HoW BETA Version 3.3.0a

[Titania]

Heres a tip:a good AoS is always balanced between spells and physical attacks,item's prices must be based from creep's rewards

 

[random.guy27]

You can't attack allied towers when they have more than 10% hitpoints left. Units though, can you kill anytime. Allied heroes are untargetable

I almost forgot to reply on this one.

That's just it.
You could target units anytime.
Try to think that many could abuse this and many would be outraged because of this.

Remember.
"What could be abused, WILL be abused"

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And I just want to remind you again that I have another Hero Remake for you...

[REMAKE] Frosty, the Frost Wolf =>>> Fenrir, the Alpha Lycan

Fenrir, the Alpha Lycan

Fenrir

Strength - 21 + 2.4
Agility - 19 + 2.2
Intelligence - 17 + 1.4

Learns Canine Impulse, Savage Glare, Feral Strike and Crush Claw

Attack range of 125
Movement speed of 300

HERO INFORMATION

Got the model here
Fenrir, the Alpha Lycan

Starting Hitpoints: 540 [120 + (Starting STR * 20)]
Starting Mana: 255 [Starting INT * 15]
Starting Damage: 51 - 57
Starting Armor: 2

HERO SKILLS

Got the icon here. It's from Wowwiki

Canine Impulse

Fenrir provokes his inner instinct and goes into a rage. Increase his attack speed but causes him to take extra damage. Last for 12 seconds

Level 1 - Increase attack speed by 20% but Fenrir takes 7% more damage.
Level 2 - Increase attack speed by 40% but Fenrir takes 11% more damage.
Level 3 - Increase attack speed by 60% but Fenrir takes 14% more damage.
Level 4 - Increase attack speed by 80% but Fenrir takes 17% more damage.
Level 5 - Increase attack speed by 100% but Fenrir takes 20% more damage.

In Depth Explanation
• Does not stack with other "Berserk"-based skills

Cooldown: 20 sec
Mana Cost: 40/50/60/70/80

Savage Glare

Fenrir let loose a terrifying gaze that greatly frightens a number of enemies in an area, causing their movement speed to be reduced by 15%, and causing their attacks to have a chance to miss.

Level 1 - Reduce their movement speed and a 15% chance to miss on attacks. Last for 5 seconds.
Level 2 - Reduce their movement speed and a 20% chance to miss on attacks. Last for 6 seconds.
Level 3 - Reduce their movement speed and a 25% chance to miss on attacks. Last for 7 seconds.
Level 4 - Reduce their movement speed and a 30% chance to miss on attacks. Last for 8 seconds.
Level 5 - Reduce their movement speed and a 35% chance to miss on attacks. Last for 9 seconds.

In Depth Explanation
• Casting Range is 400
• Area of Effect is 225

Cooldown: 12 sec
Mana Cost: 80

Feral Strike

Fenrir has a 15% chance to deal critical damage by releasing a deadly blow. Has a mini-stun.

Level 1 - Deals 1.5x normal damage and stun the target for 0.01 second
Level 2 - Deals 1.75x normal damage and stun the target for 0.1 second
Level 3 - Deals 2x normal damage and stun the target for 0.2 second
Level 4 - Deals 2.25x normal damage and stun the target for 0.3 second
Level 5 - Deals 2.5x normal damage and stun the target for 0.4 second

Crush Claw

With his mighty claws, he strikes the target with great force, dealing immense damage and also crushing the target's armor for a brief while. Last for 8 seconds

Level 1 - Deals 300 damage and reduces the target's armor by 4
Level 2 - Deals 400 damage and reduces the target's armor by 8
Level 3 - Deals 500 damage and reduces the target's armor by 12

In Depth Explanation
• Damage type: Physical
• Casting Range is 200
• Armor reduction takes place before any damage is done

Cooldown: 70/55/40 sec
Mana Cost: 125/175/225

 

[random.guy27]

Sorry. Double posted.

 

[lolreported]

Yeah. We may set a %limit on when you can attack an allied unit, I must talk to Drunken_Rider then. I've looked at your hero remake, it's actually the first hero remake of one of my heroes

In my opinion, this looks like a completely new hero and if this hero will be added, I will keep the Frost Wolf and make this hero as a new one.



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Edit 1 (02-10-2010): Patch 2.3.0a has been released!

BETA Version 2.3.0a

HoW Patch 2.3.0a (Thanks to random.guy27)

Heroes
Lord of Death (Plague Revenant)
> Renamed Lord of Death to "Plague Revenant".
> Fixed a new icon.

Crazy Scienceman (Mad Scientist)
> Renamed Crazy Scienceman to "Mad Scientist".

Ancient Living
> Fixed an issue with Power of the Ancient.

Death Archer
> Changed primary attribute from Intelligence to Agility.
> Changed start-agility from 17 to 22.
> Changed start-intelligence from 22 to 17.
> Remaked Cold Arrows into Marksmanship. (Being a skilled archer, her accuracy is phenomenal. Enemore will have a x% chance to deal extra damage on an attack that also will ignore her targets armor.)
> Shadow of Dispair will no longer reduce enemy units armor. Also the shadow will disappear when teleported to. Fear duration changed from 3/4/5 to 2/3/4.
> Fixed an issue with Arrow of Blood.
> Increased the cast range of Arrow of Blood from 800 to 1200.

Naga Emperor
> Fixed an issue with Sacrifice.

Mage of Regret
> Changed primary attribute from Agility to Intelligence.
> Changed start-agility from 24 to 18.
> Changed start-intelligence from 20 to 24.
> Remaked Magic Power into Essence Rip. (Cast a spell that slowly rips the bond between the physical and magical essences of an enemy. Deals damage over time for 3 seconds. After the said duration, the bond between the physical and magical essences of the enemy is completely rip, drastically slowing its movement speed and all nearby enemy units for 3 seconds.)
> Remaked Inner Power into Soul Torment. (Summon a malicious force at a targeted area that tortures not only the enemies' physical being, but their souls as well. All enemy units within the vicinity will take increasing damage over time. Lasts for 5 seconds.)
> Renamed Blindness to "Soul Eclipse" and sight range decrease changed from -575 to -400.

Rider
> Fixed a stun issue with Hammer of Battle.

King Guard
> Spike Shell now properly shows a buff icon.


New Heroes
> Re-maked Death Archer (25%)
> Re-maked Mage of Regret (75%)

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Edit 2 (02-10-2010): Patch 2.3.0b is uploaded, patchfix.

BETA Version 2.3.0b

HoW Patch 2.3.0b
> Re-uploaded the map, something went wrong with Patch 2.3.0a.

We've also taken new screenshots. I'll see when I'll upload them here.

 

[Icedrake]

Good to hear you've gotten most of those errors fixed Flood. I will be retesting the map soon, but I first need to find some time to do it.

 

[random.guy27]

Yeah. We may set a %limit on when you can attack an allied unit, I must talk to Drunken_Rider then. I've looked at your hero remake, it's actually the first hero remake of one of my heroes

In my opinion, this looks like a completely new hero and if this hero will be added, I will keep the Frost Wolf and make this hero as a new one.

If that's what you want, then fine.
But you might want to change Frosty's icon to this.

I got it here

OR

Let's just do some "Cosmetics" changes so we won't need that added MSI.
:NOTE:
I'll just make some "Cosmetics" changes in this one, and maybe some balancing OTW, so I won't be putting certain things like Attributes, Attack Range, HP, etc...

Frosty, the Frost Wolf => Duskwood. the Dark Wolf

Duskwood

Strength - ???
Agility - ???
Intelligence - ???

Learns Ominous Fangs, Forsaken Claws, Midnight Dash and Insanity Blow

Attack range of ???
Movement speed of 290

HERO INFORMATION

Duskwood, the Dark Wolf

Starting Hitpoints: [120 + (Starting HP * 20)]
Starting Mana: (Starting INT * 15)
Starting Damage: ???
Starting Armor: ???

HERO SKILLS

Ominous Fangs

Shadowfang bites the target, damaging it and inducing a vile energy that disables the target for 1.75 seconds.

Level 1 - Deals 70 damage
Level 2 - Deals 140 damage
Level 3 - Deals 210 damage
Level 4 - Deals 280 damage
Level 5 - Deals 350 damage

In Depth Explanation
• Damage type: Magical
• Casting Range is 200

Cooldown: 12 sec
Mana Cost: 100/110/120/130/140

Forsaken Claws

Shadowfang induces his claws with a dark matter that slows the movement speed and attack rate of anyone it touches.

Level 1 - Slows attack speed by 5% and movement speed by 8%.
Level 2 - Slows attack speed by 10% and movement speed by 16%.
Level 3 - Slows attack speed by 15% and movement speed by 24%.
Level 4 - Slows attack speed by 20% and movement speed by 32%.
Level 5 - Slows attack speed by 25% and movement speed by 40%.

In Depth Explanation
• Last for 1.5 seconds (Heroes & Ancients); 7 seconds (Non-Hero units)
• Forsaken Claws are Orb Effects and Buff Placers.
• The slow will not be increased by successive casts, only prolonged.

Cooldown: 0 sec
Mana Cost: 12

Midnight Dash

Release that vile nature within you, allowing you to run at maximum speed for a short moment of time.

Level 1 - Last for 2 seconds
Level 2 - Last for 2.75 seconds
Level 3 - Last for 3.5 seconds
Level 4 - Last for 4.25 seconds
Level 5 - Last for 5 seconds

Cooldown: 14/13/12/11/10 sec
Mana Cost: 25/35/45/55/65

Insanity Blow

With Shadowfang's corrupted soul and psychotic nature, he passively gain a chance to deal a part of his own STR as bonus damage to his next attack. Has a cooldown.

Level 1 - Deal 2x of your STR as bonus damage
Level 2 - Deal 2.5x of your STR as bonus damage
Level 3 - Deal 3x of your STR as bonus damage

In Depth Explanation
• Damage type: Physical

Cooldown: 18/14/10 sec

 

[Adiktuz]

@random.guy27: I think you got a typo there... you have 2 shadow path spells...

 

[lolreported]

@Vardix,
Nice to hear, I'll hope some sweet review then!

@random.guy27,
I like this "remake" of the Frost Wolf, those ability names seems to be a little more "well" made than the current one. The current frost wolf's abilities is named like "Frost Bite", "Frost Run", "Frost Execution" and it's a bit boring. Your's have some variation. But to the point. This map already have too much shadow themed heroes in my opinion. So if you wan't I'd like you to come up with new names for the abilities of current Frost Wolf? If you can't think of any I'll simple do this remake anyway. Thanks!

 

[random.guy27]

@Vardix,
Nice to hear, I'll hope some sweet review then!

@random.guy27,
I like this "remake" of the Frost Wolf, those ability names seems to be a little more "well" made than the current one. The current frost wolf's abilities is named like "Frost Bite", "Frost Run", "Frost Execution" and it's a bit boring. Your's have some variation. But to the point. This map already have too much shadow themed heroes in my opinion. So if you wan't I'd like you to come up with new names for the abilities of current Frost Wolf? If you can't think of any I'll simple do this remake anyway. Thanks!

His theme isn't exactly "Shadow", it's "Darkness" hence the title, "Dark Wolf"
Though they are near.

Maybe I'll just change his name and rename "Shadow Dash" so that I could remove the "Shadow" theme.

EDITED.
Just renamed him from "Shadowfang" to "Duskwood"
and renamed "Shadow Dash" to "Midnight Dash"

Is this any better?

 

[lolreported]

It's better But you can't get him frost/ice themed?


EDIT 1 (2010-10-03): We've added 17 new screenshots! You can view them at the main-description! Those are a lot better than the old ones, due we've changed a lot since the old ones. Added fog and such. Comments are appreciated, thanks.

 

[random.guy27]

I have some questions:

For Death Archer:

• Why didn't you made a full remake on her? Actually, I just tweaked her Ulti, so why did you only remade her 3rd skill?
Anubis Shot and Untamed Thirst are fine skills and has synergy with each other.

And there are flaws with her current skills, "Arrow of Blood" and "Death Blood"

♦ Arrow of Blood is a high-damage nuke, but it cost you, at most, 50% of your health. Enemore isn't a Tank, nor she has that much HP/survivability in her. She is a squishy AGI Hero. That's the flaw of this skill.
That why I made "Anubis Shot". It's a nuke w/ slow, that could also be an AoE nuke.

♦ Death Blood only has "Forced Synergy" with Arrow of Blood.
"Forced Synergy" is a term when one skill is COMPLETELY useless when one skill isn't learned and/or used.
This is the worst kind of synergy in a skill set, that's why we need to prevent these things. This is the flaw of this skill.
That's why I made "Untamed Thirst". It has its synergy with "Anubis Shot", due to its AoE damage, but not "Forced Synergy"

• And regarding 3rd Skill, Marksmanship. Why does it have a bonus damage? My original "Marksmanship" gives a chance to completely ignore her target's armor. "Ignore her target's armor" meaning treating the armor of her enemy as if it were 0. Meaning 0% armor reduction.
So, what's with the bonus damage?

For Dark Spirit:

Just thought of a remake and a skill tweak & balancing.

Totem of Nightfall

Nightmare summons a magical Totem that releases negative energy, damaging every enemy unit within the vicinity. The totem starts out releasing negative energy within 275 AoE, and slowly increases its range as time pass by. Last for 4 seconds.

Level 1 - Deals 40 damage per second.
Level 2 - Deals 55 damage per second.
Level 3 - Deals 70 damage per second.
Level 4 - Deals 85 damage per second.
Level 5 - Deals 100 damage per second.

In Depth Explanation
• Damage type: Magical
• Casting Range is 500
• Area of Effect start at 275, then expands by 75 per second (275>350>425>500)
• Total/Maximum damage is 160/220/280/340/400

Why the sudden balancing/tweaking?
• Because it is just a plain ward-summoning skill that deals imbalance/overpowered damage in a huge area (500)
• I did this to balance the skill and make it something beyond plain.

Cooldown: 25 sec
Mana Cost: 150

Got the icon here.

Dark Arrival

The Dark Spirit instantly teleport at a short distance. Upon arrival, he releases a dark energy that temporarily slows all nearby enemy units by 30% for 2 seconds.

Level 1 - 200 - 700 Range Teleportation
Level 2 - 200 - 850 Range Teleportation
Level 3 - 200 - 1000 Range Teleportation
Level 4 - 200 - 1150 Range Teleportation
Level 5 - 200 - 1300 Range Teleportation

In Depth Explanation
• Area of Effect (*Slow) is 225
• Most projectiles can be evaded if Dark Arrival is used before they collide.
• If targeted further away than the maximum distance, Nightmare will only teleport 80% of the maximum distance.

Why the sudden remake for Mana Burn?
• A simple Mana Burn that has no synergy with his skills nor his theme whatsoever VS a Blink-type skill that could help him in positioning and has synergy with his skills and his theme. Sound like we have a winner.

Cooldown: 18/16/14/12/10 sec
Mana Cost: 100

 

[lolreported]

@random.guy27,
I don't know why we didn't make a full remake, ask Drunken_Rider, but I can answer your Marksmanship question. Actually I didn't find out any way how to make this spell, so it had to be in this way. If you have any idea how to make it, tell me.

I'll let Drunken_Rider take a look at Totem of Nightfall.

 

[random.guy27]

@random.guy27,
I don't know why we didn't make a full remake, ask Drunken_Rider, but I can answer your Marksmanship question. Actually I didn't find out any way how to make this spell, so it had to be in this way. If you have any idea how to make it, tell me.

I'll let Drunken_Rider take a look at Totem of Nightfall.

How about instead of making the target's armor treat like it's 0, why not just make her attack deal Pure Damage, since we will still receive the same outcome. Could that be the solution?

And one question.
Where could you get that "Key of Time Jump" thing that you need for Flash Step???

 

[lolreported]

Yes, that's how I thought of it first, but the damage detection system doesn't work like that. Currently it only detects the damage DONE to an enemie (with armor reduction), not how much it should have been done without the armor. So I can't check how much damage should be done without armor and make her deal pure damage. When I come up with a solution that works I'll change marksmanship right away, but for now, it will have this little tweak.

About the key of time item, isn't it in the Banshee shop ("secret shop")? Or did I forgot to add it there when we remaked the items?

 

[Titania]

Yes, that's how I thought of it first, but the damage detection system doesn't work like that. Currently it only detects the damage DONE to an enemie (with armor reduction), not how much it should have been done without the armor. So I can't check how much damage should be done without armor and make her deal pure damage. When I come up with a solution that works I'll change marksmanship right away, but for now, it will have this little tweak.

About the key of time item, isn't it in the Banshee shop ("secret shop")? Or did I forgot to add it there when we remaked the items?

You should try seeking help

 

[lolreported]

Yep, I have a couple of questions that I need to have an answer for, but I'll post them when it's critical. As for now, we'll just create the necessary things for the map and THEN we'll fix all tweaks, less bugs and such. There's only 5 heroes left to fix if I don't remember wrong.

 

[DrUnKeN_RiDeR]

I have some questions:

For Death Archer:

I didnt give her any more new abilities because i kinda like her as she is right now, tho if more ppl complains about her i probably gonna make some changes.

And i think its important that i tell you that im not working to give heroes the perfect theme right now, im going to take my time on those things later.
Right now me and flood are working on making all the heroes work properly with abilities and everything and making the heroes fun to play, giving them some nice abilities, most of them may be hard to play at the beginning.
And some abilities may just be a little wierd right now but its still a beta so we will still add/change stuff we like and those things that ain't added is probably stuff we don't like for the moment or gets into the "maybe list".

But its still nice to get some feedback, will probably change the nightfall totem with expanding AoE.

 

[lolreported]

Patch 2.4.0a is done. It isn't many fixes, but contains two new heroes. You can check them here:

New hero: The Thing [Epicphail]

Strength: 23 (+2.7)
Agility: 16 (+1.6)
Intelligence: 18 (+1.35)
Range: Melee

Abilities:

Provides a 21% chance that an attack will stun an opponent for 1.5 second and dealing extra damage.

Allow Epicphail to burrow his tusks into the ground, causing them to impale all enemy units in a straight line, dealing damage and hurling enemy units into the air.

Allow Epicphail to slam himself forward to a targeted point, dealing damage to all enemy units in his way and stuns them.

Epicphail stomps the ground, cause a huge earthquake to appear. The earthquake will slow and damage all enemy units in a 275 AoE. The earthquake lasts for 10 seconds.

New hero: Unholy Warrior [Trew]

Strength: 24 (+2.7)
Agility: 14 (+1.4)
Intelligence: 18 (+1.7)
Range: Melee

Abilities:

Allow Trym to release an unholy taunt, forcing nearby enemy units to attack him.

As an unholy warrior, Trew has the unholy essence in his blood that increases his movementspeed and life regeneration rate.

Engulfs the unholy warrior in unholy flames, causing damage to nearby enemy units. |nDrains mana until deactivated.

Allow Trew to raise his sword and summon three mighty infernals for 20 seconds that will aid him. The infernals will be summoned from the air and fall to the ground and crush all enemies when they reach the ground, dealing 100 damage and stun for 1.5 second.

Open!

HoW Patch 2.4.0a

Heroes
Soldier of Narjz
> Summon Narjz damage will now completely ignore units armor and deal full damage.

Moon Devil
> Fixed some issues with Orb of the Moon.

Mage of Regret
> Corrected the multiboard icon.


New Heroes
> New hero: The Thing
> New hero: Unholy Warrior


Items
> Old Jewel of Wisdom now properly requires its recipe item to be created.
> Fixed the issue that you couldn't get a Über Sheep. This recipe now requires a Sheep[250] and a Über Sheep Recipe[250].

Bugs & Gameplay
> Reworked some of the terrain.

I'll upload this patch today, I'll just have to do some testings and small fixes first!

Edit 1: Okey, I've tested the map and fixed the last things, I'll upload the map in a couple of minutes
Edit 2: The new patch is uploaded! Download it right away! By the way, it's only four heroes left to fix and then all pre-made heroes are done!

 

[Eldubs]

I am not really into aos maps anyways, but this one is more balanced than dota.

 

[lolreported]

@Eldubs,
That's nice to hear!

I had nothing to do, so I remaked the loadingscreen and map-preview images! They turned out really good in my opinion. They are only WIP's and may be updated later! Also, the map size was reduced by 600kB! That's awesome!

Image: Loading Screen

Old Loading Screen

New Loading Screen

BETA Version 2.4.0b

HoW Patch 2.4.0b (Thanks to someone called "Karkan" for the image.)

> Created a new loading-screen picture.
> Created a new map-preview picture.
> Map size reduced with about 600kB.

 

[Icedrake]

Overall, map was pretty good. Nice terrain, heroes, and items. The creep upgrade system was nice, along with the special creep that each lane had. The tower abilities were also pretty interesting, I haven't seen that in many other AoS maps. I did find it a little bit confusing at first to see in general what items went good with what hero types. Maybe you should organize it, so that intelligence items are with one person, strength items with another, and agility items with another person. It would make things easier to find. I did find a few minor spelling/grammar errors (like when it gives the duel information and a few other areas), and on the hero selection screen, the word Strength is misspelled and there's two brackets around it. This doesn't exist once you choose a hero. You have definitely improved the grammar/spelling aspect of the map, so kudos to that. The loading screen was also quite blurry. Could you make it a little bit clearer? Also, are you guys planning on adding creep camps in the future?

Rating: Very nice map overall, just needs some more tweaking. 5/5 + rep.

 

[lolreported]

@Vardix,
Thanks for this awesome review!

We will do something about the items, make them more sorted and such, maybe in the way you said! About the spelling/grammar errors we do fix more and more with each update as I've said, but we do have to find them first Drunken_Rider said he has found a person that will check our grammar, so that's nice. The brackets is there for a purpose actually, it's the primary attribute of the hero, it may be a bit unclear, but I think we will color the main attribute in selection with a specific color.

What version of the map did you test? Because our latest version (2.4.0b), I did actually update the loading screen and the map preview images, they're a lot better now in my opinion!

The creep camps is just an idea, we'll see if we'll add it. I want it added, Drunken_Rider is still uncertain about this, so we'll see.

Thanks again, +rep

 

[Icedrake]

Oh, that explains things quite well. I tested the 2.3.0 versions, so I'll have to check out this new update to see the new loading screen. Looking forward to it. Once again, nice job w/ the map. Thanks for the rep as well.

 

[Chaos lord]

1st, change the sound files for the Unholy Warrior to EvilArthas, because the recent sound doesn't fit this hero: "For courage and honor!", "Light gives me strength"(surely an UNholy Warrior couldn't say that )

2nd, delete the feature that if you are less than 5 players that only-mid mod enables. For example, I wanna play alone and I am not content with this compulsory game mode.

 

[DrUnKeN_RiDeR]

1st, change the sound files for the Unholy Warrior to EvilArthas, because the recent sound doesn't fit this hero: "For courage and honor!", "Light gives me strength"(surely an UNholy Warrior couldn't say that )

2nd, delete the feature that if you are less than 5 players that only-mid mod enables. For example, I wanna play alone and I am not content with this compulsory game mode.

Hi, ye we forgot to change the voice on arthas hehe but that will be fixed in the next patch.

I will not remove the only mid feature with less than 5, i think its a nice thing so ppl don't forget to add it ( i myself have forgot it in dota sometimes).
And there is no reason to play with all lanes open with less than 5 players anyway, since there is no way to defend 3 lanes with a team that only have 2 players.

 

[random.guy27]

Some things to fix.

You know "Key of Time Jump"
We need to fix its Tooltip.
"You gain the ability to jump in time when worn"
???
This is not a spell. This is an item. You need to get straight to the point. And even if it were a spell, you still need to say what it actually does.

And I've made some rebalancing.
Changes are in GREEN

Key of Time Jump
Teleports the caster to a nearby location instantly. Maximum range is 1000

Cooldown: 19 seconds

Mana Cost: 75

Flash Step

+55 Movement Speed

+5 All Attribute

Flash Step (Active)

Flash Step
Teleports the caster to a nearby location instantly. Maximum range is 1000

Cooldown: 15 seconds

Mana Cost: 75

Why did I do such rebalancing?

First, the cooldown of Key of Time Jump is simply too high. I lowered it a bit from 21 to 19 seconds.

Second, I increased the Mana Cost of Key of Time Jump to 75 simply to remove the "Mana Cost difference" of Key of Time Jump and Flash Step.

Third, regarding Flash Step. Since Key of Time Jump is part of its recipe, it is also affected. I just lowered its cooldown because I just lowered the cooldown of Key of Time Jump

For the Secret Shop/Lost Soul:

I could hardly find the "Secret Shop/Lost Soul" when I first started testing the game. I didn't even know that it exists back then. This will be one problem with new players. Why not put a text above the model that tell that it is the "Secret Shop/Lost Soul"?

For the Corrupted Creep (Archer):

Why don't you use this in-game model instead?
This one is better than the current one. With the current one, once you click it and look at its portrait, you don't see her face properly, unlike the one in the Outcasts. And sometimes you will see her breast instead of her face, which is inappropriate.

For the Enchanted Scroll & Cloak of Shadows (Balance): "Changes are in GREEN"

Enchanted Scroll
Refresh the cooldowns of all your abilities and items

Cooldown: 200 seconds

Mana Cost: 275

Why did I do such rebalancing?

Two words. ABUSE and IMBALANCE

Think about it. You could refresh all of your Hero's Skills and Items every 90 seconds(!!!) FOR FREE!!!

See. This could cause imbalances with Heroes. It has the power to refresh every skill and item in your arsenal. This is the only way to balance it, giving it the highest Cooldown possible and a high Mana Cost.

And Cloak of Shadows

IT'S TOTALLY USELESS.
Who would stay in one place just to be invisible, especially in an AoS game???
And to top it off, it only works in the night... useless.
I suggest you just remove this highly overpriced priced item, and just give "Spirit World" a recipe, maybe at the cost of 1350.

PS. Also remake "Spirit World"'s recipe from Claws of Attack + War Flute of Speed + Cloack of Shadows (No recipe) TO War Axe + War Flute of Speed + Recipe (1350)

And some Visual Change for Items: (Icon & Name)

• Saevio

Saevio Got the icon here
- Change the icon to this because the current one doesn't really scream "ITEM" it's more of a Skill.
- Come on! It's recipe needs an Axe. Doesn't this make more sense?

• Light

Voodoo Staff
- "Light" doesn't actually have the ability to "Hex" someone. It makes no sense. That's why I changed it's name to "Voodoo Staff" and gave it an appropriate icon.

• Dark

Silencer
- "Dark" may not be the proper word to describe the item. That's why I changed it's name to "Silencer" and gave it an appropriate icon.

• Life Stone

Pendant of Health
- This is the one from the Melee maps, and it suits more than the current icon

• Mana Stone

Pendant of Mana
- This is the one from the Melee maps, and it suits more than the current icon

• Sormeza

Sormeza
- I can't even understand the current icon. This will be a better icon

• Death Wish

Death Wish
- Again, the current icon uses an icon that is meant for a skill, meaning inappropriate.
- And this icon looks like a staff that is able to shoot some deadly magic

• Hood of the Fel Stalker

Cloak of the Wanderer
- What could I say?...

• Dagger of Speed

Elvenwood Bow Got the icon here

• Bow of Disaster

Velox (*Velox is Latin for Swift/Quick/etc...) Got the icon here

• Staff of Wondering

Sapphire Staff

 

[DrUnKeN_RiDeR]

Hi, i could do some changes with the Key item, its an very old item that we have'nt touched since we released the first beta here on hive i think.

And about the lost soul shop, you said you didnt know it existed, well why do u think its called a secret shop?
Anyway, i have an idea how to fix those things with new players.

I wont change model with the archer, the portrait may not be perfect but its still ok imo and i like the model and think it looks better than the one ingame.

Thanks for feedback

 

[lolreported]

@random.guy27,
Thanks for a comment, as always! I'll let Drunken_Rider check through your comment and see what he want to chance/add.

 

[zadelim]

@Flood
hmm...You always make new hero. But those hero all are in unbalance state. Why not try to perfect them before making new? It will be better in game if got those hero balance

 

[lolreported]

@zadelim,
Yes, some of the heroes may be unbalanced and all the new heroes that are released may also be unbalanced, but not always. We had 54 heroes that was pre-made when the BETA was released and now we've released them one by one or two by two, etc. Now when all heroes soon are finished we can take more time to ALL heroes and make them more balanced and fix them to be better and more fun to play. Anyway, it's very hard to test all the heroes by our own, that's why we would need some more comments about the heroes, that could help us balance them. We're six people at the moment that test each un-released patch and trying to find as much bugs and unbalance as possible, but it now always we find those things, that why we want you to help us find them. Just to make the game better and more fun! Hope this answer is enought.

Edit: 2000 downloads!

 

[DrUnKeN_RiDeR]

For the Enchanted Scroll & Cloak of Shadows (Balance): "Changes are in GREEN"

Cloak of shadow may be a little overprised but its not THAT useless.
First: if you have that item and if its night, it could atleast save your life
Second: it could help you make an ambush on hostile heroes if used correct by a skilled player

So, it may not be the best of items but its not 100% useless.
Tho i may reduce the price

 

[random.guy27]

@ Flood.

Have you forgotten? I have a Suggestion for the Time King already.
Since he is 0% Done, why not just use my suggestion?

[REMAKE] Time King =>>> Aetas, the Eternal King

To tell you honestly, I've already seen his skills since I have recently used the cheat to make those unavailable Heroes become available.
Even though he is not released yet, I have already made a Hero Remake for him, because I couldn't see his theme, which is Time & Space.

And I've changed his Title from Time King =>>> Eternal King because I think it sounds more epic.

Small Fact. His new name, Aetas, is actually a Latin word meaning time

A little overview

Aetas

Strength - 16 + 1.8
Agility - 21 + 2.8
Intelligence - 15 + 1.5

Learns Time Vault, Blades of Time, Sphere of Age and Chronofield

Attack range of 100
Movement speed of 310

Affiliation: -
Role: DPS-Carry
Theme: Time & Space

Aetas, the Eternal King

Starting Hitpoints: 440
Starting Mana: 225
Starting Damage: 47-55
Starting Armor: 3

To know more about him, Click here to go to My blog

 

[MogulKahn]

I tried your map.Its good, I appreciate your work.But I dont like few things.
1.I dont like some of your spells. 65% spells are normal(boring) wc3 spells.
2.I dont like what I can pick all heroes.Maybe its better if you make heroes for "good" and "evil" side(we have -ap mode).
3.Maybe this map is to similar to "dota"?

 

[lolreported]

@random.guy27,
Yes, I know you've made a remake for him, but it's not my work to fix the heroes, it's Drunken_Rider and I don't know yet how he want the "Time King" to be. I don't know if he'll use your remake or some of your spells or nothing. We'll see how Drunken_Rider will do soon.



@MogulKahn,
1. You're wrong. 65% normal (boring?) wc3 spells is absolutely wrong. It's just what you think. I took the time to calculate how many triggered (our own custom spells) spells we have and how many normal ("boring") wc3 spells we have. And this is the answer:

We have 54 heroes. Each hero has 4 abilities (Attribute Bonus isn't included), this is a total of 216 abilities. I calculated how many triggered spells we have and the final number was 136 abilities. This is MORE than the normal wc3 spells. So actually we have 63% triggered spells (136/216 = 0,629 = 63%), and that's a huge difference from your answer

63% triggered spells
37% non-triggered spells


2. Why would it be better if we make the heroes with two different "teams"? Actually they are lost souls from the Ancient War that can be summoned by anyone.
3. I can't answer that question, I'm not a Dota player and if it is, it's up to everyone themselves on what they think.

 

[DrUnKeN_RiDeR]

I tried your map.Its good, I appreciate your work.But I dont like few things.
1.I dont like some of your spells. 65% spells are normal(boring) wc3 spells.
2.I dont like what I can pick all heroes.Maybe its better if you make heroes for "good" and "evil" side(we have -ap mode).
3.Maybe this map is to similar to "dota"?

I will not make an "Evil and "Good" side because i rly don't see any meaning with it. If you choose -ap you can pick all heroes anyway, if you choose -ar you'll get a random hero anyway and the other modes is not supporting your idea much more.

I don't think this map is so much like DotA except the gameplay, because if you mean that this map is similar to DotA just because its an AoS map then every AoS map is similar to DotA imo.
Anyway, we are soon gonna start working on a mode called -DtG (Damn the Gods)
its a survival mode and this mode will make our map unique compared to other AoS maps i belive, i hope so.

 

[MogulKahn]

Then delete -ap mode, because its useless!
And I am bored these days and if you need any help with icons/models/skins/testing/or something else, PM me !

 

[lolreported]

No, the -ap mode isn't useless. As you can see when the game starts there's already other planned game modes. Like basic -ar and such. So -ap do have to be there as an option.

Well, at the moment we need more people that can test the map in-game try to find as much bugs as possible, also, we need more feedback on gameplay and such.

 

[random.guy27]

The Forsaken (Comments)

I see your Hero "The Forsaken" and have some comments regarding him, more specifically his soon-to-be skills.

• Death Coil - Is this the one in the Melee maps? We'll soon see.

• Wave of Terror - You might want to change the name because some will just use this to compare this skill to DotA's Wave of Terror (Vengeful Spirit). I could think of a new name but I don't know a thing about the skill.

• Pulse of the Forsaken - I like it. From the icon to the name. We'll just see if its effect will be as good as its name and icon.

• Frostwyrm - Uhmm. I got lost here. This is kinda out-of-place since his first 3 skills focuses on Evil & Darkness, and not even one part of that gives us the idea of him having the ability of Ice. The Frostwyrm revolves more in the theme of Ice, therefore making it out-of-place.

I think that changing him to a Gargoyle would make much more sense, since he looks like a Vampire anyway, why not just make change into this Flying, vampire bat-looking menace.

If you don't like the model, there are still Skins and Models here in Hiveworkshop.
If can't think of any added skills for him, just consult me. But I might need to know what are the effects of his other skill to form synergy.

New Item:

Bowl of Replesnishment

Nothing special or new about this item. It's a simple regeneration item. I'm still not in the mood to give this item something special...

But if you want to check it out, Click here to go to My blog

And some Visual Change for Items: (Icon & Name)

• Saevio

Saevio Got the icon here
- Change the icon to this because the current one doesn't really scream "ITEM" it's more of a Skill.
- Come on! It's recipe needs an Axe. Doesn't this make more sense?

• Light

Voodoo Staff
- "Light" doesn't actually have the ability to "Hex" someone. It makes no sense. That's why I changed it's name to "Voodoo Staff" and gave it an appropriate icon.

• Dark

Silencer
- "Dark" may not be the proper word to describe the item. That's why I changed it's name to "Silencer" and gave it an appropriate icon.

• Life Stone

Pendant of Health
- This is the one from the Melee maps, and it suits more than the current icon

• Mana Stone

Pendant of Mana
- This is the one from the Melee maps, and it suits more than the current icon

• Sormeza

Sormeza
- I can't even understand the current icon. This will be a better icon

• Death Wish

Death Wish
- Again, the current icon uses an icon that is meant for a skill, meaning inappropriate.
- And this icon looks like a staff that is able to shoot some deadly magic

• Hood of the Fel Stalker

Cloak of the Wanderer
- What could I say?...

• Dagger of Speed

Elvenwood Bow Got the icon here

• Bow of Disaster

Velox (*Velox is Latin for Swift/Quick/etc...) Got the icon here

• Staff of Wondering

Sapphire Staff

• Soul Harvester

Soul Harvester Got the icon here

 

[DrUnKeN_RiDeR]

I liked your Gargoyle idea, i will change that instead of frostwyrm.

You said that we should change the name of Wave of Terror just because its an ability named like that in DotA, so u mean that if there is an ability named for example Growl in another AoS map i should'nt use that one either? I gotta say that i rly don't care.
And of top of that you tell me NOT to have the same names while you kinda much copy an item from dota as a suggestion into my map?
That Bowl of Replesnishment is almost a 100% copy of Bottle from DotA.

 

[random.guy27]

I liked your Gargoyle idea, i will change that instead of frostwyrm.

You said that we should change the name of Wave of Terror just because its an ability named like that in DotA, so u mean that if there is an ability named for example Growl in another AoS map i should'nt use that one either? I gotta say that i rly don't care.
And of top of that you tell me NOT to have the same names while you kinda much copy an item from dota as a suggestion into my map?
That Bowl of Replesnishment is almost a 100% copy of Bottle from DotA.

First, the Gargoyle thing - You're welcome

Second, the Wave of Terror. I also thought of that and point taken, but you really can't deny that there is that chance that they will use that small thing to prove that it is like DotA. Anyway, I could always change its name as soon as I know its effect.

Third, the Bowl of Replenishment, as I said, I'm still not in the mood to make it special and, if not totally, slightly different from DotA's Bottle. I just posted it there for me to not forget about it, and for others to know that I'm currently thinking of another regeneration item.

 

[lolreported]

@random.guy27,
I also like your gargoyle idea and I hope you can come out with some nice extra abilities to it


EDIT: The Forsaken has been updated.

 

[MogulKahn]

I think you can find a lot of good icons here.(wow icons) http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:WoW_Icons/Icon_List/Images

 

[lolreported]

Thanks for the link, but we won't use any wow icons. They don't have the same borders and such and I don't even know how it would look if I would try to convert an icon from there to a wc3 one. So we'll stick to hiveworkshop I think.

 

[MogulKahn]

Man, this icons are used in many maps !

 

[lolreported]

I don't really care if you use them in your maps, I don't want them in this map, because they got not the same borders and I don't know how they become inside wc3 when converted. Also they are there for WoW not Warcaft 3.

 

[MogulKahn]

Man I must said this, but you are stu*** like a rock !
No offense, please !

 

[random.guy27]

Man I must said this, but you are stu*** like a rock !
No offense, please !

How so MogulKahn?
EDITED. Nevermind. I found the answer

I don't really care if you use them in your maps, I don't want them in this map, because they got not the same borders and I don't know how they become inside wc3 when converted. Also they are there for WoW not Warcaft 3.

Flood, they are converted with the means of the "Button Manager" A software used to change icon borders. Here is the link for it.

There is another way to change borders and it is using this Website. But it is only for .png or .jpg files only.

And not that I'm proving a point or anything and no offense, but most Wow icons are better and more fitting than the ones here in Hiveworkshop and some icons here form Hives is actually from Wow.

Anyway.

Mervixines, the Forsaken =>>> Varimathras, the Forsaken Demon

Sorry if I have to change his name to Varimathras because Mervixines is just, well... Before that, "Where did you even get the name Mervixines?"

And I added Demon to his title. Now its "The Forsaken Demon" It sound more epic than just "The Forsaken"

Varimathras, the Forsaken Demon

Varimathras

Strength - 21 + 2.5
Agility - 17 + 2
Intelligence - 17 + 1.6

Learns Death Barrage, Tides of Darkness, Pulse of the Forsaken and Demonic Transformation

Attack range of 125
Movement speed of 290

ORIGINAL FORM

GARGOYLE FORM

HERO INFORMATION

Varimathras, the Forsaken Demon

Starting Hitpoints: 540 [120 + (Starting STR * 20)]
Starting Mana: 255 [Starting INT * 15]
Starting Damage: 49 - 58
Starting Armor: 3

HERO SKILLS

Got the Icon here. It's from Wowwiki

Death Barrage

Varimathras targets an enemy unit and afflict it with a dark energy. When Varimathras is near the affected unit, he is able to send out death coils that hits and damages affected unit every 0.4 second. The Debuff on the target last for 6 seconds

Level 1 - Each Death Coil deals 18 damage. Maximum of 8 releases
Level 2 - Each Death Coil deals 22 damage. Maximum of 9 releases
Level 3 - Each Death Coil deals 26 damage. Maximum of 10 releases
Level 4 - Each Death Coil deals 30 damage. Maximum of 11 releases
Level 5 - Each Death Coil deals 34 damage. Maximum of 12 releases

In Depth Explanation
• Damage type: Magical
• Area of Effect/Finding AoE is 425
• Casting Range is 375
• Death Coils can't be evaded by moving of blinking
• Death Coils can only hit units you have vision over.
• Maximum damage is 144/196/260/330/408

Cooldown: 15 sec
Mana Cost: 85/100/115/130/145

Tides of Darkness

Varimathras lets loose a wave of dreadful energy that terrorizes enemy units in a line. All affected units will have their armors and movement speed reduced. Last for 12 seconds

Level 1 - Reduce their armor by 2 and movement speed by 4%
Level 2 - Reduce their armor by 3 and movement speed by 6%
Level 3 - Reduce their armor by 4 and movement speed by 8%
Level 4 - Reduce their armor by 5 and movement speed by 10%
Level 5 - Reduce their armor by 6 and movement speed by 12%

In Depth Explanation
• Casting Range is 1200
• Area of Effect is 300
• The wave gives vision as it goes forward.
• The wave could travel a maximum of 1200 units

Cooldown: 15 sec
Mana Cost: 60

Pulse of the Forsaken

Mervixines can hear the heartbeat every Hero he faces. The less health the hero has, the faster its heartbeat will be. When a when a nearby enemy Hero reaches below 40% hp, Varimathras is able to sense the its location and gains additional movement speed.

Level 1 - Increases movement speed by 8%. Grants vision of the target. Area of Effect is 1600
Level 2 - Increases movement speed by 16%. Grants vision of the target. Area of Effect is 2200
Level 3 - Increases movement speed by 24%. Grants vision of the target. Area of Effect is 2800
Level 4 - Increases movement speed by 32%. Grants vision of the target. Area of Effect is 3400
Level 5 - Increases movement speed by 40%. Grants vision of the target. Area of Effect is 4000

In Depth Explanation
• Pulse of the Forsaken is not triggered by Illusions
• Invisible units will show up on the minimap, but won't be able to get targeted directly. If a target order (attack or spell) has been set on them before they go invisible, the order will be fulfilled. Units can also autoattack these invisible units.

Demonic Transformation

The blood of a demonic Gargoyle flows within his veins. He transforms into a powerful Gargoyle with extra hit points, and new abilities that helps him in different situations.

Level 1 - Transform into a powerful gargoyle, gaining 100 bonus HP and new abilities. Last for 16 seconds
Level 2 - Transform into a powerful gargoyle, gaining 200 bonus HP and new abilities. Last for 18 seconds
Level 3 - Transform into a powerful gargoyle, gaining 300 bonus HP and new abilities. Last for 20 seconds

In Depth Explanation
• No transformation time
• Varimathras is still considered as a ground unit while in this state

Cooldown: 80/65/50 sec
Mana Cost: 100/150/200

Gargoyle Flight

Varimathras soars in the air, giving him an obstructed vision and the ability to fly over objects. Last for 12 seconds or when Varimathras reverts back to his original form

In Depth Explanation
• Varimathras is considered a flying unit while in this state
• During this, Varimathras can fly above units, trees and impassable terrain.
• If duration ends when above impassable terrain, he can get stuck.

Cooldown: 20 sec
Mana Cost: 50

Got the icon here

Aerial Assault

From the skies, Varimathras forcibly dashes and swoops down at the target, damaging and stunning it for brief moment.

Level 1 - Deals 50 damage and stun for 1.5 second. Casting Range is 600
Level 2 - Deals 75 damage and stun for 1.75 second. Casting Range is 725
Level 3 - Deals 100 damage and stun for 2 seconds. Casting Range is 850

In Depth Explanation
• Damage type: Magical

Cooldown: 12 sec
Mana Cost: 75

Gazkri, the Living Dead

Just some visual/cosmetics changes.

• Change the Title to "Gazkri, the Ghoul of the Damned"

• Change Flesh Rip's icon to this.

Unparso, the Zombie Master

Just some visual/cosmetics changes.

• Change Unknown Liquid's name to "Venomous Pool" and its icon to this.

Got the icon here. It's from Wowwiki

• Change Infected Vomit's icon to this.

 

[lolreported]

@MogulKahn,
What makes me stupid if I don't want them in this map? Please...

@random.guy27,
Same to you, I don't want them in this map if it isn't extremely critical and I think Drunken_Rider is on my side. I don't want to take the time converting any WoW icons to make them fit with Warcraft 3, accept it or leave it.

I'll let Drunken_Rider check your changes about the Forsaken. Anyway, I like the name of "Death Barrage", but not the icon and this Death Barrage is currently planned to have a maximum number of released Death things, not a timer.

Everything seems fine and as said, I'll let Drunken_Rider take a look at it.

By the way, where did you get that passive icon for Flesh Rip? I searched in the World Editor for like 20 minutes without finding anything and I'm like 100% sure I've seen it anywhere...

 

[Titania]

The zombie seems to be over powered with his first skill...

 

[random.guy27]

I'll let Drunken_Rider check your changes about the Forsaken. Anyway, I like the name of "Death Barrage", but not the icon and this Death Barrage is currently planned to have a maximum number of released Death things, not a timer.

Ok.
I just changed the icon.
Try checking it out.
And with the max. number of release thing. I'll try to make the necessary changes
EDITED
Updated my last post.