[Altered Melee] Melee with no Heroes

[The_New_Divide]

Hello guys. So the time is come to show you my current project.

Its a Altered Melee-Map, where u cant train or revive any heroes. Its include the normal WC3-Races Humans, Orcs, Undeads and Nightelves. Also switch the techtree of all four races a little bit(Fast training of Spellcasters).

Trainingbuildings like Baracks, Crypts, Spiritlodges and Chimaeraroosts can only train units and dont research any techs. All techs can be researched in Altars now, yes ALL.

New Units, upgrades and spells are available. This includes new spells for priest, shamans and co.

Also the most units can carries items and I changed most of the items, which can be buy in the shops of every race in cheap custom weapons and armors. They work like little unique upgrades. But be carefully, when units dies, the items are away for ever.

In the final stage, there are till 10 randomly options for AI-Players of else race for more varieties in soloplay.

Process

Units: 79%
Upgrades: 92%
Spells: 73%
Items: 87%
AI: 13%
Total: 81%

Some Stuff(Under Construction)

NEW UNITS

NEW SPELLS

NEW Upgrades

NEW Items

Orcs

Humans

Undeads

Nightelves

Icon	Name	Abilities	Process
	Troll-Skullsplinter	Armorbreak	Done
	Thunderbeast	Thunderflesh/Electroshock	Done
	Spiritwolf	Permanent Invisiblity/Critical Strike	Done

Icon	Name	Abilities	Process
	Phoenix	Phoenixfire/Phoenixashes	Done
	Thief	Theft/Throw Item	Done
	Archmage	Bannish/Blizzard/Conflagration/Massrecall	Done

Icon	Name	Abilities	Process
	Zombie	Lifesteal/Victim Ritual	Done
	Cryptbeast	Spawn Scarab/Burrow/Chitin	Done
	Lich	Infesting Ground/Spawn Bonelash/Death and Decay/Inferno	Undone

Icon	Name	Abilities	Process
	Gardness	Evade/Panthertaming	Done
	Panther	Savage/Panthertaming	Done
	Assassin	Evade/Shadowblade	Done
Keeper	Living Earth/Entangling Roots/Force of Nature	Undone

Orcs

Humans

Undeads

Nightelves

Name	Icon	Discription
Armorbreak		Give a chance of 8% to destroy a item of the attacked one.
Thunderflesh		Reduce the taken damage by 15 points, while not attacking. Attacks can not reduce under 5 points damage. When attacking, this effect is deactivated for 0.75 seconds.
Electroshock		Stun enemys with a electrical buff like "Purge" or "Lightningshield" for 0.75 Seconds.
Lightning Call		Allowed the shaman to attack Buildings with highvoltaged lightnings. Deals more damage and have a higher range.
Lightning Deflector
Voodoward
Healing Wave

Name	Icon	Discription
Theft		Theft one item of the target groundunit. If the Theft have not enough space in his inventory, he drop the effected item in front of him. Can used by allied units too.
Throw Item		Throw the first item in iteminventory to the target allied unit.
Call		Call the target unit to the sorceress.
Holy Shield
Stunning Shot		Have a chance of 15%, to damage a attacked by 5 extrapoints. Also stun this unit for 0.5 seconds.
Bannish
Blizzard
Conflagration
Massteleport

Name	Icon	Discription
Lifesteal		The Zombie become 150% of dealing damage against enemy units.
Victim Ritual		The Zombie loos 100 of his hitpoints to heal a friendly undead unit by 100 or a enemy dead unit for 50 points.
Spawn Scarab		Spawn a scarab from a corpse. Can spawn maximal 2 Scarabs. The Scarabs dies, when the spawning Cryptbeast are killed.
Thornshield		Deals 30% from meleedamage to his source backward.
Frostarmor
Animate Dead
Sleep

Name	Icon	Discription
Evade		Give a chance of 15%, to evade a attack.
Panthertaming		Mount a Panther to change in a Huntress. The Huntress have the same damage like Gardness, but increased range.
Savage		Deals more damage against units with items. Increase damage by 50% per item.
Shadowblade		The Assasin deals 60 points more damage, when she attacked from "Hide".
Magic Owl		Call a Magic Owl, which fly to his target and try to attack it. When the target unit dies, nearly enemy units will be attacken. Cann attack just one time. Magic Owls are slowy and invulnerable. Deals 250 points damage.
Natures Rage
Scout
Hybernate
Manaburn
Firespears
Dip		This wisp get invisible, when it harvest wood.

Orcs

Humans

Undeads

Nightelves

Name	Icon	Discription
Shaman-Grandmaster-Training
Witchdoctor-Grandmaster-Training
Spiritwalker-Grandmaster-Training
Lightningcall
Critical Strike
Armorbreak
Black Mystic
Troll-Stamina
Bloodhoofs

Name	Icon	Discription
Priest-Grandmaster-Training
Sorceress-Grandmaster-Training
Archmage-Adept-Training
Archmage-Master-Training
Archmage-Grandmaster-Training
Stunning Shot
Magic Blockade
Phoenixrage
Backpage
Hard Training

Name	Icon	Discription
Necromancer-Grandmaster-Training
Banshee-Grandmaster-Training
Deep Shadows
Thorned Shield
Intensify Teeth
Intelligent Projectiles
Improved Restoration

Name	Icon	Discription
Druid of the Talon-Grandmaster-Training
Druid of the claw-Grandmaster-Training
Panthertaming
Firespears
Starfall
Dip

Orcs

Humans

Undeads

Nightelves

Name	Icon	Discription
Staff of Sanctuary
Voododoll
Blackrockblade
Spiked Shield

Name	Icon	Discription
Little Townhall
Rustily Miner Pickax
Shieldsword
Arcane Coat
Royal Armor

Name	Icon	Discription
Diseastercloak
Ghostcape
Damned Scythe
Bonecap
Shadowboots

Name	Icon	Discription
Sentinel
Elunes Chain
Moonlightmask
Moonnightsword
Flamemantle
Wild Knives

I will update this post for more informations in future.

What will i do before release

-Improve discription of all units
-Destroy memoryleaking
-Make Triggers for MUI practicable
-Transfer concept on a other map

Every help in form of tips, suggestions, maptests, bug-or spellingreports etc. are always welcome.

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[slayerby]

i don't really like the sound of those, but how about editing one of those to "THE PATH OF HEROES"

 

[The_New_Divide]

When you know how to edit the poll, tell me^^

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Lots and lots of spelling errors. How about: Armored War

 

[The_New_Divide]

Lots and lots of spelling errors

Tell me where
and i destroy them all.

BTW: Did anyone know the english hotkey and discription of the spell "Ambush"?

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Process, abilities, assassin, panther taming, varieties, carries, etc


I think you should have an aura or something in the altar. Possible aura heal, or something different for every race.

 

[The_New_Divide]

I think you should have an aura or something in the altar. Possible aura heal, or something different for every race.

mhh, I think not so. As Techcentre the Altars are important enough.

 

[Whitewolf8]

Warcraft III: No More Heroes

Anyway, seems nice enough, makes me think something of Warcraft II, haha.

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Whitewolf8, that sounds so horrible :/. Like he had no other name for it. An original map name would be great. How about: Armored War, Expansion, Ancient Militaries, Mythical Battlefields, Kingdoms of Warcraft, Rise/Reign of the Armies,.

I'm really urging for you to make the altar have a purpose rather than a techtree building. Maybe train one type of special unit or have an aura/abilities like I suggested before.

 

[The_New_Divide]

SCN, you have really nice ideas for names. XD
Specially I like Armored War and Rise/Reign of the armies.

But the altars... become never a aura or a other special thing from me. Becouz I think, thats destroy the game. But for later versions, I want use the Advanced Builds-System for make more building. Maybe then i make some buildings with abilitys like global Auras or what else.

 

[Whitewolf8]

Whitewolf8, that sounds so horrible :/. Like he had no other name for it.

I take it you've never heard of that game that shares its name.
Pretty much everything I do or say is a reference to something.

But, if you want a more reasonable name, how about something along the lines of 'Age of Iron'?

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Altar with a use can be a source of anti-rushing (ghoul/footy rush) since there are no heroes to counter it.

 

[The_New_Divide]

mhh. lets see. Send me replays for prove, thats overpowered rushs are possible.

 

[Awsan]

I have tested your map and have found two little bugs c:
1 The Arcane Coat item does not increase mana regeneration.
2 The slow effect of the Royal Armor item does not stack (dont know if it's supposed to be)

My suggestion is to fix your tooltips a little, and find a better use of the altars. Good luck.

 

[The_New_Divide]

1 The Arcane Coat item does not increase mana regeneration.

fixed for next update

2 The slow effect of the Royal Armor item does not stack (dont know if it's supposed to be)

knowed bug, have no plan how to fix

 

[TaShadan]

I dont think that rushes are op.

 

[Daffa]

Daffa the Mage Opinion for [Altered Melee] the Death of Heroes

Hello The_New_Divide,

I would like to share my opinion of your map the Death of Heroes.

TERRAINING
Well, for me, I don't see any real flaws in your terrain, except that I can't stand the different tone [tileset] of northeastern zone and southwestern zone, also, the map is more like for 2v2, I recommend split the starting position more. But for the rest, I don't see any real flaws, good job.

3/5 - Useful

TRIGGERING
Your triggers, after my check on WE, it seems to have major amount of leaks. Also, some of them aren't MUI, which can cause some unwanted effect during gameplay.

1/5 - Unacceptable

GAMEPLAY
It seems the gameplay mostly share Melee play, except that you don't have heroes to wreck enemy lines, this results to slower game pace until everyone has massed an army to pawn other bases and camps.
Also, some Tooltip such as Banshee, Necromancer and many others still have their default where actually they are modified. It's however, a good job on trying to give a new atmosphere to Melee Maps [mostly like WC II].

2/5 - Lacking

BUGS + IMBALANCES
1. Cryptbeast's Burrow renders him unselectable, but he's not removed and causes issue with player's food
2. Ghost Cape item is OP as shit, unless player has invisible detector, they're doomed.
3. Necromancer has Scout ability which he can't learn

TYPOS
1. Bloodhoff --> Bloodhoof
2. Grandmaster --> Grand Master

OTHER SUGGESTIONS
1. Add some more units
2. Add more items
3. Improve the AI [make them use advanced troops]
4. Add more spells
5. Give Altar some kind of "blessing" where whenever used give player a certain boost for awhile.

FINAL RATING

2/5 - Lacking

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[The_New_Divide]

Hard but fair judgement. +Rep for that

1. Add some more units
2. Add more items
3. Improve the AI [make them use advanced troops]
4. Add more spells
5. Give Altar some kind of "blessing" where whenever used give player a certain boost for awhile.

1.The undone will come. More after Release
2.Will happen
3.

KI: 10%

Im to lazy at the moment^^
4.Will happen
5.NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Ok i see what i can do.

Edit: Daffa_The_Mage, I see you have played the undeads. Im sure you was dissapointed about the less items. The other races have more at the moment.

And I have played with the models for the cryptbeast... and forget to reset this.

2. Ghost Cape item is OP as shit, unless player has invisible detector, they're doomed.

Cost 200 gold(This much) and need highest tier. Against AI they are overpowered but not against real players I think. BTW Items get destroyed, when their carrier dies.

 

[Daffa]

I believe Orc and NE never has a detector by default (Dust of Appearance?), did you give them Detector as well?

Also, I manage to gather 2K gold for the game (from main gold mine) since I don't expand.
You can check the replay (1.26a) as well

 

[The_New_Divide]

I believe Orc and NE never has a detector by default (Dust of Appearance?), did you give them Detector as well?

Orc have witchdocs. NE have Sentinel as Item and Stormcrows with the ability "scout". I have add this accidently to necromancer(You remember?). Also the goblinshops sell this specific powder.

Also, I manage to gather 2K gold for the game (from main gold mine) since I don't expand.

Yes and...? The goldmines have the standart 12500 gold.

You can check the replay (1.26a) as well

checked^^

 

[Daffa]

I see.
Yeah, but with 2K, I can make 5 Invisible Aboms to harass enemy base (AI especially).
But in my case, I prefer harass them with Frost Wyrms, where AI mostly can't even resist them if I charge in well.

Anyway, I think it's not a big deal, since all races has Invisible Detector.

 

[I_am_Death]

i think u shouldn't make wisp become invinsible while harvesting wood cuz if u r a pro NE, u will know why

 

[The_New_Divide]

i think u shouldn't make wisp become invinsible while harvesting wood cuz if u r a pro NE, u will know why

This is after a upgrade in midgame... and why?

 

[I_am_Death]

someone use wisp to spy, and it invinsible so ..., you can control all the map, u know where will they go, what will they do, etc

 

[The_New_Divide]

Yes, this is the reason why I add this. But its allowed just after a upgrade. How much it should cost and what tier it should be in your opinion?

For yet its avalaible in tier 2 and cost 50/25 and need 30 seconds to research.

 

[I_am_Death]

neat more time to research, more money and tier 2, yep maybe tier 2
it's quite imba if it has only a little like that

 

[The_New_Divide]

Update

Notes

-Added a new unit: Archmage
-Added more upgrades and spells
-Added a Ai for humanplayers, which use magical units
-Added more Items
-Added effects for some items
-Change balance
-Some important Bugfixes

 

[The_New_Divide]

Here a replay from a UD-Mirrorgame for people of interests:

 

[Legal_Ease]

The Hero's Way

The Way of the Hero

Abandon

Steps of the Alter

Hero's Walk

Unforbidden Hero

Restless

Path of the Immortals

Way of the Wicked

The Day of the Hero

Immortal Dawn

Duskwind Hero

New Reign

Freedom Hero

Seven Days of Never

Just Another Kick-Ass Altered Melee Map

 

[Rheiko]

Just Another Kick-Ass Altered Melee Map

i like this one

 

[I_am_Death]

i like this one

ugh lol, agree XD

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Downloading the map.

 

[The_New_Divide]

Noticed, that is not the current version, which i have on my pc. Have found some bugs again. But i like to see your opinions and reviews SCN.

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Okay, well I just lost...

I'm sure someone mentioned this before, but the AI seems broken. I have only seen them train mostly ranged units, semi-massed up. The upgrades/damage are way to high, especially for ranged. Remember, many people play Warcraft because units don't die so fast, there is actually a lasting battle.

I see that new units, have target spells. The only bad thing about that is, without heroes, there wouldn't be a lot of support, and just a bunch of targeting units. I find that annoying, and it makes it not seem like an RTS. The game is slow in the beginning because you need 2-3 extra units more than regular melee to creep since the hero can take the damage with support.

My final thought is, I don't think it is gameplay worthy yet. I would change all the units, and many of the systems. Not just techtree and extra units.

(HP, mana, armor, can be used for many things)
(Gold, lumber, bounty, and food can be used for many things aswell)

As an RTS map maker, I always change a lot of the system because I want it to be original because that game type is the most popular map type in WarCraft.





What I suggest:

-Balance and change all the units to your liking.
-This is a great one, change the unit spacing of the buildings, the WC spacing is really weird with the types of buildings in it.
-Change the food cap larger
-Slightly speed up training times
-Practice AI skills
-more probably coming, I only played for less than 10 :/