MineralZ 1.55(f)

[Zeatherann]

How do custom icons do this?

Totally agree with you on the mac thing

 

[AnonymousPro]

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Updates in 1.27e:
-Organic Alloy is fixed in 1.27. (I haven't tested it)
-Pages doesn't affect upgrade constructions.
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Temple area SOLO {Hard}

wave 5: Ionic Wall (could have gotten it by wave 4 ,though)
wave 23, 25: (200) Ranged Attacker...
on wave 23, I've had all my Syonic regenerators, Syonic generators, Syonic Turret (button[ba]) destroyed.
I was totally mindfucked.
wave 24 all went attacking wall instead of me.
wave 24, 26: Air Attacker...
I survived till wave 26 because Ionic Wall has it's own regen.
wave 26 killed me.
What's left were only my lonely Ionic wall, firm and strong.

Seems no room of discussion to reduce the range waves but it would affect The Temple
because no one can select it as base, it's impossible to survive in The Temple.

BUGS:

Readdressing issues that was brought up yet not implemented.
1. Xel'Naga Orb
It should be permanent and not an destroyable object which can be hit by waves.
2. [Tier 9] Ionic wall TANKIER THAN [Tier 10] Syonic wall
[Tier 9] Ionic wall has 7.5k hp, 40 armor, it's own regen.
(that's probably why we can get through wave 10)
[Tier 10] Syonic wall has 10k hp, 60 armor, BUT doesn't have regen.

Improvements:

1. Commands to show waves.
-air (shows air attacking waves to all players)
-ranged (shows range attacking waves to all players)
-boss # (shows boss # details, et cetera -boss 1, shows the first boss' HP, Abilities, Range, Armor.)

 

[Zeatherann]

Fix Icons For Macs. You should try this, I'd be willing to change your imported icons anyways.

Bug

: Fusion Generator Tier 4 has the spell 'Page Next' from the credit shop.

 

[Tonex]

I tried getting him to do that when I was on a Mac, but he was too lazy

 

[Zeatherann]

Programmers can't be lazy.

Aesthetic Error: Rubinite Mining has a different tooltip format than the other Mining upgrades.

Balance Issue: Boss 1 is weakest boss (duh). However, we can hold off this boss indefinitely, as such we don't start wave 11 until we are rolling in resources and have max tech, plus a good backup system of walls to boot!

 

[Kirus]

Question:

You can not have 2 houses of upgrade or 3 or how many you wan't, is that Right? You made suposed to like be that or is a bug and gonna fix?????????

With 2 houses upgrading i could reach on wave 10 i think max all upgrades of colectors(Diamond Rubnite Sapire Esmerald tier 15).
With 1 house upgradeing i have to w8 until wave 20 more to have upgrades done.

I'm still playing 1.16f...

 

[maddeem]

I'm reworking the entire minerals upgrade system. Right now the upgrades will be functioning as so:
To upgrade any cargo tech you need 2^lvl+2 of that mineral type

So for example if you want to upgrade rubinite to level 10 it will require you to have 1026 rubinite.
I have also changed how mining speed works. It is 2^lvl+2 Emnizium. You no longer need to turn around and go towards the house if you are within 200 wc3 yards of it. Meaning mining speed will have a greater impact on how fast you get minerals.
Also mining speed will reduce the time to mine as so:
5/(1+lvl*0.25)
So every level reduces the mining speed by 25%
So at level 10 mining speed it will make the miner return minerals at a rate of 1.42

 

[Tonex]

Technically the WC3 distance unit would be on the scale of centimeters, otherwise melee range would be 300 feet. In other words, if WC3 distance was yards, a peasant would be able to melee an enemy a football field away.

 

[Zeatherann]

Hmm...
Cost for upgrades (capacity): 4, 6, 10, 18, 34, 66, 130, 258, 514, 1_026, 2_050, 4_098, 8_194, 16_386, 32_770 Underscores separate thousands.

Same goes for mining speed cost.

Mine Time values: 5, 4, 3.33, 2.86, 2.5, 2.22, 2, 1.82, 1.67, 1.54, 1.43, 1.33, 1.25, 1.18, 1.11, 1.05, 1, 0.95, 0.87, 0.83, 0.8, 0.77, 0.74, 0.71, 0.69 (Rounded to hundredth place)

Are you sure you want this change? Also; what about the upgrade times?

Also Also: I'm a destroyer now.

Warcraft 3 range units are called 'yards' because World of Warcraft uses yards. Technically there was no name given to warcraft 3 distance units.

Edit 2: level 25 mining speed gives a total of 86.2% increase to mining, with the first 20% of that given from level 1.

 

[maddeem]

Updated, didn't feel like finishing 1.3 just yet so here is a half release. 1.28

 

[Zeatherann]

Are you sure of the price increase and your new math formulas?

Also; why is the mineral node damaged when i didn't attack it?

 

[Tonex]

It seems really stupid that you end up having to pay more and more for something that has less and less effect. Technically, the WoW units are pretty off then, if WoW yards are on the same scale as WC3 yards. I'm guessing that WoW units are actually the same as SC2 units, as SC2 units are 100 times the length of WC3 units. i.e. WC3 uses centimeters, WoW uses meters (technically yards, but using meters for the sake divisibility), and SC2 uses meters. I haven't actually played WoW, so I really don't know about their distance units.

 

[maddeem]

are you sure of the price increase and your new math formulas?
no i am not sure
also; why is the mineral node damaged when i didn't attack it?
dunno, never seen that happen.

1234

 

[BrownItToYa]

I agree with Tonex

Also,

if you aren't even sure on your own math of a major system change that really puts a question mark to anyone really wanting this map to strive.

Consistency is key and if you want to experiment, thats fine but if you fail to do so as you change systems this map will fail as a whole

/rage

 

[Zeatherann]

I love ripping people's math ideas apart and piecing it together in a poltergeist of imbalance.

Change the formula to lvl*lvl+2 this gives a better scale.

Also for the mining speed, make it upgrade in number of 'hits' to the node. Starting with what ever default (like 10 hits) you had, and each upgrade takes one hit off (making it faster, and less damage) with a minimum of like 1 hit or something.

To balance the less damage aspect; I assume that the more carried per load means more damage right?

 

[maddeem]

Change the formula to lvl*lvl+2 this gives a better scale.

Why on earth did I not think of this... Well actually even then the upgrades are too cheap, considering upgrading requires no time whatsoever now. If you could come up with a slightly more expensive formula I'd love ya for it
The damage is triggered to the minerals, the attack registers at 0 damage for minerals. So it's pretty much just animations.

 

[Zeatherann]

Seriously? just multiply the cost by 2...

Also: tentacles can detach from hives (or young hives) and go through everything. Is this truly planned? or an elusive bug that i recall from ages ago?

Edit: Like the animated mineralz logo i got now?

Edit2: Tonex made good use of it lol.

Edit3: Why the 1234 at the bottom of your post?

 

[AnonymousPro]

According to lvl*lvl+2
6,11,18,27,38,51,66,83,102,123,146,171,198,227
arranged from lvl=2 to lvl=15

I think you could have it this way,
lvl*lvl*average-level-of-all-gems/2

 

[maddeem]

seriously? Just multiply the cost by 2...
sometimes i am a real derp, you know that?
also: Tentacles can detach from hives (or young hives) and go through everything. Is this truly planned? Or an elusive bug that i recall from ages ago?
definately a err... Well lets call it a feature.
edit: Like the animated mineralz logo i got now?
yeah
edit2: Tonex made good use of it lol.

Edit3: Why the 1234 at the bottom of your post?
cuz if you edit within a quote and nothing else you need a response outside of quotes with a string length of at least 4

1234

 

[Zeatherann]

Odd...

 

[Zeatherann]

According to lvl*lvl+2
5,10,17,26,37,50,66,83,102,123,146,171,198,227
arranged from lvl=2 to lvl=15

I think you could have it this way,
lvl*lvl*average-level-of-all-gems/2

um... 2 * 2 + 2 != 5?

Woops, so sorry about double post, how can i fix?

 

[AnonymousPro]

um... 2 * 2 + 2 != 5?

Woops, so sorry about double post, how can i fix?

Because I was calculating my other methods too. I fixed that.
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According to lvl*lvl+2
6,11,18,27,38,51,66,83,102,123,146,171,198,227
arranged from lvl=2 to lvl=15

I think you could have it this way,
lvl*lvl*average-level-of-all-gems/2
when 2 upgrades reaches level 7, then use
lvl*lvl*average-level-of-all-gems/3
when 2 upgrades reaches level 10, then use
lvl*lvl*average-level-of-all-gems/4

lets say if this is the number of upgrades, sapdiaemnrub 1111
2nd upgrade 2*2*1.25/2=5
lets say if this is the number of upgrades, sapdiaemnrub 3343
5th upgrade 5*5*3.5/2=43.75 (round off to 44)
lets say if this is the number of upgrades, sapdiaemnrub 9363
10th upgrade 10*10*5.25/2 =262.5 (round off to 263)
lets say if this is the number of upgrades, sapdiaemnrub 1191410
15th upgrade 15*15*11.25/4 =632.8125 (633)

 

[Zeatherann]

And how to express that in the tooltip?

I think Maddeem wants to go with lvl^3.

 

[AnonymousPro]

Removed the caps which was made earlier on when I did not test the map.

After I tested MineralZ 1.28

I realized the max upgrade I went was 12 emn and 12 mining speed.
The rest upgrades I left them at 9.
2^15 is too scumbag. in fact beyond 2^9 is already too scumbag.
the most expensive price I can accept as overly priced upgrade is 2^11=2048

I've seen maps with calculations without showing them in the tooltips.
Just mention it in the first post will actually solve the problem of tooltip. (that's what I think)
If you must show in tooltip this is the simplest way to present my calculation.
Average(lvl)^2

Calculation result

Calculated reals were rounded off to integers.
sapdiaemnrub (1+1)111
2nd upgrade 1.25(2)^2=(5)
sapdiaemnrub 33(4+1)3
5th upgrade 5*5*3.5=(88)
sapdiaemnrub (9+1)363
10th upgrade 10*10*5.25 = (525)
sapdiaemnrub 119(14+1)10
15th upgrade 15*15*11.25 =(2531)
sapdiaemnrub 151515(14+1)
15th upgrade 15*15*14.25=(3206) (max all upgrades)

The positive effect is it takes more mineralz cost after each upgrade.
This is definitely better than lvl^3 in terms of costs and the number of upgrades a user can take.
an 14^3 upgrade = 2744
OR
sapdiaemnrub (14+1)101010
14th upgrade 11(14)^2=(2156)
User can at least afford one max upgrade.

 

[Zeatherann]

Maddeem likes lvl cubed, and I think he'll remove the cap anyways.

 

[AnonymousPro]

Maddeem likes lvl cubed, and I think he'll remove the cap anyways.

how do you know he likes it?
frankly speaking my dear lvl cubed would mean to give up the last few upgrades.
At starting levels, no one would take such high costs for a +1 mineral carriage.
At late game, yes EVERYONE would pay 3000 for a +1 mineral because it's logical and useful to produce another 5000.
Yes, lvl^3, best choice ever.

when I said remove the cap I mean that I've removed the cap I've written in the earlier post..
So what assumption did you made for the cap, then?

Bug:

[Tier 1]Weak lamp and [Tier2] lamp doens't give out any light after the first [Tier 3] lamp is built.
I've confirmed I've placed max tier generator too so it couldn't be a mistake.

 

[Tonex]

It should just be left as a(lvl)^2+b where a and b are constants that just help with balancing. I don't see why when you upgrade mineral production, other upgrades should influence it negatively. In fact, it would actually make sense that if you bought a high level upgrade in one mineral, it would make upgrading the other ones cheaper, as it's just similar technology being applied somewhere else, or such.

 

[Zeatherann]

how do you know he likes it?
Because him and i talked about it fer an hour or so.
frankly speaking my dear lvl cubed would mean to give up the last few upgrades.
At starting levels, no one would take such high costs for a +1 mineral carriage.
At late game, yes EVERYONE would pay 3000 for a +1 mineral because it's logical and useful to produce another 5000.
Yes, lvl^3, best choice ever.
Thank you

when I said remove the cap I mean that I've removed the cap I've written in the earlier post..
So what assumption did you made for the cap, then?
I mean cap as in you can, given enough resources, always upgrade it.

It should just be left as a(lvl)^2+b where a and b are constants that just help with balancing. I don't see why when you upgrade mineral production, other upgrades should influence it negatively. In fact, it would actually make sense that if you bought a high level upgrade in one mineral, it would make upgrading the other ones cheaper, as it's just similar technology being applied somewhere else, or such.

It's not a(lvl^2)+b, currently it's a(2^lvl)+b with a=1 and b=2.

 

[Tonex]

Yeah I know it's currently 2^lvl, but his plans are to make it lvl^2 or so, and I'm saying he should keep it at that rather than change it to something else

 

[Zeatherann]

Both things (lvl^2, and lvl^3) are my idea, and Maddeem didn't like the low cost of lvl^2, 2(lvl^2) was more favorable to him, but I believe i sold him on lvl^3.

Guess we'll wait for the next update or his next post huh?

 

[danio768]

Fix air units

Air units is too strong for rocket tower. I play with friend on hard mode and lost at 34 i think. Air units destroy all rocket towers (150hp...), one hit so this is impossible to win. I hope u fix this, because i will must play
1.16f version.
I think u can remove 50% less damage for mineralz, because dont recive damage. I finish normal mode and no recive credits on hard mode in this version but older version for example 1.16f i recive.

 

[Tonex]

Needs some Titanium Housing to increase hit points by 75...

 

[AnonymousPro]

It should just be left as a(lvl)^2+b where a and b are constants that just help with balancing.

well a(lvl)^2+b is exactly what I thought of,
however what I thought is when a=Average b=5 (constant)
I think we should go with either formulas.

 

[danio768]

Yea, but air is too strong(200 damage+%... at 34) and too fast and much healt. Rocket towers have no chance. Air at 22 have bounce attack and this too is hard survive when finish night is only 1/4 rocket towers(+ other lands defense) and must rebuild... for full upgrade one rocket tower need 120 green and 120 red(mineralz);p.

 

[secreal]

I have completed the easy (mighty), normal (slayer), hard (destroyer), nightmare (destroyer)
hell ( )?

 

[secreal]

Alright I think I will
Thanks, bug reports will really cut down my testing time lol
But if you don't find any... ALL THE BETTER hehe

I fixed the sell bug for those of you who knew that one.. Yes no more free blue minz lol

i love this bug!
1000000 saphirum!

 

[Zeatherann]

hell is also destroyer (wave 60)

 

[ryouzai]

Just finish easy mode of 1,28 @_@ dizzy right now
2hr 18mins of gameplay, exhausted~ah

attached with replay ^_^

max lv 14 green and collection lv14

lv15 requires 8194 @_@" and that guy upgraded

 

[WatsoN]

so we just finish the map i dontknow how mutch of it ? we lose playing on normal me and my 2 frend's and when we kill the 40 wave boss the flying meatball what a suprise the game did not finish the wave just kepp coming and coming so we stand to the biter end and win at 51/50 ? i ges wen u kill the normal bos u made the game to go on on ? so my qwestion e 51/50 is all there is or just on normal like bonus ? if we play it on hell what is the number of wave's ? and is there gona be another final boss other than the bloody magnutaur ?

 

[WatsoN]

um and i have a qwestion i em not map creator or enything just love maining maps i wonder is there someone to talk about to try revive one old map that is not playeble in the version of wc3 that we use in garena . . . um there's the link if someone wonder whitch game is it: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...search=Azeroth%20Goldrush%202.07c&d=list&r=20
this map as long i can remember is prety cool and surcle around resurses and mining i know this is not the place but then agein . . . just asking not gona kill enyone i gess

 

[Kirus]

I really liked thsi 1.28 version.
I tested a bit on Easy and is like say is Easy for new players and it is a good thing!
I still don't had a chance to trye Hard but i think is possible to pass now, some later versions wasn't.

 

[ryouzai]

solo Normal mode until 47 wave ^^

 

[ryouzai]

Another win on Easy mode which is not my intention to achieve at beginning during newbies game.
We moved to another player's base on wave 14, after wave30+ the guy died on air monsters, so i solo until wave 40 and the BOSS destroy half of my teslas by its skill, luckily still managed to kill the boss

 

[ryouzai]

@@ win Normal Mode with IfritVII , 2people ^^"V
earn 9 credits on 1.28 on normal mode, as usual the wave40 boss destroy 1/4 of our base...
which is air turrets base (Total: 2hr 12mins)

 

[Zeatherann]

That wave 40 boss only killed 4 buildings when I fought it.

 

[Tonex]

Please do not multipost. Please just edit the previous post.

 

[ryouzai]

That wave 40 boss only killed 4 buildings when I fought it.

Perhaps you should post a replay to show that

Please do not multipost. Please just edit the previous post.

There are different date ?

 

[AnonymousPro]

@ryouzai Actually you should stop posting replays, I doubt anyone watches it.
The current version is easier than previous ones if you noticed.

@maddeem I realized clan VoF is very dead lol.

 

[Zeatherann]

I could reproduce this amazing feat. My Strategy (only had 6 credits at this point, was paired with another person [no credits] who fed me all his credits) was to make a 5 layer defense (which was mostly built by wave 20); Wall -> Flame Turret Tier 7 -> Rocket Tower Tier 3 -> Syonic Regenerator -> Syonic Power Generator. I made a mistake building this, as most of the rocket tower layer was just flame turrets, so i only had about 30% rocket towers. The boss attacked a corner of this defense (where the wall and laters bends into a new direction).

 

[Tonex]

It doesn't matter if they are different days, you should still make it a habit to edit your previous post, unless you are purposely bumping the topic, which you aren't.