Orb Craft 0.2.3 AI

wh1pl4sh · Jul 8, 2009

how will the hook work? i've been wondering, can you catch orbs with the hook when they are being thrown?

shadonavan · Jul 8, 2009

Kyton....seriously.....my god...... I DIDNT KNOW YOU MADE THIS MAP 2!!!!! you truly are awsome! i take my hat off to you ive been playin this awhile and saw your profile saw this and OMG HE MADE IT. so yeah downloading newest version in 3....2.....NOW!

wh1pl4sh · Jul 8, 2009

yes kyton seems like a god here...

new version please!!! and tell me when you are gonna play it, you always leave me out, do i own too much?

KYTON · Jul 8, 2009

ZOMG...the hook was pissing me off....so I deleted it.....I tried to imitate the Pugies hook...then I found that the physic system I used has spring physics (ZOMG....).....and after creating a decent chain...which took me hours....It started to fly around.....and I had to controll it using void....

....The main prob was lag....

Desolation · Aug 19, 2009

Could you please add Ai?

KYTON · Oct 26, 2009

WHAT? somebody commented on my map.....:O impossible.....I'll start working again after the exams....Adding AI is hard....but not impossible.....I might make an AI version

Edit:
Update

After a few months of being inactive i decided to fix this map since it no longer worked with the newer versions of warcraft.

Falke13 · Nov 1, 2009

Fire orb seems to deal no dmg at all

KYTON · Nov 1, 2009

Thanks for the fast response. I'll look into it and will fix it as soon as possible.

I also noticed that Symbol of Warding appears to be bugged and will update as soon as I fixed Fire Orb.

Edit:
Update

Fixed Friendly fire that everyone wanted me to fx months ago.
Also the Book of Black magic now grants 15% life steal instead of 20%,

Still don't know whats wrong with orb of fire. It works well with my testing

if you experience it again with the new version it would be great if you could send me the replay.

Oohforf · Nov 3, 2009

How bout we get some AIs?

KYTON · Nov 4, 2009

i'm busy....but progress is SLOW due to exams....

...

Currently they seem to have a hard time noticing when a missile is moving in their direction (must have screwed up something)
and won't pickup items

Edit :
UPDATE

ADDED AI. See changelog for changes.

MortAr · Nov 7, 2009

I can't see the map into the game... wtf?

KYTON · Nov 7, 2009

Sorry!

My bad.....I made the maps name too long. If the File Name of a map is too long it doesn't appear in the list. Just change the map name...

UPDATE

See changelog.

krisserz · Nov 8, 2009

Great map... I always liked it very much. And now with AI... Simply amazing. Now the map gets from me 5/5 ;d

KYTON · Nov 10, 2009

Update

Edit : Why the hell doesn't my map preview show on hive

Edit 2: And now it works again

Somebody post something....

Falke13 · Nov 13, 2009

I had some really imba ideas

.You can change the map size to big or large so you will be able to create more arenas because now there is one arena for each mode.Maybe making all the arenas for all modes ? or making more arenas for each mode?.

Every turn there will be a different new random arena (it may happen to be the same arena twice on some turns but no problem) or let the host choose the arena on startup (but this one is very complicated)

The new Ai map is IMBA but in harbinger mode when you have the Orb that has to reach enemies' base all the allied ai follow you and if u go near a wall they can surround you and you are unable to move.Also the enemies target always the carrier of the ORB which is kinda annoying if u are at YOUR base and they just come from their base to kill you, ignoring all the other enemies that meet when they hunt the carrier and this one can make them die easily.

When game is over u get a: GAME OVER Red Won message but when blue team wins it's just with white characters: GAME OVER Blue Won
Add a better end plz . The paused screen sucks

KYTON · Nov 13, 2009

You can change the map size to big or large so you will be able to create more arenas because now there is one arena for each mode.Maybe making all the arenas for all modes ? or making more arenas for each mode?

Any ideas for arena's?

Every turn there will be a different new random arena (it may happen to be the same arena twice on some turns but no problem) or let the host choose the arena on startup (but this one is very complicated)

Really awesome idea. I'll implement it once i have at least 3 maps for each gametype. You'll then choose on startup between Map 1, Map 2,Map 3 or Random (where random will switch each time it enters combat)

The new Ai map is IMBA but in harbinger mode when you have the Orb that has to reach enemies' base all the allied ai follow you and if u go near a wall they can surround you and you are unable to move.Also the enemies target always the carrier of the ORB which is kinda annoying if u are at YOUR base and they just come from their base to kill you, ignoring all the other enemies that meet when they hunt the carrier and this one can make them die easily.

Lol. I'll try to make them smarter. :hohum:

I'll cause the allies to keep their distance like only move closer when you are too far away....about the ai suiciding againts the orb carrier....well....

maybe only chase you like crazy if you start to get close to their base or something....

When game is over u get a: GAME OVER Red Won message but when blue team wins it's just with white characters: GAME OVER Blue Won
Add a better end plz . The paused screen sucks

....only now that you pointed it out I realized how much the end SUCK. I'll colorize the text and.....well... any ideas how to make the end better? I thought maybe i should keep track of like most total damage dealt, most damage dealt in one life, most damage taken, most kills, most deaths etc...and then display everything in the end

like:

[PlayerName] dealt most damage scaling up to a total of [X]
Most damage in one life goes to [PlayerName] with [X] damage
[PlayerName] has the most deaths with a total of [X] deaths
...

I might even add a counter counting how many orbs miss and how many orbs you throw hit....displaying your accuracy.

Still need ideas for a good ending...

Edit : My map got approved

Ftw...Chances are I'll only be able to update my map in two weeks. I'm currently writing exams.

Falke13 · Nov 14, 2009

Most damage in one life goes to [PlayerName] with [X] damage

What do u mean with this?

Also all the stats should be with [PlayerName] for the first word just to look better.
That was what i thought about ending but the miss/hit stat make it like this:
[PlayerName] accuracy XX% (X=number from 1-100)

About any ideas for arenas can't give u any bcs i just test maps , i can't create any kind of map bcs i am not the type of guy who will try to learn how Wold Editor works.
But i can tell u something, just start drawing some lanes on a paper and try to make look like a map and if u like it go create it

KYTON · Nov 14, 2009

But i can tell u something, just start drawing some lanes on a paper and try to make look like a map and if u like it go create it

That would be awesome :thumbs_up:

Falke13 · Nov 14, 2009

Add a -random code for a single person if he wants to get a random hero(a friend of mine was the inspiration of this

he is addicted to -random lol)

AIs sometimes stand in a strange way that their orbs stop on their allies who are next to them.Imagine two heroes one next to other they throw orbs on an enemy who has the same distance from both of them (the enemy isn't from the side that only one of them can shot and hit him) , their orbs will hit (without dealing dmg )its ally.If this happens on large fights they just spamm orbs doing nothing and being a perfect pray for a human brain or another Ai who comes from another way

KYTON · Nov 17, 2009

Okay I've been working hard while i should be studying for exams and so far I added selection of maps via the Keyboard....there is also two new maps...one very small map with teleporters and one large map with trees with fully functional physics.

Death match or Team Deathmatch:
Ruined Temple (default map)
Isles (default ffa map)
Protals (new very small map for 2-4 players)
Forest Frenzy (new large map with trees)

King of the Hill
Broken Steps (default map)

Harbinger
Tranquility (default map + need a name)

I'll add more maps once i get some ideas. New version will also contain some ai fixes, random hero feature, selection of Orb Spawning (Random (new)/ Static Locations).

I'll upload once i get time to work again.

Edit: Falke13 +Rep for helping me with ideas.

Oohforf · Nov 17, 2009

Thanks for the AIs

!!!

Problem with the AIs

If is was to go on the blue team, the AI that would choose would choose which game mode would not choose at all. So what I suggest, is that you make it able for the player to choose which game mode, regardless of the team they are on, cuz I wanna see the blue team's heroes D:

Another problem, with harbringer

If you are near water, and an enemy uses orb of force on you, you would probably land in the water unable to move, until an enemy kills you.

KYTON · Nov 22, 2009

Oohforf said:
Oohforf said:

Problem with the AIs

If is was to go on the blue team, the AI that would choose would choose which game mode would not choose at all. So what I suggest, is that you make it able for the player to choose which game mode, regardless of the team they are on, cuz I wanna see the blue team's heroes D:

Click to expand...

I'll add host detection instead of letting Red choose the map....also the other team's heroes only look different but they have the same abilities.

Oohforf said:

Another problem, with harbringer

If you are near water, and an enemy uses orb of force on you, you would probably land in the water unable to move, until an enemy kills you.

Click to expand...

I thought I fixed this ....Thanx

UPDATE
see changelog.

Btw I know the end game rotating camera sucks...i'll replace it with something better.

Edit:

In the next few versions i plan to add:

Game core:
ability to select a random hero (forgot to add it in this version ..soz)
ability to play map again
ability to select new game settings after a game ended
ability to vote to end the game and select new settings
I might cause players to vote over game settings instead of letting one player decide
Player Awards

Gameplay:
Add new heroes:
Siegetank/Meatwagon: Ability: Shoot > Fire an orb at an extremely long range
(don't know yet): Ability: Hook. Throw an glaive grabbing onto the first unit/item and dragging it towards the caster.
Add new items (really need some new items)

sigh.....unfortunately i'll only be able to implement this two weeks from now.

* I'll merge posts when someone else post

KYTON · Dec 4, 2009

BUMP!!!

UPDATE

Orb Craft broke the 3K downloads......sweeet....

Oohforf · Dec 14, 2009

New orb idea:

Orb of Oblivion (you can only buy it)

The player throws an orb of oblivion at the ground near the target(s), pulling them near a whirlpool (?). As they get pulled in, they receive 5 damage per second, and when they enter the middle, it causes 25 damage, and stunning them for 5 seconds.

Hehe, yeah, really stupid...xD

Allelujah · Dec 17, 2009

Very nice map

I think you should add some arena for harbinger and king of the hill mode

Killfire · Dec 18, 2009

I still didnt play the map cuz my warcraft broke down so Im sorry if I suggest something that is ingame already
Anyways

Ideas:

Weakness Orb: Armor reduction AOI
Banishment Orb: Teleports the Target to a Separate Map and Then ports him back
Fire, Water, Lighting Wall Orb: Applies effects to a straight line instead of AOI

Enviroment effects for maps Ex: Fire burns you, Shallow water slows you down, etc.
Thats all

P.S. GREAT MAP, YOURE THE MAN

Falke13 · Dec 29, 2009

In which version are you going to put the accuracy , kills, deaths board?
Played with a mate and we both enjoyed it very much ,but AI's pwned both times .
The new map with the tropical terrain and trees was pretty good but it was unable to throw an orb behind the trees bcs trees had collision with orbs , so if someone hides him self behind some trees he can easily avoid any incoming orbs.I prefer to keep it this way but it was kinda annoying.
Waiting for more arenas

KYTON · Dec 29, 2009

ZOMG! :O I got feedback again! Thank you...Guess i'll work some more

.

Edit:
IDEAS NEEDED FOR UPDATE:

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!

Killfire said:
Weakness Orb: Armor reduction AOI

Orb of darkness

Killfire said:
Banishment Orb: Teleports the Target to a Separate Map and Then ports him back

Hmmm intereseting

...might add it altough Void orb currently teleport target to a random point in the map

Killfire said:
Fire, Water, Lighting Wall Orb: Applies effects to a straight line instead of AOI

:O! A wall-orb....awesome altough i don't know how i would add it.

Killfire said:
Enviroment effects for maps Ex: Fire burns you, Shallow water slows you down, etc.
Thats all

NOW THATS AWESOME

.....ftw...Just had this awesome idea.....I'll cause some orbs to interact with some terrain.....Water Orbs might deal 75 damage if the target is within water. Orbs of Fire might...i dono....deal reduced damage or something...

Falke13 · Dec 30, 2009

The AI some times at the time out spawn around you and you can't go anywhere because AIs don't move at time out, so you can't go anywhere or you can't shop.

The arena with the teleporters has some ''bugs'' for example at the left lower corner sometimes you can't go up to the higher level terrain and the hero goes from the other site, maybe making the site there a bit bigger.There are some other like this but i can't descripe them, i will try to get you a screenshot.

Also when you choose an arena make the minimap to show only the arena and not the entire map (I am not sure , you might already have this)

KYTON · Dec 30, 2009

I'll look into the bugs you've mentioned

Falke13 said:
Also when you choose an arena make the minimap to show only the arena and not the entire map (I am not sure , you might already have this)

Great idea...i'll add it :wink:

Falke13 · Dec 30, 2009

I have the screens i told you about.I couldn't upload them as they were so i zipped them.
At the first one while your hero is there if you order him to go at the red spot he will just go from the other way as the green arrow shows.If you order him to move at the blue spot he will go there normally.
At the second one , sometimes the hero goes from the other way instead of moving straight forward maybe making the place not so narrow would fix the promblem

View attachment Orb Craft Screenshots.rar

Also making the teleports don't show on the mini-map as shops would be great

KYTON · Dec 31, 2009

Thanks for the screens. I don't know if i fixed it, but I made some of the areas less narrow and changed the teleport distance and it haven't bugged yet. I also removed the minimap icons. I also realized that my King of the Hill map is actually a great map for Harbinger....so you can now play harbinger in Broken Steps as wel. Also did some changes so that I can in future versions make it possible to reselect game type/maps.

I'll update this post as i work

PS. Falke13 I can't give you more rep

since I have to pass rep around first

Falke13 · Dec 31, 2009

I have the same rep prob as you

, i can't rep you :S.

KYTON · Dec 31, 2009

Okay now I got this problem...I can't set the camera bounds to the current arena because ....Heroes are picked outside the arena....and when you set the camera bounds its for all players

Falke13 · Jan 3, 2010

Add a first blood message and an extra bonus gold and lumer for first kill.
Maybe adding messages for player who has many kills without any deaths.

I had some more suggestions but i forgot them :S

Edit: Only host can see the maps from higher (when you have to choose them ) but other players can't see it like host and they can't say if they like or not the arena.

Also can you add a restarting system so it can allow more modes to be played without remaking?

Best idea---->Last man standing yeah

(I think it's pretty clear to understand it)

The telekinis item doen't work (at least when it's upgrated to lvl 2).

Still can't remember what suggestions i had , i just signed in to post for the arenas ''bug'' but i found some good ideas

ChevronSeven	AncestralGuardianMissileBlue	Lightning bolts of the lightning orb
WILL THE ALMIGHTY	AncientExplode	Rune of Warding FX
	NewMassiveEX	Clockwork Orb Fx
Darky29	BlackDragonMissile	Rune Orb FX
Mc !	BlackHoleSpell	Void Orb
marcus158	LightningAura	Orb of Lightning Fx
JetFangInferno	LightningTornado	Lightning Storm ability
	VoodooAura3	Protection
General Frank	OrbBloodX	Orb of Blood
	OrbDarknessX	Orb of Darkness
	OrbDragonX	Orb of Force
	OrbIceX	Orb of Frost
	OrbLightX	Orb of Light
	OrbPoisonX	Orb of Acid
	OrbWaterX	Orb of Water
Callahan	Radioactivecloud	Toxic Orb
pWn3d	SunfireMissile	Hero Ability
anarchianbedlam	plasma mortar revized	Choas Bolt

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