Kalimdor Islands

[Moderator]

13:24, 1st May 2013
Orcnet: a decent altered melee by using creeps as a steady race, good choice and use of islands as a strategic move and all, approved

 

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This Version does not use the camera system, the camera triggers are simply disabled.

 

[AwzomeWulfzz]

Hey, y u no add murloczkzz?!!111!! Just kidding. Anyways, I played it, and was fun with my friends. Pretty fun. No need to explain. 5/5.

 

[Legal_Ease]

Hey thanks for the great review!!! I appreciate it!
Change log: added one Murloc in here!

 

[Binsu]

Hmmm, from the screenshots it looks good and very interesting. Will try it out... for now have a +2 REP for the effort poured into this map!

 

[Legal_Ease]

Hey Thanks x2!!!

 

[Vinz]

Awesome.

Edit: Review emerges.

Races are a bit balanced, I should say. But bad models(like the mounted archers) ruined the gameplay a bit. The screenshot only motivates people a bit to play the game because it is only done in paint. Use Photoshop or temporarily place those units together.

Rating: 3/5 Fine

 

[Davion24]

Great terrain , good races all good.

[EDIT] : this played well on my laptop, but on my desktop it crashed after loading. T^T

 

[cleavinghammer]

Quite a few bugs left.


The Blood Elf upgrades are limited to the first level since you need a keep.
Several tooltips need changing (the BE blacksmith still mentions gunpowder, several Goblin, Gnoll and Dwarf buildings have different names or nonexistent units, Manticore Pit says it needs to be built in water...).
If you're going to keep the camera for the flying units, set it a bit higher off the ground.
Several units sell items, is that supposed to be the case?
Dwarf Frigates can't attack air.
The camera doesn't switch to third-person for the trolls.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Sorry, slow system.

 

[Legal_Ease]

Several units sell items, is that supposed to be the case?

Yes, most caster units sell items. Its to add to the general concept of making everything possible available. More Mercs, more races, more ships, more items than ever before! The items they sell also tend to match their ability. For example, Stormslayer sells a lightning crystal. Page sells a book (tome of knowledge), and so on. Thanks for the other comments too though. I can see you really played it +rep for the time you spent with my map. Thank you. I'm working on something else right now, I think has more promise. Should I make the fixes you mentioned? Do people really want to play this map? My next map is the same races but in a darker setting. Also the camera will be optional but if you use it, it boosts your heroes attributes. This way you can switch back and forth easier.

That damn BE Blacksmith. The BE Fordge is in the object editor, and has the proper upgrades, I swear I fixed that like 5 times.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Frankly, if it was a more hero-centric map I could see the camera being more useful. But since this is an altered melee, it becomes useless in combat since you end up clicking on the wrong units or telling your heroes to move to the wrong place, if a unit is stuck you can't tell where (I lost a hero that way)... Maybe if you limited it to heroes only instead of regular units.

As for the items, well, I suppose it'll take a good deal of balancing. Somehow I don't feel the possibility of 3+ chain lightnings in a row to be very fair (I mean, sure, I'd use it against the computer, but humans complain more).

I'm not quite sure what you mean by darker setting. What I think you should do is implement an AI for all races.

 

[Legal_Ease]

Frankly, if it was a more hero-centric map I could see the camera being more useful. But since this is an altered melee, it becomes useless in combat since you end up clicking on the wrong units or telling your heroes to move to the wrong place, if a unit is stuck you can't tell where (I lost a hero that way)... Maybe if you limited it to heroes only instead of regular units.

As for the items, well, I suppose it'll take a good deal of balancing. Somehow I don't feel the possibility of 3+ chain lightnings in a row to be very fair (I mean, sure, I'd use it against the computer, but humans complain more).

I'm not quite sure what you mean by darker setting. What I think you should do is implement an AI for all races.

Dear Mr. Cleavinghammer,
You are very critical, but for some reason I love it. I'm not sure if its because you are tactful or because your points are right on the mark. I agree with everything you say and appreciate the advice. Many of the things you mentioned I have addressed in my newer version. haha, I love the quote "humans complain more." I really like the economy and group unit control strategy elemts to standard wc3 gamplay and I don't want to lose them altogether. I am moving in the direction of a hero-centric style game with this next release. I am trying to work on creating some auto-spawning dota-esk buildings to add some automation to the game, but I don't want to lose elements such as choice of build order and harvesting resources.

What do you mean about 3+ chain lightnings? I agree that would be OP, but how could any race obtain this ability? Also, do you have any suggestions for a good AI tutorial? I know nothing about AI, needless to say. However, I do learn quickly and would like to put it in the next edition.

Darker setting. I mean, it has a graveyard feel. Dark, wet, and cold. Also, the naval aspect is getting pulled for terrain and file size reasons. Would you like to see it? I would be very grateful for your input and would give you credit for map-testing. +rep. thank you,
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[Legal_Ease]

Great terrain , good races all good.

[EDIT] : this played well on my laptop, but on my desktop it crashed after loading. T^T

Thank you for testing it out!

Does anyone know why this is happening? Is it a RAM issue? Internet speed issue? I would like to fix it.

 

[Legal_Ease]

Awesome.

Edit: Review emerges.

Races are a bit balanced, I should say. But bad models(like the mounted archers) ruined the gameplay a bit. The screenshot only motivates people a bit to play the game because it is only done in paint. Use Photoshop or temporarily place those units together.

Rating: 3/5 Fine

Mounted Archer? Do you mean the hero model? What's wrong with her? The huntress skin, I messed up a little trying to shrink the file size, I lost an alpha channel.

Re: Paint - I actually did place the units together but then I thought it would look cool to squeeze them in and arrange snapshots. Well, I guess thats a fail. Oh well, I can try to make a better cover piece of cover art. Do you have any suggestions for free/open-source software? I can't afford Adobe Photoshop.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Well, you have a unit that can produce a Thunderlizard Diamond cheaply enough and can cast Chain Lightning, and you can have three heroes. 4+ right there. Admittedly, it isn't cheap, but the potential is there. By comparison, the dwarf item is four times the cost for an infinite town portal scroll.

I experienced a crash too, the first time I tried to play with all slots filled. On all following games, I put myself as sole player and experienced no crashes.

Unfortunately, AI-wise I can do nothing but point you to the tutorial section and hope you'll find something there.

As for the models used, I guess most are good (though I'm certain there's a better choice that Arthas for BE paladin). I take issue with the icon for BE archers, which is clearly a mage.

 

[Vinz]

Speaking of software, you can use GIMP, it's free and has some functions of Photoshop.

 

[Legal_Ease]

Ok, I can't give you guys any more +reps. It won't let me.

@cleavinghammer;
I hate the Arthas model too. I think maybe, I'll just pull it. No file space to add anything more.

I had a crash as well, on bnet. What causes thins?

The archer icon, I thought looked like a Ranger, but I concede I'm no expert. I'm flattered that some one took the time to find these details. I will review this thread before finalizing the new edition.

@EliTe;
Thank you! I loved photoshop when I had use of it for free, its been years. I will update the art here.

Would either of you be interested in checking out the "beta" (in progress) version I'm working on now? or maybe playing it on Bnet to test it when the time comes?

 

[Twilight]

Comment

Map is epic, nice video, love it.
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Rating:
5/5

Terrain

Terrain is very good.
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Rating:
5/5

Gameplay

Nice gameplay, the camera triggers, rock, very neat map
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Rating:
5/5

Final Rating:

Terrain:5/5
Gameplay:5/5
Comment:5/5

FINAL RATING:
5/5 - EPIC MAP

Suggestions
-No suggestions

 

[Legal_Ease]

Thanks Twilight! I thought the camera was a little buggy. Its greatly improved on my next map White River Valley (camera turns on and off with arrow keys) and then even better on The High Road - AoS (camera turns on and off with ability). The non-camera version of this map is available as well (see first comment). If anyone wants, I can import the THR-AoS camera system into this map and update it. So far no one has asked.

 

[luispereira]

kalimdor Islands default camera doesn´t work with patch 1.26a for some reason ( when i try to play it the file doesn´t show up in the maps inside the game , but it´s on the maps folder of warcraft III )

 

[Legal_Ease]

Does, the normal version work? It should be open / non-optimized. Feel free to edit it and remove the camera system. It should be a trigger called "camera system." Just delete it.