[Trigger] how to deal pure dmg

[Palaslayer]

how to deal pure damage or nearly pure dmg uneffected by armor, in gui...

plz tell me, cuz i dont know which damage and attack type fits those conditions

 

[TheBlooddancer]

Chaos damage, deals the exact same damage to all types.
But still depending on the armor. You use 'Armor-ignoring' damage for that.
But all triggered damage should be that.

 

[xD.Schurke]

no not all damage are doing this

in jass you can do it like this:

DAMAGE_TYPE_NORMAL -> doesn't ignore armor
DAMAGE_TYPE_UNIVERSAL -> ignores armor

 

[Igor_Z]

Unit - Cause your unit to damage the targeted unit of ability is being cast(or something) dealing X damage or type Chaos and Universal

Chaos damage deals full damage no mather the armor as long as u don't change something in the Game Constants/Interface... So I gues best solution is Chaos damage

 

[TheBlooddancer]

No.
Chaos deals full damage to all armor types.
But a guy with 100 armor, only gets a small part of it.
But it dosn't matter if its Fortified armor, or Hero armor.

It gives same damage to all, but is still lowered by Armor.

 

[Saishy]

No.
Chaos deals full damage to all armor types.
But a guy with 100 armor, only gets a small part of it.
But it dosn't matter if its Fortified armor, or Hero armor.

It gives same damage to all, but is still lowered by Armor.

I don't think it will be lowered by armor if its Chaos AND Universal
Chaos and normal would be.

Also, universal ignores magic invul but can't damage invulnerable units.

 

[Vegavak]

You can either edit the constants, or you can just use chaos.

 

[spiwn]

It has already been said:

no not all damage are doing this

in jass you can do it like this:

DAMAGE_TYPE_NORMAL -> doesn't ignore armor
DAMAGE_TYPE_UNIVERSAL -> ignores armor

 

[Saishy]

I'm doing a map that you can deal any combination of attack and damage types, with different units.

Its already done, just need to fix minors bugs in the system.
I think tomorrow I can post here.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Chaos and some random other damage atribute will do full damage always. Chaos and spell will do full damage normally but will be reduced by spell reductions and not damage spell immunes at all.

 

[spiwn]

Argh
Chaos damage is reduced by the reduction % you see when you hover over the armor of a unit.
The tooltip of chaos damage says it deals full damage against all armor types, meaning that the multiplier for all the other damage types is 1.00(the multiplier for different damage types(piercing, siege and etc) vs armor types(hero, fortified and etc).
So if you use universal or spirit link damage, and you deal 100 damage, the hp of the damaged unit will be reduced by 100.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

spiwn is right, chaos uses reduction.

UNIVERSAL IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

Sorry for caps, but it's the right answer.

Setting a units state is another option.

 

[Saishy]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/spells.php?id=h1kh21

Finished my system.
Version 0.1 ^^

 

[Rmx]

The best to deal pure damage is set life of the targeted unit to his life -(X)

Unit Life property Set life of (X) unit to Life of (X) unit -(Number what you want)

 

[Palaslayer]

that would not give the kill to the damaging unit

 

[Rmx]

Ahh i see the cause (X) to damage (Y) dealing (Z) [chaos] damage

Chaos deals 100% damage

 

[Cokemonkey11]

No, chaos ignores armor types but not armor values.

 

[Altazen]

Pure damage huh? yeah, best way is by setting the opponent's life. However if the target's life is lower than the supposed pure damage amount, then deal 9999999999999999999999999999999999 damage to it. That should work.

 

[xD.Schurke]

Pure damage huh? yeah, best way is by setting the opponent's life. However if the target's life is lower than the supposed pure damage amount, then deal 9999999999999999999999999999999999 damage to it. That should work.

thats not a good way, it's rly inefficient

 

[Eccho]

Using attack type spells and damage type unknown will not be penalized by armor reduction.

I do not now how it acts versus spell immunity and spell resistance, but conclusively since I guess this is for a spell trigger, it should be normal.

 

[doom_sheep]

try using "locust swarm". its the unit used in cryptlords ulti and ultis supposedly deal pure damage.

 

[Saishy]

Using attack type spells and damage type unknown will not be penalized by armor reduction.

I do not now how it acts versus spell immunity and spell resistance, but conclusively since I guess this is for a spell trigger, it should be normal.

You can test with my test map:

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/spells.php?id=h1kh21

 

[Altazen]

Well, you could try to calculate the damage so it increases as armor increases, with the excess damage being used so that the exact amount is dealt after reductions are applied.

 

[Dr Super Good]

... I thought this was solved?

 

[spiwn]

A couple of times
And years ago.

 

[Palaslayer]

yep. CAn someone close this thread?