Make hero defense map ? By Ogre Magi #3

[Pyrogasm]

An 80 minute video with no explanation within it is in my opinion, uh, not really a tutorial. At best it is an example. I did not watch the whole video but I clicked through all of it in small intervals just to see what was going on. You basically just build a trigger/struct with no context, explanation, or even description outside of the to do Notepad list. I see like 5 trigger comments but IMO that's nowhere near enough.

Why is this a video 'tutorial' if it could just be an example trigger? If the video had appropriate annotations for context, included a table of contents and timestamps within the big sections for easier jumping around, was organized/edited/sped-up, or explained why you built the triggers the way you did then I could see this maybe being a useful resource. But you didn't do any of that and it's just 80 uncut minutes of you making something that could be explained in 8 paragraphs of text and some example triggers instead. I'd rather read that for 20 minutes than watch you do this for 4x as long.

Some important things that you do within the game (like modify gameplay constants values to attempt to prevent leashing) aren't highlighted in any way so if I don't actually sit here and watch the whole thing through from start to finish I might actually miss those things.

I understand perhaps you don't speak english very well so can't record voiceover, so yeah that is a limitation. But... you can still add text annotations with the video, include a follow-along guide/writeup here instead of providing nothing at all, or break the video into smaller and more digestible/targeted sections that have a clear focus. What if I think I know what I'm doing and want to check my methods against what you chose to do? Do I just watch the whole 80 minutes then anyway?

I have problems with the execution here, but not you or the general format. I think this just needs a lot of polish to actually be useful to anyone.

 

[SunLord]

An 80 minute video with no explanation within it is in my opinion, uh, not really a tutorial. At best it is an example. I did not watch the whole video but I clicked through all of it in small intervals just to see what was going on. You basically just build a trigger/struct with no context, explanation, or even description outside of the to do Notepad list. I see like 5 trigger comments but IMO that's nowhere near enough.

Why is this a video 'tutorial' if it could just be an example trigger? If the video had appropriate annotations for context, included a table of contents and timestamps within the big sections for easier jumping around, was organized/edited/sped-up, or explained why you built the triggers the way you did then I could see this maybe being a useful resource. But you didn't do any of that and it's just 80 uncut minutes of you making something that could be explained in 8 paragraphs of text and some example triggers instead. I'd rather read that for 20 minutes than watch you do this for 4x as long.

Some important things that you do within the game (like modify gameplay constants values to attempt to prevent leashing) aren't highlighted in any way so if I don't actually sit here and watch the whole thing through from start to finish I might actually miss those things.

I understand perhaps you don't speak english very well so can't record voiceover, so yeah that is a limitation. But... you can still add text annotations with the video, include a follow-along guide/writeup here instead of providing nothing at all, or break the video into smaller and more digestible/targeted sections that have a clear focus. What if I think I know what I'm doing and want to check my methods against what you chose to do? Do I just watch the whole 80 minutes then anyway?

I have problems with the execution here, but not you or the general format. I think this just needs a lot of polish to actually be useful to anyone.

Thanks for your comment, it's really helpful. I'll review some of them better in the next video.

 

[SunLord]

Update more comment. Tomorrow, my todo list is:

• Set camera when pick hero
• Wave board timer
• Bounty gold
• Shop item
• Random pick
• Condition lose

 

[Aldeia]

My own opinion : Doubt any Jass/Vjass advanced users would make use of that, and most of the GUI users are mostly looking for ready to use and easy to import spells/systems, with most of the features added to GUI and being able to trigger via CC run.
If i would make a suggestion - you could make a Spell template : Hero Defense , with pre-defined systems in Jass and triggers in GUI that would run your jass code via some CC code, obv with a bit of tutorial as comments under the CC in the trigger sections.

 

[Bribe]

Just gonna drop in quickly to add:

    private static method SpellCondition takes nothing returns boolean
        //GetSpellAbilityId() is get id of ability in event of trigger you called.
        if GetSpellAbilityId() == 'A000' then  // 'A000' is ID of spell Pick Hero in wisp unit, you can check ID in F6 (Object manager) press Ctrl + D, it will show up
            return true
        endif
        return false
    endmethod

This should use something like SpellEffectEvent or GUI Spell System or SpellEvent. Also, why not just return the boolean directly in a one-liner instead of sticking to this weird GUI->JASS "I just converted my triggers to custom script for the first time" format?

 

[SunLord]

Just gonna drop in quickly to add:

    private static method SpellCondition takes nothing returns boolean
        //GetSpellAbilityId() is get id of ability in event of trigger you called.
        if GetSpellAbilityId() == 'A000' then  // 'A000' is ID of spell Pick Hero in wisp unit, you can check ID in F6 (Object manager) press Ctrl + D, it will show up
            return true
        endif
        return false
    endmethod

This should use something like SpellEffectEvent or GUI Spell System or SpellEvent. Also, why not just return the boolean directly in a one-liner instead of sticking to this weird GUI->JASS "I just converted my triggers to custom script for the first time" format?

Actually I could make condition for active it in the action function, but I'd say it could go through the condition step like the GUI did

My own opinion : Doubt any Jass/Vjass advanced users would make use of that, and most of the GUI users are mostly looking for ready to use and easy to import spells/systems, with most of the features added to GUI and being able to trigger via CC run.
If i would make a suggestion - you could make a Spell template : Hero Defense , with pre-defined systems in Jass and triggers in GUI that would run your jass code via some CC code, obv with a bit of tutorial as comments under the CC in the trigger sections.

I agree with you, I want to keep the presentation as simple as possible until it is neat. For example with waves, after you finish presenting the wave script, later when creating waves I will just need to set fourcc for each wave, it will run the wave without me having to edit the wave script instead.

 

[SunLord]

Update video #2 content here:

• Set camera when pick hero
• Wave board timer
• Bounty gold
• Shop item
• Random pick
• Condition lose

P/S: I took more notes and comments in videos, scripted code and avoided downtime. but it seems I still don't know how to make the video shorter.

 

[dhguardianes]

I really like that part. But I also agree with the comments above. The video duration is quite long, and JASS/VJASS can be challenging for those who are learning to make maps

 

[Wrda]

This looks like it belongs more in the tutorial section than the spell section.

 

[SunLord]

This looks like it belongs more in the tutorial section than the spell section.

I'm building it to become more automated, like a system. Then we will use them as a base code for creating hero defense maps.

I really like that part. But I also agree with the comments above. The video duration is quite long, and JASS/VJASS can be challenging for those who are learning to make maps

Agree, I will try to make the system as simple and easy to understand as possible. And with it you can set up a hero defense game in the fastest way

 

[Regno]

Can you go over the project setup? like how do you have a vsc folder with bunch of j files, etc all that setup stuff! Would be nice <3