Pokemon RPG

[Lord_of_sausage]

Lol, would be so cool, i can make it if we want to

 

[Wazzz]

Awesome! I'd love to see it lol!

And Yixx said it was my worst idea yet. BAH!!! MUAHAHAAA!!!! WE SHALL SEE WHEN IT IS MADE!!! MUAHAHAHA!!!!

Check this out:
Yixx's Page

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

Lol, Yixx is a caterpie... well, i guess we all knew that

I think it would be better to just have some footage of the gameplay in the trailer

 

[HappyCockroach]

Beedrill is finished! i already compressed it..
its filesize is...

drumroll...

13KB
I squished the model. Its size is 40KB, but once you import it to your map, it changes the real filesize to 13KB, although in the import manager that doesn't show.

the shared texture, emotion.blp would be 44KB big, but now, compressed, thats only 12KB.
yeah, everything seems to be doing just fine with filesizes.

I will do a nice screenshot and upload it to the hive if Yixx doesn't answer me.

 

[Kuhneghetz]

Yeah, his Pikachu is really nice, with good particle effects, although the size is quite big.
If i get his permission to modify it, modify the texture, to lower the filesize it'll be sure among our models.

The filesize of my Pikachu is quite big because the animations are from the wc3 Raccoon (which itself was used in WoW as well), and those animations are very smooth.
Even when I have converted the animations to linear, it didn't do any drastic changes on the filesize.

But feel free to compress the model for your project.

Also, this tool might come in handy when it comes to compressing MDX files.
MDX Squisher - Wc3campaigns

 

[HappyCockroach]

YAY THANX!
xD
yeah, i use this tool with my models, it works just fine, i reduced a model of 40kb to 13kb with it...
If you let me, ill try to make the animation a little bit less detailed, if necessary, and squish the model, to reduce the filesize...

 

[Kuhneghetz]

YAY THANX!
xD
yeah, i use this tool with my models, it works just fine, i reduced a model of 40kb to 13kb with it...
If you let me, ill try to make the animation a little bit less detailed, if necessary, and squish the model, to reduce the filesize...

Feel free to do so for the project. =)

 

[Yixx]

Wow thanks DvO! ^^

Somehow Wazzz was actually right with the caterpie, im small (Caterpie) but i do and feel really tough and cool (Kabutops) xD,,
But i got other moves =\
Back to business,, ok Wazzz, make that trailer, and see what will be the best, an in-game, or a friggin Flash thingy xD

@ HappyCockRoach: Since you seem to be good with all those models and skins, can i send you the current models to reskin (maybe with in-game textures) or compress the texture and to downsize the model?
Thanks! =D

I got a map(not on the Map itself, on the computer with extracted models/skins) of friggin 1MB that could be easily downsized,, Could you do that? (Like you did with the Beedril, from 40 to 13? >=D )
I put it in a .rar file, you can open that? Tell me when you got problems!

 

[HappyCockroach]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models.php?id=e6m243
this is beedrill.
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About the files;
Ill tell u what i think about each of them.
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Articuno:
lame, just lame, the animations are imported correctly, but they seem too practical and they should have been more beautiful and slow.
the texture needs a BUNCH of work to be acceptable among our models.
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Arbok:
I already saw this model once, the texture is so bad, made in mspaint, probably. But you didn't send me texture, I see you agree with me. The animations aren't that bad, I can use them. I will do a texture to this model.
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Ekans:
If I ever use this one, I mean, not starting over, the texture will be started over. the animations aren't the worst thing in the earth as well as Arbok.
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Ghastly:
Acceptable in all aspects, except for the fact that I can save textures using emotion.blp, what I will do.
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Haunter:
Good model, just needs some shading and lively attack anims. i'll make it better.
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Pikachu:
good one, we can surely use it, but im gonna compress everything i can on it.
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Raichu:
good as well, although animations are really stiff. nothing i cant repair.
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Mewtwo:
no need for such a high polycount, im gonna merge its vertices. animations are creative, but very stiff. it's attack is like a bowing instead of a blow. About the model itself, outstandingly beautiful, as for me to suggest it was ripped. and the filesize, no way, im gonna make it way much smaller...
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Scientist:
Filesize will be lowered. Since their textures are mostly plain white, or black, I can use in-game ones to some body-parts.
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Pokeball:
good, very good. Im gonna do a pokeball projectile model, to the catch ability and to release the pokemon onto the battlefield. basically, it spins until reaching the desired position and there there are many flashing lights and lightning particles, since most of the pokemon have no birth animation to save space, this will avoid them to appear out of thin air like "POOF, there it is".
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all this files will be compressed the most I can compress them
about the map, hand it over! ill give it a try

 

[Yixx]

Nice! You really deserve some rep for your hard work! =D
About the models, i have been searching myself almost before i even started, so i didnt think about quality, size, etc. ,, that is why i am asking you now! =P

 

[HappyCockroach]

thanks!
yeah i realize the models arent yours hehehe if they were theyd be wtfpwnage! ';..;'
about the map, you can send it to me, id surely give it a try, i never played the map, also, by facts of scanning filesize saving possibilities... u.u

 

[HFR]

I saw youe Beedrill, and it's an nice model, great job! And, Yixx, who made your Hive Chan page?

HC: Maybe you can tell me what tools you use to make models, as I can learn and help you eith this insanely hard work (Only more 90 pokemanz!).

 

[Wazzz]

Lol, I think LoS was making that flash thingy. I used to have Flash, but don't know where it went

Also, my skill with Flash leaves much to be desired lol. However, I noticed that LoS made his own Avatar and thought, "Well, he'd be pretty good at it ."

Lol, I was accurate with the Caterpie thing . Notice my sig now has a link to your page lol

 

[HappyCockroach]

I use 3dsmax5 + Blizzard Art Tools.
It is a very expensive software.
i will PM you with an information i'd better not post in public forums.

 

[HFR]

Man, I'm not rich, and don't know to use these hard programs... And, HC, the Mewtwo model is Zerox's one? If is, you should ask permission to edit her model.

 

[Yixx]

Oh, HC,, on those models I sent you, can you reskin some (or rewrap) so they use in-game textures? If you could, that would be awesome!

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

I got 3ds max too, but cant get the MDX plugin to work. Oh, and then i suck at modelling

About the multiplayer map:

We should make players able to choose themself a pokemon party, if they don't have one themself. That would (hopefully) also increase the ammount of players who will play the singleplayer version

 

[HFR]

You have 3dsmax5 and you're not using it? Give to me!!!

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

Nevar Evar, it is teh minez!1!one!

nah, i can't atm, dont havev it where i am right now

 

[HappyCockroach]

3dsmax5 isnt a magic tool that creates models by itself, it is really hard to do models for warcraft without bugs, since it is a professional tool, even harder to do good-quality low-poly ones. so, dont be that excited about it if you don't know it yet, you are gonna get deeply disappointed.
*evil laugh*

Lord_of_sausage, totally agree with you, but it would be just for fun, you can't ever save it.
*evil laugh*[2]

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

we got a smiley for the evil laugh, if you feel like using it alot

MWAHAHAHAHA!!

yes, they shouldn't be saveable.

We still need to find away to make battles more appealing, since in pokemon games, you just spam the same move over and over again...

 

[HappyCockroach]

u always come up with true words.

ill be now uploading koffinzors to the model section

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

No, i jsut repeat what you say xD

But, enough spamming, lets keep on topic. The last 30 pages is only by us, and only idle chatter. We need to get some more in here, we need some to post, who isn't in the team. If we want a place to talk, only us, then let me handle it, and i set up our own forum

 

[Yixx]

Ok, i am currently rewriting some of the code, these are mainly the ones for Entering Houses and such,, this is because i am tired of GUI actually, i just hate using globals globals and globals,, so i am gonna use local, and switch over to Jass,, im gonna use as much normal Jass as possible, but for some things i will have to use vJass, or maybe still use GUI for some things,,

 

[HappyCockroach]

Yeah, i hate gui, I always convert to custom text and set locals as well.
I dont wanna move away from the hive eva! we can keep our discussion here, but more focused now...
Im gonna optimize Weezing and upload it now, then I will start butterfree and after butterfree I will find a way to import the models Yixx gave me into 3dsmax5

EDIT:

I feel like modelling bulbasaur.
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EDIT2:
BULBAWTFHOLYCRAPSAUR evolves to...

BULBACRAP!

i edited the post so u dont double post commenting and we get a cleaner thread, and less spammy

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

well... uhm.... yea.... its.........






OMFGPSYCKOHAXAWESOME! LOOKS 110% LIKE THE REAL ONE!!

nah, kidding, i know its wip, and supposed to look like that. Have modelled myself

 

[HFR]

Yixx: You received the map that I sent to you? We can use some triggers, or ideas for our map.

And, HC, I'm learning to make models using free tools now. And nice job, even that it's only a WIP.

 

[Yixx]

Yixx: You received the map that I sent to you? We can use some triggers, or ideas for our map.

And, HC, I'm learning to make models using free tools now. And nice job, even that it's only a WIP.

Ya i received the map but it didnt contain that much triggers, i can of course get some parts from it,,
but i am now doing some things again in Jass, to keep the code cleaner and make it easier for me (locals instead of globals)
EDIT: well, not now,, currently,, now = homework =P

@HC: Bulba on second pic looks nice!

 

[HappyCockroach]

Yixx: You received the map that I sent to you? We can use some triggers, or ideas for our map.

And, HC, I'm learning to make models using free tools now. And nice job, even that it's only a WIP.

thanks man

good ur learning to model, but i believe that u shouldn't give any priority to modelling since u have a role on the team and learning to model properly takes time and effort.
what u learn by the free tools won't be never wasted in the others, all of them have much in common.

Confidential

if u wan' i can try sending to ye the stuff ive got hear w'me!
u don' talk about it in public u kno, its illegal
jus' PM me

Ya i received the map but it didnt contain that much triggers, i can of course get some parts from it,,
but i am now doing some things again in Jass, to keep the code cleaner and make it easier for me (locals instead of globals)
EDIT: well, not now,, currently,, now = homework =P

@HC: Bulba on second pic looks nice!

I never played this map, im curious! lately i have been a modelling bitch...id like to chill and play the version u got, just to take a look at ur systems


OMG NOOBY SMILIES

 

[Wazzz]

I don't think we need to use that map, personally, it only really includes simple 'walk into a region, move unit instantly' triggers, which in the end isn't much. Appreciate the help they wanted to give, but I can't see why we'd use that personally.

 

[HappyCockroach]

I WANNA PLAY THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE MAP!
i never tried it.
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Bulbasaur is a mess in terms of textures. I tried looking for one in wc3 library, but not a single texture seems to fit, it ends up looking like a crazy shit! look at this

I tried more than 10 different textures, for each one i had to make a different UVW unwrap!!! it is pain in the aaaassssssss!!! i need to make a custom texture or ill go crazy once and for all!!!
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OMFG
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[rainbow](noobish smilies to calm down)[/rainbow]

 

[HFR]

UV wrap is really a pain in the ass... Made some today, and every single mistake, and, make it again!

Actually, modeling with the free tools is really hard, takes years to make good models, I'll stay with ma' precious terrains.
And, you can use an texture like the Bulba in the cartoon, to use in your Bulbassaur.

 

[Yixx]

Well you'll all have to wait for me to play the map! =D
As for the Bulbasaur, is that already a custom texture? Cause then i would suggest it being a little more green,, though the seed on its back will be green, i think that his body should be a little greener,,

 

[Wazzz]

Could you not get some of the green you want from the Felwood Fern and the Lorderan Summer Trees? I think the greens from both things combined would give a decent effect.

 

[Zeron]

Pokemon...

Gotta catch em all, Gotta catch em all ... Pokemon!!!!!! lol

Whens the demo comming out?

 

[varsaigen]

very interesting thread and I was just reading the first page (63 is too much) and I saw how you said just changing their color would work. I would have to agree. Example, you could take a rat, turn it yellow, ans have pikachu, purple for rattata, etc. And, I won't have to make moltress, cause all you need to do is use the Pheonix :/

 

[Yixx]

Well, the idea was to do most in-game models, but then HappyCockRoach came, with the idea of making models for ALL pkmn, with low file sizes! A requirement was mostly in-game textures and low size, and he worked that out quite very well!
You can check out the models so far (link on his Signature),,

@ Zeron, dont know really,, at least i want those models to be in (if possible) and i need to trigger some more,, So i guess still some time, sorry guys =(

 

[varsaigen]

yeah, I saw his models. They are pretty good for having a low filesize Now if only I could do that with my awesome Lugia model...

 

[Yixx]

I succesfully implented the Jass into the Map and now you can enter/exit PC, Lab and Gym with Jass =D,, though you wont notice it is Jass, but whatever
Houses and Mart will follow =D

@HC: Hows the Bulba going?

 

[HappyCockroach]

thanks! i saw ur lugia model already, it looks awesome. really awesome.
awesome work with the geometry!
some planes aren't twosided and there are some holes in it though.

is it "lugia aniMATED.rar" the name of the file?
If it isnt, forget it...

the animations are imported from the gargoyle right?
they look really good.
the model is outstanding and it isnt too high-poly for its needs, the texture is really small, everything seems to be alright, I believe that the biggest problem in this resulting filesize is the gargoyle anims, that are very detailed, i guess.
there are maaany unused nodes. erasing them would downsize the file.

@Yixx: i didnt work much lately. cuz i fucked my arm in the gym. so it is hard to model with one arm. but ill try to, sometimes. also, now it is easter holidays, 3 days i have, im going to my hometown and there i believe i wont model at all... =DDDD =(

 

[Yixx]

You got it broken or just a little thing? Cause that would be HELL for the project! You got a really high speed of making those models! =O,, so it would be a shame if it was something big,,
Hehe,, have fun on hometown-holidays! Lollolloll! xD

 

[Zeron]

Lol im on spring break.....A whole week of nothing.
Last year i went on a cruise,this year...ZzZzZzZzZz! lol

 

[varsaigen]

the lugia mesh I did not create. I am only animating t. All of it is scratch made. I designed all the anims on paper and I had to squeeze the last few in just to have enough room. XD Either way, it isn't done yet. There is a version of it out animated by someone else, but it's pretty bad. :/

Wondering though, would you be doing a sequel? and if so, how are you going to have the poke'mon set up? Oo 250? XD (or however many there were in Gold and Silver version )

 

[HFR]

When the first is finished, we will make a sequel, with the Gold/Silver/Crystal pokemons.

And go up for the custom models! They're A LOT better than ingame units.

 

[varsaigen]

lol Good luck

 

[HFR]

At least, Yixx said it and our manager, Wazzz, too.

ps: He gets very mad if you write his name with only 2 "Z". he he

And, Yixx, I know the demo isn't be ready for tomorrow, but, I'll not gonna release it next year, right? pressure, pressure, pressure, MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

[Whizza]

Ive been following this thread for the last couple of days,
sounds awesome, Good Luck getting the demo vers out

 

[Yixx]

Ya it gon be released next year! =P On first of April!
Nah,, idk,, im still working on it,,

 

[HFR]

Wow, Yixx, your day starts now, an mine ends now, 3:00 lol.

Anyway, you're working on the demo, and HC's making the models. Also, our model saver site is down, so, don't try to enter in www.wc3.net...

 

[Whizza]

Lol, that sounds confusing....
im guessing Yixx is in europe & you are closer to america?
and i overlap both of yous, lol, im an aussie