when upgraded.
There's also a pathing problem with wonders, they take up a lot less space when built than when they're being placed.

 

[eusouokaos]

Unfortunately that is unresolvable right now. If i use the actual replace trigger, it will "pop" a wall out of place. All the walls become the same unit if you deactivate, activate them again.

Regarding the pathing, if you go into the world editor, I did have a trigger that turns off pathing for creeps for debugging. I might have accidentally turned it on. I'll look into that.

Well, thanks.

Ah, that explains why sometimes barracks suddenly teleport when upgraded.
There's also a pathing problem with wonders, they take up a lot less space when built than when they're being placed.

some wonders aren't actually immovable structures, such as the great bombard, those don't take so much space when they're finished.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Buildings such as the Vatican and the Pyramid use a 2x2 base when finished.

 

[Acorn511]

Ah, that explains why sometimes barracks suddenly teleport when upgraded.
There's also a pathing problem with wonders, they take up a lot less space when built than when they're being placed.

I did that so the wonders won't POP away. There's many inherent problems with the "replace trigger" apparentally.

 

[Brambleclaw]

Just add in the object editor "upgrade to X" makes us pay the full price damn it

 

[Acorn511]

Just add in the object editor "upgrade to X" makes us pay the full price damn it

People complained about the full price. The other option i can do is temporarily disable pathing for the buildings for 1 split second so they don't tele away.

 

[wesley012]

I rather like the older version because of goldmines... But the terrain are Perfect..

 

[Spiderligh]

Hey there, i was playing with my friend and we find something interesting..

Ragnarok, you are more bigger than ever!

 

[Acorn511]

Hey there, i was playing with my friend and we find something interesting..

Ragnarok, you are more bigger than ever!

He shouldn't be that big. Though default zoom is 3000. That could be the reason

 

[Spiderligh]

Actually, one normal SDR can be like that at the zoom of 500(maybe?).
Zoom 2000 normally you can see the entire Ragnarok.

The truth and how do this:

How me and m friend did that?
Well, just take 2 ion cannons, and you do one friggin hole, now take 3 ion cannons and put on the same place, this is what happens.

I wanted do with full game the hole(Just a critical haha). We have used it at the total 8 or 7 times.
And this hole have made one mountain that you can go upward, and when you launch more ion cannons on this mountain more bigger is the mountain(Reverse Engineering)(The truth is: we f***** the Warcraft 3 Engine).

 

[Brambleclaw]

Like the terrain and new income system. Cps less op and force fighting. But requires full game or its just an expansion game as before

 

[Acorn511]

I'm considering modifying the income system a bit.

1. Control points will only grant food, no income
2. markets will give slightly less gold per tick. townhalls will give more income per tick

And wow, approaching 20 k dls. Thank you for your support. It has come a long way since being rejected in 2008!

 

[Tyrande.PH]

I'm considering modifying the income system a bit.

1. Control points will only grant food, no income
2. markets will give slightly less gold per tick. townhalls will give more income per tick

And wow, approaching 20 k dls. Thank you for your support. It has come a long way since being rejected in 2008!

It would be better if upgrading from ages to ages takes long... well atleas ALL PLAYERS ARE ALLOWED TO ADVANCE ON ANOTHER AGE AFTER "X MINS OF GAME"

3 mins of game Stone Age
6 mins of game Iron Age or something like that
Im not a newbie here.. and havent played for long so i think
i just have some mistakes...

 

[ak1995]

^
Well many people tend to advance very fast in technology in the game.
But if some other players act smart, they can build an army early game ( efficent from age III and onwards ) to rush an army to destroy the enemy before they tech far to fast

 

[Acorn511]

Currently working on zombie survival mode!

I aim to add a new level of cooperation among players in this mode.