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Map Idea- Russian Civil War

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The Russian Civil War

Factions Involved

-The Bolshevik Red Army (2 players)
-The White Army
-British Troops
-Ukraine Anarchists (Black Guards, Helped the Red Army))
-Czech Legion(Anit Bolshevik)
-Poland (later entered)
-United States Troops
Ideas Needed for more Factions

Background Information


Military Opposition
Opposition to Lenin's government began in November 1917 but at first was disorganized and ineffective. Many Russians believed that the Soviet regime would soon collapse, and an ideological gulf divided conservative military elements from moderates and socialists. In the Don region, General M.V. Alekseev, former imperial chief of staff, began organizing antiBolshevik elements soon after November into the Volunteer Army, which became the finest White fighting force. Before the Bolsheviks seized Russian military headquarters at Mogilev, some leading tsarist generals (Kornilov, A. I. Denikin, and others) escaped and joined Alekseev.

The anti-Bolshevik White movement included socially and ideologically disparate elements lacking in unity and coordination. Former tsarist officers exercised military and often political leadership, and played a disproportionate role. Though some were of humble origin, their education and status separated them from a largely illiterate peasantry. White soldiers were mostly Cossacks, set apart from ordinary peasants by independent land holdings and proud traditions. Officers and Cossacks had little in common ideologically with Kadet and SR intellectuals except antipathy for Bolshevism.


Trotsky's Red Army
Facing this motley opposition was a Red Army, created in January 1918. At first an undisciplined volunteer force, after Trotsky became War Commissar in April, it became a regular army with conscription and severe discipline imposed by former imperial officers. Trotsky defended this risky and controversial policy as "building socialism with the bricks of capitalism." To get Red soldiers to obey their officers, he appointed political commissars whose families were often held hostage to insure the officers' loyalty. Trotsky raised uncertain Red Army morale by appearing in his famous armored train at critical points. In August 1918 at Sviiashsk near Kazan he rallied dispirited Red troops and helped turn the tide against the SRs. Soviet historians still give him no credit for this brilliant feat of inspiration and organization, which saved the regime.

Czech Revolt, and Allied Intervention
Full-scale civil war and Allied intervention followed an uprising in May 1918 of the Czechoslovak Brigade in Russia. The Czechs had joined the imperial Russian army during World War I and, surviving its collapse, remained perhaps the best organized military force in Russia. Wishing to go to the French front to fight for an independent Czechoslovakia, the Czechs quarreled with Soviet authorities. Then they seized the Trans-Siberian Railroad, cleared the reds from most of Siberia, and aided their white opponents.

The Allies, claim Soviet accounts, employed the Czechs to activate all enemies of Red power, and with the United States intervened militarily to overthrow the Soviet regime. Western accounts affirm that Allied intervention was to restore a Russian front against Germany. President Wilson allowed Untied States participation in the Allied expeditions to north Russian ports in the summer of 1918 only after the Allied command insisted it was the only way to win World War I. Such individual Allied leaders as Winston Churchill and Marshal Foch, however, did aim to destroy Bolshevism through intervention. The Soviet-Western controversy over its nature and purpose still rages.

Soviet-Polish War
By Then the allies, except for the Japanese in Vladivostok, had departed and White resistance had weakened, but a Soviet-Polish war prolonged Russia's agony. To reconstitute a Greater Poland, the forces of Marshal Joseph Pilsudski invaded the Ukraine and captured Kiev in May 1920. A Soviet counteroffensive carried General M.N. Tukhachevskii's Red Army to Warsaw's outskirts, and Lenin sought to communize Poland. The Poles, however, rallied, drove out the Red Army, and forced Soviet Russia to accept an armistice and later the unfavorable Treaty of Riga (March 1921).

Soviet preoccupation with Poland enabled Baron Peter Wrangel, Denikin's successor and the ablest White general, to consolidate control oft he Crimea. Wrangel employed capable Kadet leaders to carry through land reform, won peasant support, and occupied considerable areas to the north. After the Soviet-Polish armistice in October 1920, the Red Army smashed Wrangel's resistance, and forced the evacuation of some 150,000 Whites to Constantinople.
Map Idea

Everything is going to be time based and certain factions in the war will enter at different times. and certain sides such as the Red Army will start off weak and as time through the game progresses the Red Army units will become stronger as they become better trained.

The Red Army will also have better commanders in the game then their enemies, except for the Czech Legion.

The Economic system will be based upon city capture in the game. And im going to try to include events that change the war a bit, so that it becomes more historical, but I am not going to make the game so that the Reds will always win, Im going to make it so the Whites have just as much of an equal chance to win as the Reds.

Ideas Needed
I just need ideas for what kind of units each faction should have.

Parts of Map Completed so Far
-Terrain is complete
-Cities all placed

still need to make the units for all the factions.
All help would be appreciated.
 
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Um.....
Aight....

I can give you for Cold war warfare... but I don't remember the weapons they used during pre WWII and post WWI...
So.... Yeah... Its all about theme...

1 type of army for everyone...

Buildings
-Mass Production Facility-For humans
--Airplane Upgrade
--Tanks
--Light Support Units (Anti Man)-Helicopter and Humvey
-Docks-For Boats
-Resupply Station-Supplies allied units with "ammo" (mana)
-Missile Depot-Chemical (only hits units in area), Biological (can spread from unit to unit) or Nuclear Attacks (huge attack radius)

Units
-Soldier-Cheap unit
--RPG ABility
--Guided Missile Soldier Ability

-Helicopter-Can use RPG and Guided Missile
--RPG ABility
--Guided Missile Soldier Ability
-Humvey-Anti Soldier (can attack more then one unit at once)
--RPG ABility
--Guided Missile Soldier Ability

-Tank-Bullets don't effect it, Takes out buildings and other Tanks
-Anti Air Tank-Takes out Air

-Anti Air Plane-Takes out other planes
-Bomber-Takes out Tanks and Buildings
 
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Why did you post this twice? Also why don't you think of a new setting, rather than ones people have done to the point where its no more fun.
 
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Souns like this idea might work. Is it going to be a risk like map (with actual correct terrain and cities and the like (see Europa))?
Ummm. . . make the bolchoviks (communists) have really weak troops but lots of them. .. . thats all folks.

I'll edit this post later for more but I got to go.
 
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THis actually gave me kinda a creative idea for a map...
-Your a capitalist leader and you pay different groups amounts of money
--You train some of the groups to become Soldiers through payment
--Pay different villages to let them use some of their men to build

Eventually lead it into intimidation where if you don't join, you get killed

It kinda reminded me of the Russian Revolution since the Borguozee wanted the rich out... but if they are payed a good amount of money and kept happy... they'll stay loyal until otherwise...
 
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nice idea, i was thinking the same some days ago just with : war-communism
and individuel fights betweew the stalin, lenin , trotsky and all the other candidates or what they are called. and wars all the wars from : 1917-1945 which inclouded russia.
 
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