Resource Categories & Genres

[Ralle]

Hey guys!
I want to make categories again, those labels are out of hand.

Maps:
Altered Melee
Melee
Aeon of Strife / AoS
Arena
Capture the Flag / CTF
Defense / Survival
Footmen Wars / Footmen Frenzy
Shooting / FPS
Hero Arena
Life of a Peasant / LOAP
Mini-Game
Maze / Escape
Offense
Role Playing Game / RPG
Strategy / Risk
Tower (Defense / TD / Maul / Wars)
Miscellaneous / Other

// Non-playable
Cinematic
Terrain
Templates

Spells:
Target Ground
Target Object
No Target
Aura / Passive

Models:
Units
Heros
Buildings
Effects
Doodads
Attachments
Items
Miscellaneous / Other

Icons:
CommandButtons
Items
Units
Buildings
Abilities
Upgrades

Skins:
Ground Textures
Units
Buildings
User Interface
Doodads & Destructables
Miscellaneous / Other
Effects

Tools:
MPQ Tools
Graphics Tools
World Editor Tools
Warcraft In-Game Tools
Miscellaneous / Other

Art:
Screenshots
Concept Art
Freehand
Blizzard Art
Real Life
Miscellaneous / Other




For Icons, Models & Spells there will be genres aswell:
Aircraft
Blood Elf
Command & Conquer
Creep
Critter
Daemon / Demon
Dinosaur
DragonBall Z
Dragon
Dwarven
Gnome
Goblin
High Elf
Human
Humoristic
Lizard
Lord of the Ring
Naga
Nerubian
Night Elf
Nintendo
Orc
Pandaren
Pokemon
Real Life
Red Alert
Space
Star Trek
Star Wars
Starcraft
Tauren
Troll
Undead
Vehicle
Warcraft II
Ward
Wood Elf

 

[Wolverabid]

Condensing the categories will certainly be helpful for resource moderators and submitters alike.

Fewer types means less confusion.

 

[Gauntlet2021]

If you wanted to condense the types for models etc further, you could stick pokemon, starwars, Lord of the Rings and the like under a category called "parody", "inspired' or something along those lines.

 

[Ralle]

no, they will be genres when that's made.

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

Star Trek and Star Wars should just be one category "Star Wars/Trek".

 

[Fulla]

For skins, a list of each unit would be very nice.
You know like>

Paladin, ArchMage, Mountain King, Bloodmage etc. etc.
For easy simple browsing.

 

[Ralle]

Star Trek and Star Wars should just be one category "Star Wars/Trek".

I agree

..blah blah..

I dunno about this.

 

[panther-anthro]

Shouldn't minigames/other/ and misc be in the same category?

 

[OutsiderXE]

Campaigns?

 

[Wolverabid]

Campaigns?

In regards to campaigns, it's my understanding that completely separate resource section (entirely aside from the maps) is eventually to be created.

For the time being, users wishing to submit those most substantial map resources should categorize them as Miscellaneous / Other.

 

[jonadrian619]

What if a Map has more than 2 Genres?

Well, what genre can I use in uploading maps when my maps actually have 2 or more genres associated with them..

I always make maps that have 2 or more genres associated with them, like my Castle Wars Professionals which combines Hero Defense, Mini-Game and Melee.

What genre then Im going to use when I upload a multi-genre map??

Or can you add to the Maps Rules the Hybrid type, where users can just type "Hybrid", a colon ), then the genres associated with that map... That'd be great!!

 

[Samuraid]

Can't you just select multiple labels for your map?

 

[Horn]

Castle Wars Professionals

People get paid to play your map?

 

[Ralle]

select 2 genres

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

When the Freedom Slips Away contained at least four genres, how the hell do you think I feel?

 

[Wolverabid]

[off-topic]

This subject has been discussed in the past.

In order to keep all the pertinent information in one place this thread shall be merged.

~ Threads merged.

 

[Massive_attack]

Model search system

It finds the new stuff just find but IGNORES ALOT of the old things it also seems to be case sensitive, this system should be changed ! i cant find anything with it !

Also we should be able to view all models in a paticular section like we could back at Wc3 sear.ch would help ALOT ! thanks.

 

[Kofi_Banan]

I think there also should be more labels , like on the wc3sear.ch ,that would make searching much easyier.

 

[Samuraid]

For Ralle: it would be nice to have a choice between boolean and natural mode. Natural would be the default.

 

[Mechanical Man]

What are boolean and natural mode?

 

[Massive_attack]

indeed wtf is that ?

 

[HappyTauren]

For Ralle: it would be nice to have a choice between boolean and natural mode. Natural would be the default.

It was a massage to Ralle, not you two xD

 

[Linaze]

I liked how you could pick race on wc3sear.ch, like human, orc, undead, was SO much easier to find shit then, would be cool to have it so on the hive as well.

 

[Massive_attack]

yess i liked how you could browse each catagory without needing to use any "searches" just by clicking on the category you could see what you wanted.

 

[Samuraid]

What are boolean and natural mode?

indeed wtf is that ?

It was a massage to Ralle, not you two xD

Indeed. Although I said it publically in this topic in case there was anyone else who might know the meaning and have some ideas/input on the specific issue.

 

[iron_warrior]

Catagories in the Resources Sections.

What ever happened to them? I know there were about a million different sections, but they were quite gnarly. For those that don't know what I'm talking about, back on Wc3Sear.ch in the Skins/Models sections there were various groups you could use to refine your searches...like "Starcraft," "Blood Elves," "Naga," and so on, and so forth. They were quite nice.

Something to consider putting back in, unless it's tough to do.

 

[Mor)L(unE]

indeed indeed, those things make it much easier to find things, because the current search button is crap

 

[Wolverabid]

Ralle is currently working his webmaster's fingers to the bone to further develop the resource section categories to make them more powerful and useful. The new system will include:

1. Main categories: The categories will be defined by Ralle and only the existing categories (or those he approves in the future) will be used.
   
   
2. Genres: Category-specific genres will include keywords which all resource submitters may define and submit. Examples:
   • Icons > Buildings > Space Orcs
   • Maps > Role Playing Game / RPG > Imagica
   • Models > Units > Badass
   
   
3. Categories and genres alike will be searchable.

[off-topic] ~ Threads merged.

 

[iron_warrior]

Ahh, my bad Wolverabid, didn't see the thread at all.

 

[SerraAvenger]

Some of the recent label submissions that are unlikely to be approved include:

Battleships

Moderators have discussed similar labels in the past and condensed the current list down to its present form.

Why not?
What's wrong with battleships?

 

[Wolverabid]

Battleships (or other non-standard map types) will not be included in the approved categories as many, many such categories would develop, each containing very few maps (or perhaps only a single one).

At present the approved categories are:

• Aeon of Strife / AoS
• Altered Melee
• Arena
• Campaign
• Capture the Flag / CTF
• Cinematic
• Defense / Survival Escape / Maze
• Footmen Wars / Footmen Frenzy
• Hero Arena
• Life of a Peasant / LOAP
• Melee
• Mini-Game
• Miscellaneous / Other
• Offense Role Playing Game / RPG
• Shooting / FPS
• Spells & Systems
• Strategy / Risk
• Template / Terrain
• Tower (Defense / TD / Maul / Wars)

Some minor adjustments still need to be made, however, they are likely to be in the downward direction: for example, when the list was originally created the Spell section did not exist. The addition of any new categories is very unlikely.

Ralle is currently working his webmaster's fingers to the bone to further develop the resource section categories to make them more powerful and useful. The new system will include:

1. Main categories: The categories will be defined by Ralle and only the existing categories (or those he approves in the future) will be used.
   
   
2. Genres: Category-specific genres will include keywords which all resource submitters may define and submit. Examples:
   • Icons > Buildings > Space Orcs
   • Maps > Role Playing Game / RPG > Imagica
   • Models > Units > Badass
   
   
3. Categories and genres alike will be searchable.

Model resources will be first to receive the genres in addition to the existing category labels. I'm not sure if he will work on maps next, although I hope he does.

Battleships would be a fine example of a genre (sub-category).

 

[SerraAvenger]

Battleships (or other non-standard map types) will not be included in the approved categories as many, many such categories would develop, each containing very few maps (or perhaps only a single one).

Battleships would be a fine example of a genre (sub-category).

I think it would be the only sub genre with 85+ ( list is uncomplete ) map makers


* 1. 6YDY_PAIIIUTb ( Reborn-stolen ).
* 2. RodOfnN0d ( pirateships ) .
* 3. Suppressor ( 4.22) .
* 4. Quantum_theory ( 1.187 )
* 5. Ipeonrush. ( 13s [Pro]/2.5b/3.5b/pirateships/GOAP,Orcs vs Pirates) .
* 6. Sked ofcourse (1.32-5.0) .
* 7. LIghtningBolt ( battle-mod 5.4c) .
* 8. Trollkopp / Hadi Harris ( advanced ) .
* 9. Heaven_76 ( Reborn ) .
* 10. Varimathras ( 4 player teams v5.8 ) .
* 11. FMGSSOUL ( Magma v1.3d) .
* 12. JUrii V. Parol/ ( All Stars 4.1F ) .
* 13. Ein psychopat( psycho rmd0.7 .
* 14. Say_no_to_War( Crossfire 2.93 - 3.76 ) .
* 15. Trymio ( Solid Pro 0.6/ special edition ) .
* 16. Goble/Breden( 13s [Pro]1.0-3.5b ) .
* 17. Demonfaze ( Icewind ) .
* 18. mattador ( npt ) .
* 19. jcl[pbs] ( ship wars ) .
* 20. CaptSpam ( Ships of War 1.0-1.2 ) .
* 21. Heaven_76 ( 1.0 / 1.1 ) .
* 22. Master Jacques ( Battleship Islands v1.61 ) .
* 23. Guicquero( imperial ) .
* 24. Pero ( .0978 ) .
* 25. Martino ( advanced-stolen ) .
* 26. Homicide13 (Project Battleships) .
* 27. Jack_sparrow_evo ( carribean ) .
* 28. ich - ( Psycho ships rmd0.89) .
* 29. Oblivion9 (carribean beta/x,Tempest) .
* 30. Gallien ( Imperial 3.73 ) .
* 31. Jan M ter Reehorst -(JaMiteR)( Dwarves v0.5 ) .
* 32. gnomeoncrack - ( turtle wars/Zoo ) .
* 33. nightstar ( extreme ) .
* 34. roxxar ( 13sg ) .
* 35. Projectx ( x ) .
* 36. Asia(Kalimdor)_Pirate_Haken ( 2(Ver1.20) ) .
* 37. Timber_wolf25 ( crossfire 2.93) and ( Imperial ) .
* 38. Satanic ( Solid Pro 0.6/ special edition ) .
* 39. CEMEH_CEMEHBl4 ( All Stars 4.0F ) .
* 40. whb1220 ( Battle Ship EX II 4.10??? ) .
* 41. Pommes_der_tote ( Battleships 5.0 ) .
* 42. Computer(hate) ( Arctic Battleships ) .
* 43. Frid ( BattleShip R ) .
* 44. Mr.Porno ( Ships of War v1.3/1.4 ) .
* 45. BladeWarrior17 ( Naval wars, Lagoon wars ) .
* 46. Redoubt ( Naval Combat v1.02 (P) ) .
* 47. SeigeTank2000 ( Naval Engagement V1.1 ) .
* 48. MYshadow ( Battle Ships II Atlantis 0.88 ) .
* 49. Majheel ( battleships final *stolen*) .
* 50. rush4hire ( Battle Ships 2.12 ) .
* 51. zalleswe ( battle ships 3.1 ) .
* 52. Callahan ( naval battle 1.0 ) .
* 53. pondora ( bships hyper ) .
* 54. drow.swords ( bships hyper ) .
* 55. fopfan1 ( star wars battleships ) .
* 56. Inconnu ( naval battle 1.2 ) .
* 57. breden ( 13attleships ) .
* 58. EX ( Battle Ship EX II ) .
* 59. Bouserteddy ( Tower-Ship 2v2 version (v3.23) ) .
* 60. Stephen G. ( Tidal Battle ) .
* 61. DiscoHydra ( boat Phun ) .
* 62. Wixflicker ( Battleships normal ) .
* 63. Ownedhehe ( Fiery Seas v1.6 ) .
* 64. 13sL-Berserker ( Fiery Seas v1.6 ) .
* 65. 13s-phattymatty ( Tempest ) .
* 66. Bladerz ( Top secret bs ) .
* 67. Seldarine ( 13attleships Vista ) .
* 68. Cpt_nemo ( Battleships Reborn ) .
* 69. Roxxar ( 13attleships Vista) .
* 70. TheImmortalOne ( Battleships 1.189) .
* 71. MisterTrader ( Battleships CS v1.5 Beta) .
* 72. matt_leblizz ( Battleships CS v1.5 Beta) .
* 73. Thrax- ( Bloody Pirates) .
* 74. Drumamasta ( 13attleships Sunken Ruins) .
* 75. 13sl-Berserker ( 13ATTLESHIPS FIERY SEAS v1.60 ) .
* 76. Madman00901 ( Battleships 0.3 BETA) .
* 77. Shadows_Call ( Battleship Command 1.88 ) .
* 78. PdH-J43ger ( Battle Ships V.8 ) .
* 79. Frostitch. ( Battleships149 and 169 ) .
* 80. XShortGuy ( Seas of Alterac 3.0 ) .
* 81. Kalisz ( Battleships Winter ) .
* 82. WestBerlin[BSL] ( BattleShips Psycho rmd0.90 ) .
* 83. OstBerlin[BSL] ( BattleShips Psycho rmd0.90 ) .
* 84. Roy-Makaay ( Frozen Rebel ).
* 85. Cpt.DaveyJones ( Battleships Speedmod 1.1 - New era 2.4).

 

[Wolverabid]

That a lot of Battleships maps! It will be up to Ralle to decide whether or not such a category is desirable, although it may be redundant. It's possible that most of those maps may be more properly categorized under one of the existing labels: his call.

At any rate, since our recent discussion has related to strictly to categories, genres and labels, it's probably best to move some posts to Ralle's category thread.

~ Four posts moved.

 

[HumanSlayerV]

Popularity

Okay, this site is the only site that I have found that you can get Warcraft 3 models from and is totally free of viruses and popups. Actually, this is the only website that I have found that you can get Warcraft 3 models from. But despite this, for some reason this site is not as popular as would be expected. I think I will always wonder about this. I think y'all should get more map files though, and definitely fix the search function for the models. I was trying to find a model for a car and the one that I finally found was called Vette. Think about this- someone searches "car," and they wouldn't find anything because the file is named Vette. Even if someone got so specific as to search "Corvette," the file still wouldn't turn up because the name, again, is Vette. I suggest that y'all add keywords to the searches so that things can be more easily found. Increased accessibility and ease of use= more popular.

 

[donut3.5]

We don't need any more maps. Seriously.
Pending maps come in faster than all of the moderators can approve them.
What we need are more quality maps, but that's up to the you, the user.
If you want to see more quality maps here, make them for us! We'd be glad to get them on here.
And as for the search thing, I believe it searches the description.. But I agree, it should also search name and author. For now, what people can do is upload their model with the name of the model and the author, as well as any keywords they want it to be searched under.
--donut3.5--

 

[Kwaliti]

ATM, the Search system (well, EVERY SINGLE Search System) uses search tags for detailed search, so the original author didn't supply the tags such as Corvette, Car etc etc. because most of the models came from wc3s, and while they were in transfer, Ralle and the others just didn't have time to add tags to those models.

 

[HumanSlayerV]

Well, they should task people with doing that, help clean up the tags for search.... Also, in my example, searching for the name wouldn't help because the name was just "Vette". Searching "Car" for name wouldn't help.

 

[Wolverabid]

Thanks for your kind words, HumanSlayerV, and for your input as well.

When our intrepid webmaster (Ralle) implements the new resource section scripts (hopefully within a couple of weeks or so) searches will be far more powerful as they will be based upon not only the present "categories" but also upon user-created "keywords" as well.

When he implements those scripts, we resource moderators will have our work cut out for us as we will have to carefully ensure that each specific resource is properly categorized and tagged. We'll try to do our best.

Resource Categories & Genres references this subject.

 

[HumanSlayerV]

I would be happy to help with adding keywords, did you say they would be user-created?

 

[Wolverabid]

Indeed they will be.

As each user submits their resource they will be able to include whatever keywords (Genres) they desire to describe their creations. The global tags (Categories) shall remain as-is: Moderator/Administrator created & approved. Both will, of course, be fully search-able.

 

[Kimbo]

Actually wc3c is far more popular than hive due to it's relations with other sites and its members and its hosting of PR which has been seen and talked of in PC power play or such.
www.Wc3campaigns.net has models aswell. There are alot of other smaller sites and areas but nothing worth jumping about. Alot of korean sites also have wc3 models, and xgm has alot but they are dirty and steal models and host horrible rips.

 

[EatShrooms]

hiveworkshop hits 21K on alexa, if that's not big, then I don't know what is.

 

[Samuraid]

Well, from a pure traffic ranking standpoint, it looks like Hive is already doing pretty well.

 

[Shados]

Add EpicWar to that graph, it's fucking hilarious then.

-*meow*

 

[HeretoDLstuff]

I wounder how clan cbs would be on that site...Probably not much

But yeah, epic war would be hallarious.....Add some dota sites and it ruins the effect. Im not really suprised about the chart though.....Hive on top and then thehelper, howd I gusse..

 

[donut3.5]

Wait, is wc3s seriously almost getting as many hits as wc3c?
--donut3.5--

 

[Wolverabid]

This is getting way off-topic guys: the thread subject relates to resource categories, generes and keywords.

I suggest that y'all add keywords to the searches so that things can be more easily found. Increased accessibility and ease of use= more popular.

~ Threads merged.

 

[Samuraid]

As far as I've seen, one of the hardest things to accomplish with a search system is how to order the results in a relevant fashion.

I think this is one of the biggest issues with the current system, because when you search, the keywords you type are matched against not only the title of the resource, but also the author, and description, etc...

So for example, if you search for something that shows up in a map description a lot, you might see that map on the list, even if the map title has nothing to do with the keywords you searched.

Using user-entered keywords may help this somewhat, but then you still have a similar problem: how do you order the results? You might have 100 maps that have the same keyword, so which map of the 100 would be shown at the top of the list when someone's search included the keyword?

 

[Kwaliti]

Maybe if there was a way if we could implement a Google powered search, however I doubt it.

 

[SerraAvenger]

Maybe if there was a way if we could implement a Google powered search, however I doubt it.

google makes reference counting if I got that right

So it doesn't seem as if you could implement such a system well into your site...