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Ah. Yeah, I thought you just said "making out". But still, those two men are not naked, at least not as far as we know.
Having shirt off does not count as "naked" at least not for men in my country. It's called being "shirtless".
If I had a picture of two people fingering eachother, but didn't show genetalia, or their hands, I'd be asked to take it down because it's sexual content. Two people naked, engaging eachother should just be considered sexual content for simplicities' sake. If you have a picture of you and your girl/boyfriend sharing a kiss in public, that's fine, go ahead.
This is fucking ridiculous that you people are still obsessing over it. You're being petty and obnoxious, and doing exactly what that fuck with the avatar in question wants.
You don't, however, see two naked people making out in public.
in Islam kissing or holding hands or hugging to an opposite gender is allowed only after they marry each other.
I also left thread long time ago (about two months ago) and still do not get why are people fighting, but I have to come back just to ask you this, since you are mentioning it:What the... this is still going on after I unsubscribed?
Can we do this already? And how? Excuse me for my ignorance if it existed meanwhile by I somehow missed it.I thought you reached a compromise from the poll. The avatars can be allowed only if users are able to block them if they wish.
Can we do this already? And how? Excuse me for my ignorance if it existed meanwhile by I somehow missed it.
Amendment: No Pornographic, Sexual, Vulgar, Obscene or Gory Content
Yea well that is completely invalid here since they are both same gender. So what is your point?
Also we can't set the rules by the most strict religions/cultures. Otherwise everything would be forbidden.
Also, this might be offensive but I have to say it anyway.
If we would ban/hide these pictures it would make it "good" for the people who do not want to see them for various reasons. On the other hand, if we hide them people who want to display them and possibly express themselves/their sexuality might get offended or feel silenced - it would make sexuality a tabu.
Sexuality is part of human nature and there is no reason to make it a tabu. If there is some reason that prevents you from accepting/allowing such images it does not mean every one else has this same reason. As already said in this very same thread there is already a way to block those pictures by yourself, Hive does not need to make a new system for that.
Personally I see no reason to ban that image, I can see such things in everyday life.
@Shadow Fury
The poll is inaccurate very few people who does not have any issues with the picture has found their way here, or are bothered to vote. People who have issues with that pictures (I think) have more chances to find their way here.
Edit:
@hiphop4eva
What is the point of that last sentence? "So I dont want to see Magthediron or whatevers avatar cause that is just bullshit."
The reason you think it's bullshit is because your parent's do not want you to see such things because the religion? Seriously?
You can't make a statement because some one else thinks so instead, make your own. "Be a voice. Not an echo."
If I would make statements (claim something to be bullshit) based on what my parents or some one else thinks I'd think that Islam, Middle-East, Russian, USA, Americans, Russians, sexual minorities, gaming, soap operas, reality tv etc. etc. are bullshit.
However, I make my own statements as I am independent human being. I have rights for my own opinions.
As Remixer already said, one cannot decide something of this kind just based on a few people voting for it.I see more people against these pictures (the poll already proves that), which means that most people think it is sexual/vulgar/obscene thus against the rules. We cannot ignore such a large part of the Hive. Power in numbers...
The poll is inaccurate very few people who does not have any issues with the picture has found their way here, or are bothered to vote. People who have issues with that pictures (I think) have more chances to find their way here.
Also, it's Ralle's decision in the end and if he doesn't want to change it then that's it. This is still his website.
It boils down to the same as anything else that people find offensive, distasteful, or simply annoying; keep it in relevant threads, and don't spill it everywhere else; just like political discussions, world events, ponies, beer, and everything else that appeals to some while being revolting to others.
I would be very surprised if this poll is going to be an argument to change anything about Hive.
We do not foster an environment for misinformed and fanatic people who think kissing
has a bad influence on children, further more, we do not foster an environment for
children. We foster a modding community for mature and creative people, people who
shouldn't necessarily be bothered by such tiny matters as this.
I'm 12 and my parents dont want me to see people kissing each other because in Islam kissing or holding hands or hugging to an opposite gender is allowed only after they marry each other. So I dont want to see Magthediron or whatevers avatar cause that is just bullshit.
I'm 12 and my parents dont want me to see people kissing each other because in Islam kissing or holding hands or hugging to an opposite gender is allowed only after they marry each other. So I dont want to see Magthediron or whatevers avatar cause that is just bullshit.
1) Magtheridon is a Muslim from Lebannon.
2) How do you know they aren't married?
Again, InfernalTater, your logic is lacking. We are not currently, to my knowledge,
prohibiting any avatars portraying your examples. So, by your very argument, neither
should the kissing avatar be prohibited.
The rest of my examples were not visually offensive, but rather verbally offensive, so they had nothing to do with avatars. I chose poor examples. But such topics as those I listed are restricted to places where they are relevant. Try posting too much about those things in the resource section. See what happens. Yeah, that's already covered by "off topic", however an off-topic post on a resouce containing a pony picture or a political argument is much more likely to be deleted than an off-topic post that is less aggrevating to members who dislike it.
I'm not arguing as to whether or not this content is offensive. Personally, I don't give a shit if I see two people kissing. But a lot of people do. Why make this place uncomfortable for them just so you can post sex pics? Can't you just post them where they're more welcome and relevant?
All I was arguing was whether or not this qualifies as sexual content, which it most certainly does, which the rules claim to prohibit.
How is it sexual content?
Sure, kissing can be considered part of sexuality, but so is hugging, saying certain phrases, gazing into some one's eyes, (the intercourse itself)...
I am pretty sure that the rule does not say everything that has any sexual hues or is sexual in some one must be banned or not allowed. I mean, come on! Unless it is overly sexual (the intercourse/genitalia are shown, or widely considered arousing) it's okay. This picture, it is two guys sharing a sign of love/sexuality, but it does not make it overly sexual or harmful.
If the rule means everything that can be considered sexual in some way must be banned a lot of things would be banned:
1. Hugs
2. Kisses
3. Holding hands
4. Wearing certain clothes
5. Flirty looks/deeds
... and so on.
As already said in this very same thread there is already a way to block those pictures by yourself, Hive does not need to make a new system for that.
How?
[offtopic]Not quite.Only to echo what has been told 1452860791 times before: install AdBlock Plus addon for browser -> right click on any image you want to block->choose Block Element(or smth like that, the one with the APB symbol next to it).
MasterHaosis, as I told (I think), since I too think there is sure people on each sides, however I think more on the positive side who did not vote, but either way, the poll is not accurate.
How to block the image
Man, so, dude... Where's your blog? I keep throwing money at the screen but nothing happens.![]()
And just like that, the storm began to pass. Leaving in it's wake many a disgruntled internet warrior.
It's funny how common that is in Internet arguments. Despite the utility of near-instant & perfect recall, we still founder off into side-arguments.Can anyone return this thread to it's core points and try to summarise the arguments so far? It seems to me like we've free-wheeled so far from what was being discussed 15 pages ago that people are now just arguing for the sake of arguing.
This.It's not sexual just because it's a kiss. It's sexual because of HOW they kissed. Just like a hug can be affectionate, or sexual (if you start groping).
They were shirtless, chest to chest, making out. That's sexual.
You can argue about whether or not it's too sexual, but to deny that it's sexual at all, is to be blind.
Well, I can't speak for others, but I lodge complaints about those, too. Also unnecessarily distracting; also inappropriate to the site's purpose.... Where's all the whine against all the other "intense" signatures and avatars? Some people have butt shaking ones yet there's no complaint to those? Grow up. =(
...Thanks for the Red Wall there, buddy.Quoting my self for the first time, like I already told, this way.
... who obviously ignore the comments that has the solution. Just wow.
Quoting my self for the first time, like I already told, this way.
You can block certain pictures using AdBlock so stop crying about how it's a national crisis that you have to suffer for seeing these "disturbing images"
If some one is keen to find a solution, he searches for it, one does not simply wait for some one else to point it out. Come on guys, it seems you did not even want to block the image, you just wanted that no one is allowed to use them as you did not search for the solution for yourself. What makes it even worse is that it has been mentioned in this thread various time before, are you just ignorant?
It has been referred/mentioned to:
Here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here. Do you really say you did not notice any of these posts? Like wow... I am out of here. I'm trying to speak to bunch of ignorant "readers" who obviously ignore the comments that has the solution. Just wow.
Should we all spam this thread with giant color text walls just because someone doesn't share our opinion?
yes.
@ash: on the anti-image side
- the content is sexual, and therefore inappropriate
- tolerating the image sets a precedence for trolling
- the image has nothing to do with the site's purpose
- god hates fags
on the terrorblade side
- the content isnt too sexual, and many images don't align with this site's purpose
- not tolerating the image sets a precedence for homophobia
- adblock can be used to block the image on an individual basis
- fag-haters gonna hate
i'm on the fence but leaning towards pro-image. i don't think the image is offensive enough to be worth censoring, but it's definitely sexual in nature and distracting. prohibition or no, it doesn't affect me since i've had settings to block all avatars & signatures turned on for a while
@people who complain about huge red text
Ever thought why I used it?
When there is over 20 posts that the solution to the problem is mentioned yet people still can't find it I figured out that these people might actually notice huge red letters. Normal text did not seem to be efficient, I figured out it's more efficient to once post huge red letters instead of constantly spamming how to fix the problem.
As you can see, this 12 year old (sorry can't recall his nickname) asked how do you block it, I posted 2 comments regarding how and he still asks how do you block it? As he thought no one told him.
The idea of the text was not to force anyone to think like I do, it's purpose was only to be more efficient to help people notice it and lead people to the posts that have the content they might be interested in (blocking the avatar).
Sorry, if I seemed offensive but I really didn't want to force anyone to do anything, but if something gets mentioned over 20 times in a thread and you still can't see it mentioned once, it tells me you are either ignoring the posts on purpose/trolling/not reading anything.
Instead of just sending him a PM...
You know what makes threads die out normally? Not continuously posting in it.In any case this thread ought to be closed.
Just for the record, 'no he doesn't'.- god hates fags
Remixer, why are you so nervous and spamming red wall? You can't stand someone else to have different opinion than you? I though we are liberal, everyone has right on opinion, not just one side.
InfernalTater suddenly does not have right to talk opposite as you think?
GOD.
HATES.
DIFFERENT THINGS.
Man, if a God exists, he is an asshole. You're free to believe in him and worship him, don't mind me. And don't be silly and take this personally.
I know Muslims who believe in God and follow his religion, but at the same time, they don't like him! Nowhere is it explicitly mentioned that you have to like God. You just have to respect him.
And damn, this is hilarious. I can't believe my avatar caused a shitstorm.
Come on, those men are attractive. Doesn't it feel satisfying to stare at them sensually kissing? No homo.
GOD.
HATES.
DIFFERENT THINGS.
Man, if a God exists, he is an asshole. You're free to believe in him and worship him, don't mind me. And don't be silly and take this personally.
I know Muslims who believe in God and follow his religion, but at the same time, they don't like him! Nowhere is it explicitly mentioned that you have to like God. You just have to respect him.
And damn, this is hilarious. I can't believe my avatar caused a shitstorm.
Come on, those men are attractive. Doesn't it feel satisfying to stare at them sensually kissing? No homo.
you cannot claim with so much certainty that all muslims do not like God
Me said:I know Muslims who believe in God and follow his religion
Me said:but at the same time, they don't like him
you cannot claim with so much certainty that all muslims do not like God. Are you God Himself to know what a human feels?