Make a section for AI generated skins

[Elprede]

To chime in on the icons side of things, i think it would be better without that section to be honest.. since, half if not all the icons in the section seem rushed and not even remotely worthy of approval.

To add, maybe a couple out of the bunch seem useful but the rest seem like rushed acts of "just having something to upload" instead of putting the time and effort into them.. Just like the 2 icons you stated being,
Gerard Dugallez and, Geralt of Rivia Why, would we need those in warcraft 3? let alone in a map ? They dont have any sort of warcraft style incorporated with them and they seem rushed. And alot of people do not want to put any human effort into them after creating the AI image. If its for your model or skin i dont really mind that as long as its uploaded with the bundle. But, i feel like some users use the AI icon section as a place to spam random ideas that come up in there head.

So, in a whole i dont really think the section really needs to be around.. Maybe a sub forum were all the AI users can be amongst themselves and share AI works instead of having a section for them.. but thats just me.

The entire SC2's resource forum is "hidden" in the Off-Topic forum. AI generated resources could have its own resource forum in there.

The usefulness of an icon is not dependent on its art style. Warcraft custom content is not just limited to Warcraft themes. Some peeps even modify the game to the point, which the game is no longer recognizable. You may never know. Someone out there may find a use for it.

 

[Footman16]

You may never know. Someone out there may find a use for it.

The number of downloads would suggest otherwise.

 

[Panda]

The entire SC2's resource forum is "hidden" in the Off-Topic forum. AI generated resources could have its own resource forum in there.

The usefulness of an icon is not dependent on its art style. Warcraft custom content is not just limited to Warcraft themes. Some peeps even modify the game to the point, which the game is no longer recognizable. You may never know. Someone out there may find a use for it.

As this may be true, This is in fact. Is a warcraft 3 site. Not a "Naruto" site or a "Pokémon" site so if people want those icons or are in dying need of them or if people want to upload them simply because its useful then there needs to be a preferred section or "forum" just for "types" of resources being models/icons/skins that are "useful" but hold no rating towards them because it does not have to do with "warcraft 3" in a whole or they hold no effort put into it (AI) at all and therefore gets a bad rating. And, once someone who creates said icon or whatever it may be and then they see the low rating they get mad about it knowing that they did not put as much effort as they should into that resource. So, in a whole.. to solve them being "Mad" about the "low" rating, maybe like i stated before.. make a separate forum for all the AI users to upload there. But, then again i feel like people use AI to generate quicker resources to upload, so they can say they have some sort of resources below there name and it makes them feel better? not sure.

Going back to the "it might be useful" thing. There may be that 1 peon in the world who uses that resource but if thats the case then why bother uploading it then? I feel like thats always the case with alot of resources i reviewed with people saying "someone may want this so i uploaded it" Well, thats a fine gesture but at the same time that could be uploaded else ware or not at all because it seems like some people upload something just to upload something even if its AI or just something that does not make any sense.

 

[Macielos]

To chime in on the icons side of things, i think it would be better without that section to be honest.. since, half if not all the icons in the section seem rushed and not even remotely worthy of approval.

To add, maybe a couple out of the bunch seem useful but the rest seem like rushed acts of "just having something to upload" instead of putting the time and effort into them.. Just like the 2 icons you stated being,
Gerard Dugallez and, Geralt of Rivia Why, would we need those in warcraft 3? let alone in a map ? They dont have any sort of warcraft style incorporated with them and they seem rushed. And alot of people do not want to put any human effort into them after creating the AI image. If its for your model or skin i dont really mind that as long as its uploaded with the bundle. But, i feel like some users use the AI icon section as a place to spam random ideas that come up in there head.

So, in a whole i dont really think the section really needs to be around.. Maybe a sub forum were all the AI users can be amongst themselves and share AI works instead of having a section for them.. but thats just me.

This DuGalle seems to be quite close to SC: Remaster style, like many of this guy's icons. Maybe it could be used for some re-swapped campaign, or some project similar to Call of the Swarm? I don't know. It's up to one's imagination. Forcing the author so strongly to justify the asset's existence just because it's AI generated is pure nonsense. Are we a community of modders, or crusaders pushing our one and only view on others?

BTW: if this was to be rejected as non-consistent with Warcraft style, then what about tons of anime models and icons?

Someone uploads a resource.
Hivers:

• looks cool
• I don't need it, maybe it will be useful to someone
• I don't like this and this, please fix
• I don't like at all, downvote, not approve

Some upload an AI resource.
Hivers:

• WE (the collective) don't need it
• Why did you do it?
• Do anyone need it?
• Do anyone need anything like it?
• Let's dump the whole section
• Maybe we'll hide ones like you somewhere deep where we don't see...

Can't you guys see this is damn ridiculous? Like a syndrome of besieged stronghold, totally over-emotional and super-defensive reactions one's impossible to reason with. No way to find a common ground via responding to arguments given by the other side. So I guess it's time to finish the topic before this escalates into something nasty.

Signing off.

The entire SC2's resource forum is "hidden" in the Off-Topic forum. AI generated resources could have its own resource forum in there.

Holy crap, there is a SC2 section too? In Off-Topic? Damn... Well, at least something good came out of this, I keep discovering new corners of Hive.

 

[Panda]

This DuGalle seems to be quite close to SC: Remaster style, like many of this guy's icons. Maybe it could be used for some re-swapped campaign, or some project similar to Call of the Swarm? I don't know. It's up to one's imagination. Forcing the author so strongly to justify the asset's existence just because it's AI generated is pure nonsense. Are we a community of modders, or crusaders pushing our one and only view on others?

BTW: if this was to be rejected as non-consistent with Warcraft style, then what about tons of anime models and icons?

Someone uploads a resource.
Hivers:

• looks cool
• I don't need it, maybe it will be useful to someone
• I don't like this and this, please fix
• I don't like at all, downvote, not approve

Some upload an AI resource.
Hivers:

• WE (the collective) don't need it
• Why did you do it?
• Do anyone need it?
• Do anyone need anything like it?
• Let's dump the whole section
• Maybe we'll hide ones like you somewhere deep where we don't see...

Can't you guys see this is damn ridiculous? Like a syndrome of besieged stronghold, totally over-emotional and super-defensive reactions one's impossible to reason with. No way to find a common ground via responding to arguments given by the other side. So I guess it's time to finish the topic before this escalates into something nasty.

Signing off.


Holy crap, there is a SC2 section too? In Off-Topic? Damn... Well, at least something good came out of this, I keep discovering new corners of Hive.

Im not saying they are not useful.. im just stating there's no need for certain types of AI icons/models/skins that dont really have any resemblance to any Blizzard type game. After dealing with the icon section and reviews for some time now ive grown to notice how people are and how they upload. I dont really have much more to say to be frank, since i feel as if this forum post is getting nowhere quickly.

 

[Macielos]

Im not saying they are not useful.. im just stating there's no need for certain types of AI icons/models/skins that dont really have any resemblance to any Blizzard type game. After dealing with the icon section and reviews for some time now ive grown to notice how people are and how they upload. I dont really have much more to say to be frank, since i feel as if this forum post is getting nowhere quickly.

Are you for removing anime icons and models then? If consistency with Blizz style is a determinant...

Totally agreed this is going nowhere.

 

[Panda]

Are you for removing anime icons and models then? If consistency with Blizz style is a determinant...

Totally agreed this is going nowhere.

I mean like i said before there needs to be a sperate section for these type of "Icons/models/skins" As there used to be a "substandard" section around were there was a random assortment of icons you can pick from that are pulled from other sites/games so im not saying to remove them just simply have there own section were if people want to download them for there map they can. Just, not to mix it together with the actual "Blizzard" style icons/models/skins in a whole.

Because i know theres maps that have "Anime" models and icons which is cool but for the sake of the Hive and the rules need to be executed properly when uploading those models and icons .. exc.. So, a section that does not need moderation nor ratings that people can upload those types of works would be beneficial somewhat id think.. i dont know.

 

[Footman16]

This DuGalle seems to be quite close to SC: Remaster style, like many of this guy's icons. Maybe it could be used for some re-swapped campaign, or some project similar to Call of the Swarm? I don't know. It's up to one's imagination. Forcing the author so strongly to justify the asset's existence just because it's AI generated is pure nonsense. Are we a community of modders, or crusaders pushing our one and only view on others?

But as stated multiple times no one is stopping him from using them in their project. No one is stopping other people from generating the exact same icon in 2 seconds either. And based on downloads nobody else is using them.

BTW: if this was to be rejected as non-consistent with Warcraft style, then what about tons of anime models and icons?

Someone uploads a resource.
Hivers:

• looks cool
• I don't need it, maybe it will be useful to someone
• I don't like this and this, please fix
• I don't like at all, downvote, not approve

Some upload an AI resource.
Hivers:

• WE (the collective) don't need it
• Why did you do it?
• Do anyone need it?
• Do anyone need anything like it?
• Let's dump the whole section
• Maybe we'll hide ones like you somewhere deep where we don't see...

Can't you guys see this is damn ridiculous? Like a syndrome of besieged stronghold, totally over-emotional and super-defensive reactions one's impossible to reason with.

AI generated content represents a distinct and real thread to artists by people who steal and re-use their art without permission or compensation. It is being abused constantly and forced into spaces where it shouldn't be. As a site and community we are on the side of artists. So yes AI icons and textures do need to justify their existence and there isn't one. Human art is inherently valuable by the fact of it being human.

Holy crap, there is a SC2 section too? In Off-Topic? Damn... Well, at least something good came out of this, I keep discovering new corners of Hive.

It used to be more prominent but it's complete lack of activity made it not worth it compared to focusing on the Warcraft aspect and letting other websites cater to SC2 modding

 

[The Nightmare Book]

or some project similar to Call of the Swarm?

Off-topic, but I dont see any possibility of using such icons in any kind of such projects, pronto
It's easier to use WoW recolored or tweaked icons than such profile photos.

 

[deepstrasz]

Gerard Dugallez (the only non-AI one is an old port of SC1 icon even pre-remaster)
or
Geralt of Rivia (only non-AI Geralt icon is the simple recolor of Arthas)

I mean some might not be on the site but one could "port" them even from an art piece not just game icons instead of prompting the AI for it.
For instance from the Remastered version: https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Gerard_DuGalle
As for The Witcher, I'm sure you can get Geralt's head even from fan fiction art to make a good looking icon. If I wasn't clear. The character is very popular even outside the game series art.

or this dude specifically generating cool looking AI icons for his models (lots of model assets on Hive lack proper icons)

Sure. Not saying that kind of stuff isn't useful but still looks not that Warcrafty, well, looks more closer to Reforged "HD" yeah. But still, I'd prefer properly non-AI edited screenshots at least if not even traced drawings.

So, in a whole i dont really think the section really needs to be around.. Maybe a sub forum were all the AI users can be amongst themselves and share AI works instead of having a section for them.. but thats just me.

Whole continental segregation xD

The usefulness of an icon is not dependent on its art style. Warcraft custom content is not just limited to Warcraft themes. Some peeps even modify the game to the point, which the game is no longer recognizable. You may never know. Someone out there may find a use for it.

Those some people are too few to count for a whole section. Even then, they don't simply port every asset say from a LotR or Half-Life game to make the whole experience that different. They make use of various elements from there and here and create an impression of those franchises. For instance, you'll see best use from WoW models and textures (because they're that many and easier to export/import) instead for non-Warcraft custom universe based maps/campaigns.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Just like the 2 icons you stated being,
Gerard Dugallez and, Geralt of Rivia Why, would we need those in warcraft 3? let alone in a map ? They dont have any sort of warcraft style incorporated with them and they seem rushed.

Well now hold on there buckaroo because that line of reasoning would also apply quite readily to the glut of anime models on the Hive.

Which, look, I have long held a personal dislike for & desired to get rid of... But there are plenty of people out there who love their anime maps & characters, and who am I to say they shouldn't exist?

So let's leave space for people to make a StarCraft or Witcher custom map (& thus the assets for it), methinks.

But, i feel like some users use the AI icon section as a place to spam random ideas that come up in there head.

Well if that's happening, it's perhaps because people do get "cred" for uploading assets, right? Both the number under their name & rep for every upload?

Maybe AI assets could be restricted to not give Reputation for uploading?