Model Optimizer and Converter v1.3.0

[loktar]

Nice ideas, but it's outside the scope of this project.

Sometimes the optimized model is far heavier

Hmm, normally only the sanitation options should increase the filesize?

 

[Razorclaw_X]

I don't suppose you can explain to me which set of options tells the optimizer to not touch Particle Emitter Visibility or change Geoset Animation alphas? Those are the things that the current program likes to mess up for me.

Otherwise, so far the optimizer doesn't appear to do anything weird like the MDX / M3 tool does when squishing UVs (I'd seen a lot of cases where it makes new 'seams' at the edges so changing that can sometimes be dangerous), although I think some of the optimizations are a little too aggressive, but a least they're toggle-able.

It's also one of the few tools out there I've noticed that handles extents although I suppose it's actually the same as Magos.

 

[loktar]

Most likely that's caused by Delete Same-ish Keyframes, but without more info I can't be sure. That option has a few issues I think, hopefully will be able to resolve it in the future.

Which options are too aggressive in your opinion?

As for the extents, it doesn't really handle them per se. Just deletes excess ones and adds missing ones by copying or adding 0-value extents. No calculation is done or anything like that.

 

[Razorclaw_X]

Which options are too aggressive in your opinion?

Off the top of my head I disagree with removing a 0-length Global Sequence since I've found some use for that (like I said it's toggle-able, I can at least stop it from 'helping')

Okay, opening up the module personally I have everything on Materials and Textures unchecked. I have Merge Similar Geosets unchecked for the same reason (the two categories are related, but I understand why this one is in the next tab).

I don't think I understand what Delete Duplicate Geoset Animations is really about when Delete Unused Geoset Animations is right next to it (the latter in my mind should have taken care of that since each geoset can only have one geoset animation).

I think it's really just my personal practical tastes fighting with what can be optimal, and honestly it doesn't matter what I think as long as I can turn them off (because I can't say it isn't what other people want).

 

[loktar]

Hmm, maybe I should turn off 0-length globals by default, maybe duplicate geoanims too. The latter always deletes all of them except the first one, which may not be what the user wants.
Geosets can have multiple geoset animations, but it leads to buggy behaviour (best case scenario only one is actually used), afaik MdlVis can sometimes cause multiple geoanims per geoset (its visibility/alpha stuff is quite buggy), and in Magos you can do it manually (though I assume no one would do that except by accident).

I've thought about adding a preset feature, with safe and aggressive defaults and the ability to make custom presets. Not sure if I'll get to it though.

 

[Razorclaw_X]

Took me a while, but I figured out that one of the settings I do have on is setting the position of Pivot Point for Object 0 at {0, 0, 0} regardless of where it was before. Obviously this does nothing if Object 0's position doesn't matter, but if it is a joint it messes up everything.

 

[loktar]

Yeah I've noticed this too, weirdly it only happens on some models. Not sure what causes it, but gonna try to fix it whenever I get back to this.

 

[chopinski]

This is a great tool, but just wanted to point out that for some models, just processing using this tool even without optimizer or sanitization ticked on causes some animations to brake.

 

[loktar]

This is a great tool, but just wanted to point out that for some models, just processing using this tool even without optimizer or sanitization ticked on causes some animations to brake.

Might be caused by this:

Took me a while, but I figured out that one of the settings I do have on is setting the position of Pivot Point for Object 0 at {0, 0, 0} regardless of where it was before. Obviously this does nothing if Object 0's position doesn't matter, but if it is a joint it messes up everything.

Try copying back the original values into the top object and see if that fixes it.

This is first on my to do list to fix whenever I get back to work on this
I think it always happens, don't think it's related to a particular setting.

 

[chopinski]

Might be caused by this:

Try copying back the original values into the top object and see if that fixes it.

This is first on my to do list to fix whenever I get back to work on this
I think it always happens, don't think it's related to a particular setting.

By copying you mean converting the model to mdl, opening it with a text editor going down to PivotPoints and reverting the 3 values back to what they where in the original model?

EDIT: Yeah, that solves the problem alright! Thanks and Good Job!

 

[loktar]

That's one way, but you can also open the model in a model editor and do it there =)
Glad it worked!

 

[Millegz]

Oh my god, thank you, you're best!

 

[loktar]

Glad it's useful!

 

[Millegz]

Glad it's useful!

Help me some things, how i can optimizer mdx without _opt in file name ?

 

[loktar]

In the "Output" tab, uncheck "_opt Suffix".

 

[Millegz]

In the "Output" tab, uncheck "_opt Suffix".

Oh, my bad, thank you very much!
In this tool, some models's animaiton are broken, have any idea ?
although, this tool is very good, minus point i seem maybe is when optimizer multi models in many folder (compress units folder is a example), model only put in a folder and don't create folder like original
If it's a feature, sory about my bad!

 

[loktar]

In this tool, some models's animaiton are broken, have any idea ?

Make sure to uncheck "Delete Same-ish Keyframes", that option is bugged at the moment.

Otherwise it could be because of this bug:

Took me a while, but I figured out that one of the settings I do have on is setting the position of Pivot Point for Object 0 at {0, 0, 0} regardless of where it was before. Obviously this does nothing if Object 0's position doesn't matter, but if it is a joint it messes up everything.

In which case, try copying back the original values into the top object and see if that fixes it.

minus point i seem maybe is when optimizer multi models in many folder (compress units folder is a example), model only put in a folder and don't create folder like original

This is a good idea, maybe I'll implement it in the future. Right now you can only put everything in one folder or put it in the same folder as the source file.

 

[Millegz]

Make sure to uncheck "Delete Same-ish Keyframes", that option is bugged at the moment.

Otherwise it could be because of this bug:

In which case, try copying back the original values into the top object and see if that fixes it.


This is a good idea, maybe I'll implement it in the future. Right now you can only put everything in one folder or put it in the same folder as the source file.

thank you!

 

[Millegz]

I have error
Error: Invalid Light Flags value: 512
Error: Invalid Object Name value
What can I do ?

 

[loktar]

Those are bugs in the model itself. I believe the tool just ignores these, if the model is still being written it should be ok. Otherwise you will have fix it some other way.

 

[Millegz]

Those are bugs in the model itself. I believe the tool just ignores these, if the model is still being written it should be ok. Otherwise you will have fix it some other way.

I still have error in animation and model (in few models) and....a model was miniature, very small compared to the original size.
except for them, all is fine

 

[loktar]

Hmm, could be Delete Unused/Duplicate Geoset Animations, in some rare cases it is a bit bugged. The miniature one, maybe delete 0-length global sequences?

 

[Millegz]

Hmm, could be Delete Unused/Duplicate Geoset Animations, in some rare cases it is a bit bugged. The miniature one, maybe delete 0-length global sequences?

I don't have much knowlegde about model, but.... do you have any idea to fix miniature model ?

edit : i was fix model

 

[Millegz]

Is it a error ?

 

[loktar]

Hmm yeah, not sure what causes it. You can try turning all options off and see if it still happens. If not you can turn on options one by one to see which one causes it.

 

[Millegz]

Hmm yeah, not sure what causes it. You can try turning all options off and see if it still happens. If not you can turn on options one by one to see which one causes it.

Will try

 

[GoldenEggCN]

Hello, could i make a tool with your cmd_conv.exe and cmd_opt.exe? I will add you to the credits.

 

[Lt_Hawkeye]

After using this tool, it reduces the size of the model alot better than mdx optimizer without distorting the face, too.

However, I ran into a problem, which option causes certain geosets to no longer be hidden during specific animations though?

 

[Ustanak]

After using this tool, it reduces the size of the model alot better than mdx optimizer without distorting the face, too.

However, I ran into a problem, which option causes certain geosets to no longer be hidden during specific animations though?

That's probably because of the "linearizing animations" option that exists both in Mdlvis program. It causes the same problems. I'd suggest you tinker with the geoset animations and particle emitters after optimizing the model.

 

[Mythe_]

Getting corpses under units whenever they're doing anything other than standing. Not sure what I'd doing wrong.

Does carve down on the size of units heaps though.

 

[Jaccouille]

This tool feels excellent to me, have used plenty of time to optimize models, the only hiccup I had recently is 1 option messing up geoset animation (Delete same-ish keyframe).
You took the time to wrote tooltips for the options when you hover the cursor over them, that really nice.
I'd like to use the command line to test some stuff but I don't know/understand how to reproduce the settings from the GUI.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

If I understand correctly, it changes the precision of some of the binary data, which almost certainly won't be added in this tool.
The deleting of useless keyframes may be added here, and linearizing animations definitely will be. It depends on how much time I end up putting into this.

This tool optimizes by deleting useless data and merging duplicate data (e.g. identical vertices). Both tools can be used together.

How would one use both tools together?

 

[Lt_Hawkeye]

I typically use this tool first then place the result in the mdx squisher.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

I typically use this tool first then place the result in the mdx squisher.

What options do you have enabled?

 

[Lt_Hawkeye]

What options do you have enabled?

precision 7, everything else checked except for delete sameish keyframe as that tends to mess up geoset animation.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

What option causes models to stretch their bones/bodies after using this tool?

 

[Lt_Hawkeye]

What option causes models to stretch their bones/bodies after using this tool?

If this is models stretching across the screen, then some vertexes must not be connected to a bone. Try unchecking the delete unused bones and helpers

also is this in game, the editor, or a model editor? I seen stretching in magos/mdlvis before where in game, it does not occur.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

If this is models stretching across the screen, then some vertexes must not be connected to a bone. Try unchecking the delete unused bones and helpers

also is this in game, the editor, or a model editor? I seen stretching in magos/mdlvis before where in game, it does not occur.

It's in all three so I will try that though the squisher helped so much more by reducing its size by 75% when inside a map, but every penny counts.

Edit: Yup that was exactly the problem, thank you.

 

[Lt_Hawkeye]

Optimizing without/with any options appears to be causing some model's animations to break. For instance, after optimizing even without any options checked caused my walk animation to swap left to right.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

If you use retera's model studio to optimize, is it effectively the same as what this does?

 

[Lt_Hawkeye]

No, this does alot more stuff than RMS does in terms of optimizing. I use them both together though since their methods of deleting key frames seem to be different.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

No, this does alot more stuff than RMS does in terms of optimizing. I use them both together though since their methods of deleting key frames seem to be different.

What's the best way to combine this, RMS and mdx squisher?

 

[Lt_Hawkeye]

For my own methology, thought I will suggest experiment to what work best for you, I utilize RMS, then this then mdx squisher last.

 

[Tal'Rarity]

For my own methology, thought I will suggest experiment to what work best for you, I utilize RMS, then this then mdx squisher last.

Is it MDX/M3 Optimizer or the older one by Guest that's in substandard Mdx Squisher v1.0 ?

 

[Lt_Hawkeye]

The one by ghostwolf
since it’s more up to date.

 

[Lt_Hawkeye]

There appears to be some models where the thing will just keep passing forever. If anyone or maybe if the creator ever comes back, please reveal what possibly reason could be causing this, is it the complexity of the model?

 

[stan0033]

Hey man, can you change the interface of your app, like, put all checkboxes in groupboxes, instead of tabs, because this way it would be faster to see and check/uncheck them?

 

[Greedy Martyrdom]

overall very useful tool but one thing:

Delete same-ish keyframes breaks geoset animation such as visibility (screen 1) and sometimes moves bone_head to the origin attachment aka XYZ 0,0,0. Also sometime deletes for example rotation of bones on first frame such as bone_root (on screen 2, bone_root unanimated) and if any scaling was used, it descends to 0

 

[loktar]

Delete same-ish keyframes

Yeah this option is completely broken. I think I forgot to account for adjacent keyframes from different sequences, or something. Unfortunately I'm not planning on working on this anymore. Thanks for the rating!

 

[jj84]

after optimize a model, the program set first bone's position to zero, please fix this bug.

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