High-Res Battlecruiser

[Warhunter]

Hai! I'm looking for an high-res battlecruiser. From starcraft, just like this one. Just that I want an high-res. http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...-47611/?prev=search=battlecruiser&d=list&r=20
I also know that Callex need one to his Cruiser Command map. I can't say much about my project, because I just started it. But I think many people have use of this. The current battlecruiser is getting really ugly in big sizes.

 

[Fingolfin]

I'm working on this, so dont worry. It will be done in at least 2 weeks depending on how much time i have.

 

[Warhunter]

Great! Thanks alot!

EDIT: Could you possible add an attack that uses the Yamato Gun?
And make it like the SC2 Battlecruiser?

Battlecruiser Yamato Gun:

Battlecruiser Pictures

 

[Fingolfin]

I had thought of making it more like the one in the top picture, to make it more usefull as a generic spaceship and all, but perhaps i can add like an upgrade anim tag where it has the yamato. I think i will start on the mesh today, but i seriously have a lot to do, so i can't promise anything.
Thanks for the images by the way, that was helpful.

 

[Warhunter]

No problem, I can wait.

 

[Fingolfin]

I just wanted to write and say i haven't forgotten about your model. The mesh is nearly complete, and i will post wip's as soon as it's textured.

It will be a precise replica of the new sc2 battlecruiser model (the first of the pictures) and i'm going to include all the different upgrade modes as follows:
the Yamato gun, defensive matrix and missile pods upgrade.

It's going to kick ass.

 

[Angelusz]

Nice! I've requested this model more than once myself, would love to see it finally happening. I'll definitely be using it as well.

 

[Bloody_Turds]

theres a pretty high rez one, in project revolition
and a super high rez bottom of one, if your only looking up

 

[Angelusz]

True. However, project revolution doesn't freely share and just a bottom isn't always good enough. Add to that the fact that project revolution interprets models differently - they differ a lot from the SC1 models.

 

[Bloody_Turds]

they seemed pretty acurate to me... XD, either way its hard to tell exactly what blizzard meant by the sc2 units, as the sprites are rather small XD but eh

 

[Fingolfin]

Regardless, my model will be more useful for warcraft.
But project revolution has one awesome texture artist!

unfortunately, i can only work properly on weekends, but i'm still expecting this to be done before christmas. Consider it my present for you.

EDIT: i will also include an animation for when the cruiser upgrades, so that it wont just pop into a new ship.

 

[Fingolfin]

I've been kinda lazy/busy and haven't quite finished the skin yet, but just for teazors i can upload a WIP of the mesh:

Image

Note that it's not quite finished yet, and the "head" part is going to be reworked, but perhaps you'll get an idea on how it's going to turn out.

 

[Bloody_Turds]

looks nice although it looks like it may come with a price

 

[Warhunter]

It's awesome, it only looks a bit short. maybe you could increase the length betwean the wings and the "head" at the front of the ship. You know, the "barrel" betwean the "ship's big head" in front of the ship, and the backpart.

 

[Landmine]

The Battle cruiser looks nice. I'm looking for something to become a mobile space station, and I think I found the best of the best for the job.

 

[Fingolfin]

@Bloody_Turds: The model is currently about 200kb in size and will not grow larger. I still have to clean up many unseen polygons, add some, animate, texture, then compress and squish.
You can expect the whole thing to go for about 350kb.

 

[Angelusz]

@Bloody_Turds: The model is currently about 200kb in size and will not grow larger. I still have to clean up many unseen polygons, add some, animate, texture, then compress and squish.
You can expect the whole thing to go for about 350kb.

Which is - no offense - pretty huge.

 

[Fingolfin]

Well, since this is kind of a end-all-unit, i dont think you will be seing that many on the map at the same time. Also, this unit is going to have 3 different upgrade modes, so i dont think it's so bad!

The ghoul model is about 800 faces, this is about 2300. Three ghouls certailny wouldn't match the epicness of this unit.

 

[Warhunter]

Afterall. It's supposed to be an high res model, if you aren't changing that.

 

[Fingolfin]

Exactly. I think i will release the texture as 512x512, and you'll just decide yourselves wether you want to lower it to 256x256 for smaller file size.

 

[Angelusz]

Well, ofcourse, but then there's map filesize as well... pretty big for that too. Though - I admit, it's nice to have high quality.

 

[Fingolfin]

With the new 8mb filesize i dont think that's an issue.
Besides, i will compress it. Warcraft does a lot of compressing by itself in the map compilation too.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Oh my gosh, awesome! I'll also rep you when it's done because since long ago I'm using Max666's BC beta and I wanted to have BC, Medivac Dropship look like SC2 ones, as some kind of upgrade with time

I'd like to use that too, to GGfy the old looking BCruiser. Well made mesh btw. Honestly I think for such nice quality, you should be happy it is 200 KB and not more...As if it matters when you can have 8 MB map. 200KB imported model doesn't increase map size by 200KB. Oh I can't wait to have this

 

[Angelusz]

Yeah, I'll wait for the finished product - I sure am excited!

 

[Bloody_Turds]

think of all the minutes wasted for downloading it though >.<

350kb translates to about 10 secs with bnets download speed, figure atleast 6 people download the map per game (this should be enough to account seeders, and people with the map, if its 12 players, but doesnt take into account everyone who leaves cause the long DL) thats a minute.. per game
asuming your game is hosted atleast 24 times (averaging 10 players per host) ... thats 4 hours, of time, spent waiting on the battlecruiser (not to mention the rest of your map)

just because the map limit is now 8 meg, doesnt mean you should use it...
(i try to keep my maps under .5 mb)
I would suggest saving the 8 megs for campaign maps, and/or very popular maps that people will download on their own time from a server
just my opinion though , and if it enhances game play that much, it may be worth it.

even if this 4 hrs is spread out over 240 people, its still 4 hours wasted
in the end its up to you to decide if the resource is worth the wait though, and its up to your pupils to agree if the map is (and if so spread it)

 

[Fingolfin]

Keep in mind that the model only has to be downloaded once. After that, he map is saved in your warcraft directory. Second, the model is compressed to about 1/2-2/3 size after map compilation.
Third, you're assuming that each player has to download it one at a time, instead of all at the same time.
You should also not count the model size in total, but the ammount of size it excedes a normal warcraft model!
If someone needs a battlecruiser, they wont use the goblin zeppelin. They will take either some other custom model with about 200kb size, or they can use this.
My broadband supports up to about 200kb/s. That means this model is downloaded in less than 2 seconds, and then i have it. The difference of about 150kb is then downloaded in 3/4 sec. So it's up to you if you want to let people wait that long.

 

[Bloody_Turds]

I did keep that in mind, although its ONCE, per version... per player hence why my calculations said 6 downloads per game

 

[AngryRedMidget]

Mmm any chance you could tell me when ur done or if already maybe let me download it?
very tasty looking.

 

[Fingolfin]

Soon it's christmas break. That will give me lots of extra time.
I have now completed the meshes needed for the yamato gun upgrade and the missile pod upgrade. Defensive matrix will mostly be a texture difference.
The model is currently 215kb in size. To that i will add a few anims, texture and particles. I believe it will go below the expected 350kb, depending on how large you want the texture to be. Oficcial release will be in 512x512, due to the fact that it's called "high res BC". If you change it to 256 it will go down to half size though.

 

[Warhunter]

Great, you've earned a break. ^^
This would problaby be "Highly Recommended" by the mods.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Don't reduce the quality like to 100 KB model or so just because of DL time etc. Or upload the high res as well.

 

[Fingolfin]

Don't worry, i will do my best to combine low filesize with good quality.
I could upload some images of how the different upgrade modes look this saturday. With that you also ge tthe new updates to the "head" part.

 

[Warhunter]

I'm looking forward for the images.

Anyway, you could release the cruiser in medium quality texture, with low filesize. Then you could also release another skin for the cruiser with really high quality, for people that would like to use it in campaigns.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Defensive Matrix ON? It's just a geosphere. Now seriously, any enthusiast that wants to do the abilities of the BC? Like 90-100% accuracy with the actual SC2 abilities? I could do but I haven't even seen what the abilities are like, how the Yamato and the lasers look like, how the missiles are launched and look like, what damage and how many targets they do.

 

[Fingolfin]

I'm propably going to do most of the effects, like the missiles and maybe the yamato blast, i should be able to do the defensive matrix too. But it would be awesome if an sfx specialist like willthealmighty would do the yamato.

 

[Warhunter]

I could ask him to come over to this thread and take a look?

 

[D4RK_G4ND4LF]

could you make the sphere as a separate model? 8as a buff attachment or something)

anti magic shield of the banshees' isn't really it

rep of cause if you make it

 

[Warhunter]

Yay, WILL THE ALMIGHTY agree to help.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

This could be even a specific Spell Name Animation, if the matrix is added to an animation of the model it will increase the model size but not that much. It's just a geosphere. Modelers will decide.

I was actually asking about how these abilities will look like in the Object Editor and if someone has more accurate ideas to what it really is in SC2 BC

Yamato Gun - Firebolt with Firelord missile animation, 0.01s stun, 3s casting time, XX damage amount, buff animation removed - this doesnt do channeling, so not good enough.
DM: Manashield with 200 dmg absorbation
Missile Pod: Like cluster rockets but no stun buff, targets air? Well, Cluster rocket's won't fit. But WILL THE ALMIGHTY already has rockets.

 

[Fingolfin]

Dr super good has an excellent jass defensive matrix in one of his spellpacks, it works exactly like the regular defensive matrix and is very user friendly. Though ofcourse, i dont know wether the SC2 version is the same as the old one, or more like the mana shield.

In the event that i make a defensive matrix, wich is likely, i will release it as a separate model.
Do you want me to make a spell channel animation for the yamato gun? Or is it just spell slam? (I', talking about the anim name)

 

[Warhunter]

I think Slam would fit better.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Why not Spell Channel? XD

Missile Pod is clearly Cluster Rockets but I dont know which abilities is best for channel n fire for Yamato. Exactly so that it can display the channeling animation for few seconds before shooting.

 

[Just_Spectating]

animation - spell (or spell slam) can just be the firing of the yamato cannon, and animation - channel can just be it charging up

 

[Fingolfin]

Just spectating: i though of that, that way you can set the channel time yourself, and it will be easy to script the spell. I don't think TheTerran needs to worry, i might do jass spells for the different weapons once i'm finished.

 

[Warhunter]

So, how is the modelling going?

 

[Fingolfin]

Here's the progress right now:

It's in yamato gun mode. Some parts are white in the image since i had to apply materials to them to start making the texture layout.
This model includes so many details that i have to screenprint the wrap pieces and paste them into PS to puzzle them toghether so that i may use maximum space.
That piston inside will be replaced with the yamato core seen ingame later on.

 

[Warhunter]

That's just awesome. This is going to be popular, I know it.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Yeah sexeah! As if ripped from SC2, very detailed :>

 

[Warhunter]

so, when are it planned to be finnished?

 

[Fingolfin]

It's still TBD. Not before christmas eve, i can tell.