Hive's Member Populace

[MGCǂSpectre]

Well duh. before I joined I was surprised I could download models without needing to register. Make it a requirement to register and be logged in to download anything and you will see how people will have no choice but to use their damn accounts.

 

[Boris_Spider]

i agree hive wont die :/ wont happend

Denial.

hive will never die if people will continue to support this awesome site...

If by people you mean ralle, then hive may never die. He can kill it at will, and his successor(s) will have that power as well. If Hive only has 15 or so active members it will be effectively dead.

//\\oo//\\

 

[Linaze]

I know of forums with less than a hundred active members that don't think of themselves as dead nor have any plans to shut down because of low activity. Hive has thousands of active members and you're worried, it's just silly.

 

[Ignitedstar]

Why don't we just ask the administrator of the site to give us the Hive's traffic statistics? I'm pretty sure you can grab information from the site somewhere. If we had that, there would be no doubt about anything.

 

[thelifelessone]

I used to be active in another forum

Which forum, if I may ask.

 

[Rui]

Why don't we just ask the administrator of the site to give us the Hive's traffic statistics? I'm pretty sure you can grab information from the site somewhere. If we had that, there would be no doubt about anything.

Good thought. I've been looking at a User Statistics bar chart which shows (I think, I'm not sure) daily active users. It's interesting.
Our peak of activity in the last two years was in July 28 of 2009, we had 2188 active users. It seems that our activity grows exponentially during June, and drops dramatically by the end of August. For example, we had 2013 active users on the 16th of August of 2010. The average of August is over 1900, until we face a drastic drop on August 24, 1524 active members (from 1828 the day before).
The next day, August 25 of 2010, the chart registers the moment of less activity in the last 2 years, 1272 active users. From thereon, the chart registers around 1500 active users each day, sometimes more, sometimes less, usually less than 1500.
Comparing a few homologous periods, on April of 2009 we have an average of 1700 active users (not calculated on paper or calculator, mind you, I'm just looking and estimating). On April of 2010, perhaps 1800 or more. On April of this year, 2011, an average of 1600, maybe less.

This tendency is maintained throughout other months. We have an average of 1500 active users while we had well over 1700 in 2010, so you were right, activity has indeed decreased. Also explains why people were complaining about 500 server errors during June last year (see "New Server") and Ralle had to upgrade two months after ("Server Maintenance"), which I already mentioned (I just didn't look at the date).

 

[Ignitedstar]

Excuse me, but how is "active user" defined? It's a pretty big significance if an active user is considered someone who logs in every day or posts something reasonable in the forums everyday (which also means they are logged in).

 

[Rui]

That is actually a good question. The bottom bar says we have over 5 thousand active users, meaning either the charts showed me active users on a daily basis and the bottom bar displays them on a weekly or monthly basis, or the user activity does not show active users, maybe just users who log in at least once (are these active users?).
Your question is very pertinent, but the only thread on vBulletin I found regarding it was this one. I'm going to have to look into Admin CP later.

I'm going to keep looking into that. Meanwhile, here are the tables for the number of new posts on a monthly scope.

January 32.342 February 44.265 March 47.983 April 54.521 May 56.225 June 67.706 July 68.462 August 62.157 September 49.384 October 47.525 November 40.202 December 44.342

January 46.859 February 41.574 March 48.495 April 52.296 May 45.419 June 45.082 July 47.779 August 48.370 September 42.330 October 37.691 November 42.769 December 49.884

January 45.249 February 38.419 March 38.687 April 36.123 May 34.273 June 36.135 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

This data also seems to corroborate the theory that our activity has decreased.

 

[mckill2009]

schooldays, real life and new games maybe the cause of hive's depletion...if only blizzard updates WC3 engine...

 

[Asomath]

For those of you who understand better visually, here's a quick graph I made in Excell.

Simple fact is that, yes, activity is declining. But the question that has to be posed to the community, the administrative group included, is whether or not this steady downhill trend is a problem worth fixing. Also whether or not the community has the patience, or even the resources to fix it.

Now, I'm sure there is a group of people who say "No" that the Hive has had its time, and should be perfectly ok handing the spotlight of the modding scene over to a new site such as Starcraft II mapster. Me personally, I believe that the Hive should strive to update its image, making efforts to re-unify that heart of community that once beat strong at the center of the Hive.

If the Hive wants to remain a major player on the modding scene, it needs to make moves to innovate itself, relatively quickly, while Starcraft II has only been out for a year, while modding has only just begun, and while there are still plenty of frontiers to explore.

~Asomath

 

[Magtheridon96]

This data also seems to corroborate the theory that our activity has decreased.

OR people in the past used to double post a lot

 

[Bugz]

That is actually a good question. The bottom bar says we have over 5 thousand active users, meaning either the charts showed me active users on a daily basis and the bottom bar displays them on a weekly or monthly basis, or the user activity does not show active users, maybe just users who log in at least once (are these active users?).
Your question is very pertinent, but the only thread on vBulletin I found regarding it was this one. I'm going to have to look into Admin CP later.

I'm going to keep looking into that. Meanwhile, here are the tables for the number of new posts on a monthly scope.

January 32.342 February 44.265 March 47.983 April 54.521 May 56.225 June 67.706 July 68.462 August 62.157 September 49.384 October 47.525 November 40.202 December 44.342

January 46.859 February 41.574 March 48.495 April 52.296 May 45.419 June 45.082 July 47.779 August 48.370 September 42.330 October 37.691 November 42.769 December 49.884

January 45.249 February 38.419 March 38.687 April 36.123 May 34.273 June 36.135 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

This data also seems to corroborate the theory that our activity has decreased.

Hmm a think might be that people gets more or less online due to holidays? school exams and so on.., i dont believe that its such a big issue when we are around the big numbers.

 

[Rui]

For those of you who understand better visually, here's a quick graph I made in Excell.

(...)

If the Hive wants to remain a major player on the modding scene, it needs to make moves to innovate itself, relatively quickly, while Starcraft II has only been out for a year, while modding has only just begun, and while there are still plenty of frontiers to explore.

~Asomath

Thanks for the graphic, I couldn't bother making it myself.
The problem is we're not sure how to make that innovative move. Blizzard has not made things particularly easy for us; for one, they did not release their art tools yet, and on another hand, to my knowledge, they have not published any official information regarding how mods work. There are a few here who believe the website will be more active once their art tools come out. I'm hoping so too, but unfortunately, we'll have to wait.
I'm taking in suggestions, though, so, if you have one, let us know.

Hmm a think might be that people gets more or less online due to holidays? school exams and so on.., i dont believe that its such a big issue when we are around the big numbers.

Yes, this is most likely why the website's activity seems to grow during the Summer and then drop, but if you compare homologous periods of time, you'll notice that all months of 2011 except January present lower numbers, June being the most worrying (thus far). 67 thousand in 2009, 45 thousand in 2009, down to only 36 thousand in 2011.

 

[Bugz]

it might be a bad year? we really cant match all users up, because they are alot of reason, also different kind of groups:

Grown ups: 16+ ( need to study, and work )
Kids: Theyre parents decide, and due to the big economy issue that many have faced, its not sure that people all over earth still have money to buy games and play computer, many some people have to work :/

 

[LordDz]

You have 5 pages of replies in two days and you call the site dead?

 

[Linaze]

You have 5 pages of replies in two days and you call the site dead?

/thread

 

[Bugz]

You have 5 pages of replies in two days and you call the site dead?

simple math fifty thousand members, a Active and important thread that everyone should read. 66 reply's

now you only need to figure out the percent to see why that's a bad statistic

 

[Bribe]

important thread that everyone should read.

Definitely not important, and definitely not a "must read".

Visit the WarIII modding sections more often to clean your
mind of this rubbish. Activity there is flowing faster than it can
be moderated.

Also, compare the activity to other WarIII sites. We are the best.

 

[Bugz]

Also, compare the activity to other WarIII sites. We are the best.

i never said it wasnt :/ it is absolut the best site... :/ but we could get the 1 time members to come some more :/ maybe turn the thread to how to get them more active ?

 

[Bribe]

Monetary prizes would turn some heads. I think this place got
a lot of activity back in the starcraft 2 beta days when we held
contests for beta keys.

 

[Bugz]

i like that idear, lets keep it up, we might could bring alot of them back :3

 

[Asomath]

Visit the WarIII modding sections more often to clean your
mind of this rubbish. Activity there is flowing faster than it can
be moderated.

Also, compare the activity to other WarIII sites. We are the best.

It's no question that we remain, as we have been, the number one Warcraft III site. Holding that spot is why just a couple of years ago, when Warcraft was the most recent Blizzard RTS, our activity was so high compared to what it is now.

However, now, with more people making the switch to explore the abilities of the Galaxy Editor, a portion of the Hive community has moved to a better location for their exploration.

We've really got to make the moves to innovate the Hive to accomodate the new generation of map editing. However as Rui says:

The problem is we're not sure how to make that innovative move. Blizzard has not made things particularly easy for us; for one, they did not release their art tools yet, and on another hand, to my knowledge, they have not published any official information regarding how mods work. There are a few here who believe the website will be more active once their art tools come out. I'm hoping so too, but unfortunately, we'll have to wait.

I'm taking in suggestions, though, so, if you have one, let us know.

Perhaps the last line warrants its own thread, as the original purpose of this thread has been filled?

~Asomath

 

[Magtheridon96]

This place was more active back when TWIF was donating money

 

[Nuclear]

If you are worried about Hive's future, then run! Go make Hive exclusive sc2 resources!

 

[mckill2009]

WC3 will never die coz people like me loves to code...I even have more fun of coding than playing the game!...

 

[Bugz]

I dont even play a game now a days, world editor all day long!

 

[RiotZ]

The SC2 forums are completely dead.
And WC3 is dead in general, lmao.
Other than DotA, of course.

WC3 is not dead. There are numerous active clans and players, nor is The Hive Workshop dead, your statement is based on a logical fallacy.

Starcraft II modding should stimulate the community, maybe not immediately, but slowly.

 

[GhostThruster]

Wc3 is gone. True story.

 

[Bugz]

Wc3 is gone. True story.

Yh agree, wc3 isnt what it used to be

 

[Bribe]

Wc3 is gone. True story.

That's quite interesting considering it's not.

To me, StarCraft 2 is gone. I'm not going to pay hundreds to upgrade
my computer just so I can play this one game.

 

[Skycraft]

Wc3 isn't gone yet.
It still has a few years left in it.

 

[mckill2009]

SC2 will not be as successful as WC3, that's a fact!...

 

[Bribe]

SC2 came out about 3 or 4 years too late for me. Those were the days
when I was into heavy gaming and didn't care how much money I spent.

SC2 just doesn't have the same "it" factor for me that warcraft has. I
only played StarCraft based on recommendations of friends, but warcraft
was always a natural allure for me.

I bought WarCraft II around the time Battle.net came out, bought WC3
a month after RoC came out, then when WoW came out I thought it was
an April fools joke (lanky characters with cartoonish postures).

The only thing that might make me stop WC3 would be WC4. And since
I never cared about DotA LoL and HoN will not stop me either.

That's my rant for the day.

 

[-Peper-]

There will be a crisis on Hive when Warcraft III died out, because only few member mods SC2, and the other won't bother to play it.

 

[RiotZ]

SC2 came out about 3 or 4 years too late for me. Those were the days
when I was into heavy gaming and didn't care how much money I spent.

SC2 just doesn't have the same "it" factor for me that warcraft has. I
only played StarCraft based on recommendations of friends, but warcraft
was always a natural allure for me.

I bought WarCraft II around the time Battle.net came out, bought WC3
a month after RoC came out, then when WoW came out I thought it was
an April fools joke (lanky characters with cartoonish postures).

The only thing that might make me stop WC3 would be WC4. And since
I never cared about DotA LoL and HoN will not stop me either.

That's my rant for the day.

I agree. Not worth paying the money to upgrade the computer, and it's not worth paying the money for every campaign. There's still a lot to be done with WC3.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

SC2 will not be as successful as WC3, that's a fact!...

It already is - see how many players from war3 and scbw moved to it (especially war3 players), unless you have a bad PC, people who have been with an old game like to move on after 7 years. In most cases people stay at old games because they can't afford newer PC. But you are only talking about the modding part which is also wrong as it is already progressing fast. There may be no sc2 life here but look at other sites.

 

[Bribe]

I think it's because the Starcraft theme is painful on the eyes, it is too dark.

 

[GhostThruster]

Agreed, it is painful in the eyes

That's quite interesting considering it's not.

No no no, let me clarify things; I wasn't including the 500 DotA players.

 

[mckill2009]

It already is - see how many players from war3 and scbw moved to it (especially war3 players), unless you have a bad PC, people who have been with an old game like to move on after 7 years. In most cases people stay at old games because they can't afford newer PC. But you are only talking about the modding part which is also wrong as it is already progressing fast. There may be no sc2 life here but look at other sites.

mehhh, my PC is fast enough to run SC2, I even bought the game but never installed it, idk why...my reason for staying WC3 is that I enjoy coding a lot...

 

[Ignitedstar]

mehhh, my PC is fast enough to run SC2, I even bought the game but never installed it, idk why...my reason for staying WC3 is that I enjoy coding a lot...

Same here. I remember Vexorian getting annoyed at the fact that Starcraft 2's programming language is not has lenient as Warcraft 3's. They did it on purpose-- probably mostly to avoid the potentially abusive bugs that generating user-made code can cause, but still... I can't honestly say that SC2's world editor is any better or worse, but from other people have told me it took a couple steps forward and a lot of steps backward.

 

[Deleted member 177737]

I also bought Sc2, yeah it was fun for a few hours and yeah I was tempted to try out the galaxy editor. When I tested out the GE it was way over developed, I couldn't even do the simplest of things such as making a new unit.
OFC some of the things included in the new editor would be awesome to have for WC3, but all-in-all the editor is just way to complex for me...

Anyways thats my two cents...

 

[Bugz]

I also bought Sc2, yeah it was fun for a few hours and yeah I was tempted to try out the galaxy editor. When I tested out the GE it was way over developed, I couldn't even do the simplest of things such as making a new unit.
OFC some of the things included in the new editor would be awesome to have for WC3, but all-in-all the editor is just way to complex for me...

Anyways thats my two cents...

I agree, i tryed the editor some different places, and i couldnt even do anything.. maybe if i took the time..

 

[Rispetto]

Holy sh*t this thread exploded LOL!

/posts thread
/posts second comment
/comes back
/page 7

GG.

 

[eubz]

Holy sh*t this thread exploded LOL!

/posts thread
/posts second comment
/comes back
/page 7

GG.

Yah, and its an explosion of the multitude of WC3 users and moders...

 

[Statharas]

I also bought Sc2, yeah it was fun for a few hours and yeah I was tempted to try out the galaxy editor. When I tested out the GE it was way over developed, I couldn't even do the simplest of things such as making a new unit.
OFC some of the things included in the new editor would be awesome to have for WC3, but all-in-all the editor is just way to complex for me...

Anyways thats my two cents...

I agree, i tryed the editor some different places, and i couldnt even do anything.. maybe if i took the time..

You need time to understand stuff. And as a matter of fact, in Wc3 you never created a new unit. You only based it off other units.

 

[Deleted member 177737]

You need time to understand stuff. And as a matter of fact, in Wc3 you never created a new unit. You only based it off other units.

No, you only base the basic form of your new unit off of a previous unit. I've created a new unit because I've changed or edited every single field on the list of things you can edit for a unit, therefore it is a new unit.

 

[RiotZ]

I recently started playing SC2 and... Well as Yayoi said here are my two cents...

Galaxy Editor is very cumbersome working with it is a pain in the ass. The level of complexity can be so good in so many ways, yet so painfully bad in so many other ways. The final product of GE is much better, but it's much harder to achieve a final product.

The gameplay seems to be a little stale, I don't get that feel I did from SC1... The campaign is nice and has a deepness to it, but I don't get much enjoyment from playing it, just finding the next link in the story. And the graphics are definitely good, but strain my computer pretty heavily... I do get a bit of enjoyment from SC2's gameplay but not as much as from SC1 and WC3.

Expect to see my new project coming soon... "SC2 - Death Corps"

 

[Jaret]

Members: 50,798, Active Members: 8,696

Those active members are what's important. The subtraction of the Active members from the actual whole number of Members is how much joined, but are not using the Hive anymore. In total, there's 42,102 users out there "dead". About 4.8415 times more "dead" people than active ones. But that is no wonder, since this site has stood for 7 years or so (since 2004). Many come, and many go. Many join, many leave.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

I see a bright future for Warcraft III though, it's just the beginning for Blizzard heh.

 

[Statharas]

No, you only base the basic form of your new unit off of a previous unit. I've created a new unit because I've changed or edited every single field on the list of things you can edit for a unit, therefore it is a new unit.

You are still copying it. You are not making stuff from the beginning, merely modifying a copy of an existing unity.