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Good day. Good people, I really want to play DDay Extreme v1.1 and v1.3b, remember my childhood, so to speak, but I have no idea which version of Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne I need. I tried everything. There are sooo many patches now!.. Does anyone have an installation file for the game specifically for these versions of maps... and a pack of old maps. If possible. Please, save a lost soul. I want to play - worse than it hurts. Thanks everyone in advance.
 
Hi. I'm not familiar with those maps but I see that there is a map here which appears to be halfway between the ones you are asking about:


When a map is uploaded to the Hive Workshop - as in the above - then it reads the game version used to make the map, which is stored inside the map. And so we can see that DDay Extreme 1.2b, which of course is neither of the ones you asked for, says right smack in the middle of the download page on Hive that the computers determined it was made for Warcraft III: Frozen Throne Patch 1.18.
Unfortunately, if DDay Extreme 1.2b is anything to go off of, the map was not only created for Patch 1.18, but unfortunately also uses an exploit that was removed from the game in 2009. I could explain the technical details, but basically in the age when Activision had just bought out Blizzard, in parallel with that happening it was discovered that a bug in Warcraft III allowed players to put low-level viruses into the maps that would take over any Windows computer that played the map. In a world where Activision Blizzard was focused on other products and wanted to do the bare minimum to keep Warcraft III running, they nuked a rather wide array of modding technology in the 2009 patch cycle. We can understand why -- they wanted to save us all from viruses. Nobody wants to join a game on Battle.net and then lose their computer to ransomware, or lose their bank account to keyloggers, only to have Blizzard then say, "Not our problem, any custom game you join on Battle.net can take over your computer, that's your fault."
In order to achieve the virus, the Warcraft 3 map would have to create a custom script that did type conversions on variables. Maybe that's all just jibberish to you, but you could imagine that when you go from United States to Canada and have to convert your United States dollars into Canada dollars, in a similar way sometimes data in the computer goes from one form to another form. The Trigger Editor was made for doing campaign missions and cinematic cut-scenes in-game, and other basic game world events, and not originally designed to be an all-purpose programming machine, so originally it had very little capability to "convert types." So, for lack of a better option, map makers found a bug for converting and used it in a whole bunch of maps for legitimate game features. For example, I just popped open DDay Extreme 1.2b -- again, it might not be the same version you are looking for, but it was something available here on Hive -- and inside of that map, there is an ability called Siphon Gold which is hacked into the game with a trigger (think "Trigger Editor") using this same kind of conversion.

But in 2009 they realized that converting allowed too many possibilities, including the virus possibility. So, DDay Extreme appears to want to convert a visual spell effect into its machine number used to keep track of it by the game engine, and maybe later convert that number back into the visual spell effect, so that it can do the Siphon Gold processing of the ability. But someone else had the idea of converting a computer subroutine - a "function" - into a number used to keep track of it, and to later convert a number back into a "function." And they used this to break apart the computer, and begin to run code outside of Warcraft III, and to launch command prompt, and to do malicious activities on the user computer.

From my somewhat limited understanding of the full problem, I know that what I see in DDay Extreme is not a virus. It is called Siphon Gold and it is probably actually an in-game feature for siphoning gold out of some type of game component. I have not analyzed further, so I do not know which game component.

But I think that because of this 2009 epoch, and specifically because DDay Extreme here was doing the kind of conversion that was removed from the game in a panic in its Siphon Gold ability and possibly other abilities (I didn't keep looking), your only options are:
  • Use a version of Warcraft III that is between 1.18 when this was made and 1.23 or so when the conversion "bug" was removed
  • Spend six months learning how to port this map forward to run on newer versions of Warcraft III in a very technical way that will probably break the map
  • Find a volunteer who can port the map forward quickly and easily because of their skills, but might be egotistical and hard to work with, or potentially unmotivated to help you

Out of all of these options, your best and simplest option is the first one. If you find a version of the game that is very old, and is capable of playing this kind of map, I still use some of those versions on my computer and they still run fine on Windows 10 and Windows 11, but only if the computer has never ever had Reforged installed. If the computer has ever had Reforged installed, then the Reforged will modify the computer registry so that the World Editor portion of the old game might not work. Probably the game itself would still work.

However, this situation is made worse by the fact that Patch 1.22 - Patch 1.23, around the time that Activision bought out Blizzard, was also the time when somebody at Blizzard had the bright idea to stop the game from requiring the Warcraft III CD to be in the CD-ROM drive in order to launch. Because of this, it might be more difficult for you to find a version of the game that launches in a standalone way without the CD in the CD-ROM drive, but which is also an old enough version of the game to play this map. I have a version that is exactly what would be needed on my computer, but if I recall what I think I did as a kid was to take the Patch 1.22 that was the version I wanted, and to basically dump the Patch 1.23 game launcher into that folder and create some hacked up hybrid, because probably Patch 1.23 removed the CD drive requirement but Patch 1.22 was old enough that it still supported the conversion code, which I enjoy to sometimes run for nostalgia, as long as I am extremely careful and well informed about which maps that I play so that I never get a computer virus from them.

So I know that what you want exists on Planet Earth, but unlike the Hive workshop I am not really cleared by Activision or whatever to have a random page with a bunch of game downloads, and I do not want Activision coming after me for providing a game download, so rather than to provide to you what I have I am more inclined to simply provide advice. I also can't tell you how to get what I have, because I got in in 2009 when it was live and have maintained a consistent personal computer backup since then of my own files, offline, independent from anybody's web sites. So when I play Patch 1.22, I am playing something from back then that I obtained from the official Blizzard Entertainment servers and patching system as it was then, rather than playing something that has an origin point online where we can download it. But I know because there are so many other maps from that era that fall into this same category, that if you had this version -- whatever it is that is on my computer -- it would work.

I don't often like to download bootleg versions of the game, even from Hive, because I have a difficult time to know whether I can trust the authenticity of the computer code that is being run. But, if I were in your shoes and if my computer backups were suddenly destroyed, I think what I would most likely due is to get my Warcraft III CD and use that to install Reign of Chaos and Frozen Throne both to the Windows 10 or 11 computer, using an external CD drive since I assume your computer does not have one, and then after the game had installed, I would head on over to the download archive here:

And using the Download archive, since there is not a page to download 1.22 directly, I would try to see if it was possible to download the Patch Installer section's 1.22 installer. I would not download from Hive or "MEGA" where people made their own shared versions of this, but instead I would try to download from the archive.org link, in the hopes that the archive is automated and is essentially providing an exact replica of the old Battle.net patch downloader page, which once upon a time provided a link to download all prior patches, even though obviously now we live in Reforged DRM universe where the forums are filled with whiny Mac users who say that last month's patch killed Reforged on mac and so now they can't play, and when they ask on the forums how to downgrade their game a forum troll gets on and tells them that in this wonderful, glorious future it's not possible to downgrade anything because it would be too difficult for Activision to offer downloads of old versions.

By contrast, Blizzard Entertainment was a company who did difficult things, so, back in those days they were OK with having an FTP download site with all the old versions. And that's why, if you can find the archive.org replica of the Blizzard Entertainment website, I think it's more trustworthy than Joe Bloke on the internet who says, "Hey buddy, I have your Warcraft III download right here! Just run this shady piece of software that I got, somehow, from somewhere!"

Unfortunately, after everything I just said, it appears that 1.22-1.23 are not available on the archive links, at least on the links that Hive provides. As I mentioned earlier I'm not in the habit of using this Hive download archive navigation page, so simply because I don't see something does not mean you are out of luck. You could certainly try Patch 1.18 through Patch 1.21b, and see if maybe it was actually 1.21b that removed the requirement for the CD, and maybe I was mis-remembering. In the worst case, if you end up on Patch 1.18 quite literally, it should still work. It's just annoying that you would need to use your physical CD in that case, whereas if you can get the version that I have -- which is basically late 1.22 or early 1.23 -- you can have a game folder that runs on any Windows machine without any CD, and that plays the map you are interested in, which obviously is much more convenient as a user to interact with.
 
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Hi. I'm not familiar with those maps but I see that there is a map here which appears to be halfway between the ones you are asking about:


When a map is uploaded to the Hive Workshop - as in the above - then it reads the game version used to make the map, which is stored inside the map. And so we can see that DDay Extreme 1.2b, which of course is neither of the ones you asked for, says right smack in the middle of the download page on Hive that the computers determined it was made for Warcraft III: Frozen Throne Patch 1.18.
Unfortunately, if DDay Extreme 1.2b is anything to go off of, the map was not only created for Patch 1.18, but unfortunately also uses an exploit that was removed from the game in 2009. I could explain the technical details, but basically in the age when Activision had just bought out Blizzard, in parallel with that happening it was discovered that a bug in Warcraft III allowed players to put low-level viruses into the maps that would take over any Windows computer that played the map. In a world where Activision Blizzard was focused on other products and wanted to do the bare minimum to keep Warcraft III running, they nuked a rather wide array of modding technology in the 2009 patch cycle. We can understand why -- they wanted to save us all from viruses. Nobody wants to join a game on Battle.net and then lose their computer to ransomware, or lose their bank account to keyloggers, only to have Blizzard then say, "Not our problem, any custom game you join on Battle.net can take over your computer, that's your fault."
In order to achieve the virus, the Warcraft 3 map would have to create a custom script that did type conversions on variables. Maybe that's all just jibberish to you, but you could imagine that when you go from United States to Canada and have to convert your United States dollars into Canada dollars, in a similar way sometimes data in the computer goes from one form to another form. The Trigger Editor was made for doing campaign missions and cinematic cut-scenes in-game, and other basic game world events, and not originally designed to be an all-purpose programming machine, so originally it had very little capability to "convert types." So, for lack of a better option, map makers found a bug for converting and used it in a whole bunch of maps for legitimate game features. For example, I just popped open DDay Extreme 1.2b -- again, it might not be the same version you are looking for, but it was something available here on Hive -- and inside of that map, there is an ability called Siphon Gold which is hacked into the game with a trigger (think "Trigger Editor") using this same kind of conversion.

But in 2009 they realized that converting allowed too many possibilities, including the virus possibility. So, DDay Extreme appears to want to convert a visual spell effect into its machine number used to keep track of it by the game engine, and maybe later convert that number back into the visual spell effect, so that it can do the Siphon Gold processing of the ability. But someone else had the idea of converting a computer subroutine - a "function" - into a number used to keep track of it, and to later convert a number back into a "function." And they used this to break apart the computer, and begin to run code outside of Warcraft III, and to launch command prompt, and to do malicious activities on the user computer.

From my somewhat limited understanding of the full problem, I know that what I see in DDay Extreme is not a virus. It is called Siphon Gold and it is probably actually an in-game feature for siphoning gold out of some type of game component. I have not analyzed further, so I do not know which game component.

But I think that because of this 2009 epoch, and specifically because DDay Extreme here was doing the kind of conversion that was removed from the game in a panic in its Siphon Gold ability and possibly other abilities (I didn't keep looking), your only options are:
  • Use a version of Warcraft III that is between 1.18 when this was made and 1.23 or so when the conversion "bug" was removed
  • Spend six months learning how to port this map forward to run on newer versions of Warcraft III in a very technical way that will probably break the map
  • Find a volunteer who can port the map forward quickly and easily because of their skills, but might be egotistical and hard to work with, or potentially unmotivated to help you

Out of all of these options, your best and simplest option is the first one. If you find a version of the game that is very old, and is capable of playing this kind of map, I still use some of those versions on my computer and they still run fine on Windows 10 and Windows 11, but only if the computer has never ever had Reforged installed. If the computer has ever had Reforged installed, then the Reforged will modify the computer registry so that the World Editor portion of the old game might not work. Probably the game itself would still work.

However, this situation is made worse by the fact that Patch 1.22 - Patch 1.23, around the time that Activision bought out Blizzard, was also the time when somebody at Blizzard had the bright idea to stop the game from requiring the Warcraft III CD to be in the CD-ROM drive in order to launch. Because of this, it might be more difficult for you to find a version of the game that launches in a standalone way without the CD in the CD-ROM drive, but which is also an old enough version of the game to play this map. I have a version that is exactly what would be needed on my computer, but if I recall what I think I did as a kid was to take the Patch 1.22 that was the version I wanted, and to basically dump the Patch 1.23 game launcher into that folder and create some hacked up hybrid, because probably Patch 1.23 removed the CD drive requirement but Patch 1.22 was old enough that it still supported the conversion code, which I enjoy to sometimes run for nostalgia, as long as I am extremely careful and well informed about which maps that I play so that I never get a computer virus from them.

So I know that what you want exists on Planet Earth, but unlike the Hive workshop I am not really cleared by Activision or whatever to have a random page with a bunch of game downloads, and I do not want Activision coming after me for providing a game download, so rather than to provide to you what I have I am more inclined to simply provide advice. I also can't tell you how to get what I have, because I got in in 2009 when it was live and have maintained a consistent personal computer backup since then of my own files, offline, independent from anybody's web sites. So when I play Patch 1.22, I am playing something from back then that I obtained from the official Blizzard Entertainment servers and patching system as it was then, rather than playing something that has an origin point online where we can download it. But I know because there are so many other maps from that era that fall into this same category, that if you had this version -- whatever it is that is on my computer -- it would work.

I don't often like to download bootleg versions of the game, even from Hive, because I have a difficult time to know whether I can trust the authenticity of the computer code that is being run. But, if I were in your shoes and if my computer backups were suddenly destroyed, I think what I would most likely due is to get my Warcraft III CD and use that to install Reign of Chaos and Frozen Throne both to the Windows 10 or 11 computer, using an external CD drive since I assume your computer does not have one, and then after the game had installed, I would head on over to the download archive here:

And using the Download archive, since there is not a page to download 1.22 directly, I would try to see if it was possible to download the Patch Installer section's 1.22 installer. I would not download from Hive or "MEGA" where people made their own shared versions of this, but instead I would try to download from the archive.org link, in the hopes that the archive is automated and is essentially providing an exact replica of the old Battle.net patch downloader page, which once upon a time provided a link to download all prior patches, even though obviously now we live in Reforged DRM universe where the forums are filled with whiny Mac users who say that last month's patch killed Reforged on mac and so now they can't play, and when they ask on the forums how to downgrade their game a forum troll gets on and tells them that in this wonderful, glorious future it's not possible to downgrade anything because it would be too difficult for Activision to offer downloads of old versions.

By contrast, Blizzard Entertainment was a company who did difficult things, so, back in those days they were OK with having an FTP download site with all the old versions. And that's why, if you can find the archive.org replica of the Blizzard Entertainment website, I think it's more trustworthy than Joe Bloke on the internet who says, "Hey buddy, I have your Warcraft III download right here! Just run this shady piece of software that I got, somehow, from somewhere!"

Unfortunately, after everything I just said, it appears that 1.22-1.23 are not available on the archive links, at least on the links that Hive provides. As I mentioned earlier I'm not in the habit of using this Hive download archive navigation page, so simply because I don't see something does not mean you are out of luck. You could certainly try Patch 1.18 through Patch 1.21b, and see if maybe it was actually 1.21b that removed the requirement for the CD, and maybe I was mis-remembering. In the worst case, if you end up on Patch 1.18 quite literally, it should still work. It's just annoying that you would need to use your physical CD in that case, whereas if you can get the version that I have -- which is basically late 1.22 or early 1.23 -- you can have a game folder that runs on any Windows machine without any CD, and that plays the map you are interested in, which obviously is much more convenient as a user to interact with.
Thank you for a very detailed answer. So, you need to use versions of warcraft 1.22 and 1.23 to run extreme 1.1 and 1.3b. And in order to use the set of patches you provided, you need a licensed Warcraft, which you will not find anywhere on the Internet. Did I understand everything correctly? By the way, I will not distribute information. It was very kind of you to give it to me. Thank you.
 
which you will not find anywhere on the Internet.
If you have literally nothing but memories and money, and you want to play an old patch such as 1.22 or 1.23, you might be able to buy a secondhand CD on some online shopping website and then even if you do not have a CD drive you might be able to enter the code on the secondhand CD into one of the offline installer programs available from pseudo-legitimate sources online to get 1.22 or 1.23 going on the computer. In that sense, the statement, "which you will not find anywhere on the Internet" is not correct.

So, you need to use versions of warcraft 1.22 and 1.23 to run extreme 1.1 and 1.3b.
I do not know this with absolute certainty. If you want absolute certainly, please provide me with a link to where you are getting these map files from, and I can download them and check the exact required versions. But it's extremely likely that 1.22 is the way to go.

By the way, I will not distribute information.
I'm confused by what you mean here. Feel free to distribute any information I give you in this thread. I'm just saying stuff, sharing the knowledge. I think if people shared their knowledge a little bit more, the world might be better off. I have been trying to construct a Warcraft 3 emulator program on a different game engine, which essentially pretends to be Warcraft 3. That is only possible because of people sharing knowledge on Hive. So for example, if I try to run my emulator on the DDay Extreme 112b map from earlier in this thread, I get to a loading screen:

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And then my emulator kept crashing on the load map portion so I went in and I mucked about with the code and I turned off the type checking systems so that we could perform conversions like in my long description, and then the game started up!

1731205914842.png


But you can already see stuff like "Upkeep NYI" because I didn't program the Upkeep system, and the buttons next to the map that are all empty, and all of this stuff. Because I'm rewriting an emulation of the game from scratch for my own fun and education, and so that I get to be my own boss, there are a lot of maps that I can almost, maybe, "sort of" try playing but where various features are missing or do not totally load. And then I can fix those features and take matters into my own hands.

So I'm not sure about the idea that Warcraft isn't anywhere on the internet. There are many things in many places on the internet. But the things that I have are probably more weird than some people.

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So I went and picked a hero with the sheep and walked around, but the trigger to command the automatic minions to fight seems to be not working in my emulator. This emulator is not running Warcraft III game, rather instead I am on a Linux/GNU computer and the emulator that I am writing to mimic Warcraft III was made with LibGDX game engine (libGDX - libGDX). This computer does not have a graphics card and you can see it was only getting the 32 FPS.

I do a different approach, so for example if you play a map on Reforged and the map uses some features that were gone after an old patch, typically if the feature is complex or a script error, they might do a crash and exit the map. But for a lot of unfinished functions or things I don't support or didn't write, a lot of times I tell the system to keep going for the sake of example, so that I can get a simulation going while I iterate on it. That's how this can run with a bunch of missing parts.

Really I think sharing information is good. If you share information the other person doesn't need, then nothing happens. But if you share information that helps them, you might help someone else at a low cost to yourself.
 
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If you have literally nothing but memories and money, and you want to play an old patch such as 1.22 or 1.23, you might be able to buy a secondhand CD on some online shopping website and then even if you do not have a CD drive you might be able to enter the code on the secondhand CD into one of the offline installer programs available from pseudo-legitimate sources online to get 1.22 or 1.23 going on the computer. In that sense, the statement, "which you will not find anywhere on the Internet" is not correct.


I do not know this with absolute certainty. If you want absolute certainly, please provide me with a link to where you are getting these map files from, and I can download them and check the exact required versions. But it's extremely likely that 1.22 is the way to go.


I'm confused by what you mean here. Feel free to distribute any information I give you in this thread. I'm just saying stuff, sharing the knowledge. I think if people shared their knowledge a little bit more, the world might be better off. I have been trying to construct a Warcraft 3 emulator program on a different game engine, which essentially pretends to be Warcraft 3. That is only possible because of people sharing knowledge on Hive. So for example, if I try to run my emulator on the DDay Extreme 112b map from earlier in this thread, I get to a loading screen:

View attachment 495942


And then my emulator kept crashing on the load map portion so I went in and I mucked about with the code and I turned off the type checking systems so that we could perform conversions like in my long description, and then the game started up!

View attachment 495943

But you can already see stuff like "Upkeep NYI" because I didn't program the Upkeep system, and the buttons next to the map that are all empty, and all of this stuff. Because I'm rewriting an emulation of the game from scratch for my own fun and education, and so that I get to be my own boss, there are a lot of maps that I can almost, maybe, "sort of" try playing but where various features are missing or do not totally load. And then I can fix those features and take matters into my own hands.

So I'm not sure about the idea that Warcraft isn't anywhere on the internet. There are many things in many places on the internet. But the things that I have are probably more weird than some people.

Edit:

View attachment 495944


So I went and picked a hero with the sheep and walked around, but the trigger to command the automatic minions to fight seems to be not working in my emulator. This emulator is not running Warcraft III game, rather instead I am on a Linux/GNU computer and the emulator that I am writing to mimic Warcraft III was made with LibGDX game engine (libGDX - libGDX). This computer does not have a graphics card and you can see it was only getting the 32 FPS.

I do a different approach, so for example if you play a map on Reforged and the map uses some features that were gone after an old patch, typically if the feature is complex or a script error, they might do a crash and exit the map. But for a lot of unfinished functions or things I don't support or didn't write, a lot of times I tell the system to keep going for the sake of example, so that I can get a simulation going while I iterate on it. That's how this can run with a bunch of missing parts.

Really I think sharing information is good. If you share information the other person doesn't need, then nothing happens. But if you share information that helps them, you might help someone else at a low cost to yourself.
1.22 - this is the exit. Got it. But to my great regret, the search for Warcraft TFT 3.exe (iso) v1.22 and v1.23 for me, a mere mortal, is limited to only 10 pages of RUSSIAN (!) sites, and often even less, where they offer to download only malicious patches and the same infected "licenses, original games", to which no CD key is suitable or instead redirects to a porn site, as well as an Internet speed of 100 Mbit / sec. Yes, there are also several foreign ones, like this one, but the angelic language (this is what we call English) is an insurmountable obstacle for me. I wasted a lot of time trying to find Warcraft v1.22 and v1.23 (I did it from time to time before, because similar versions of the game were in our computer clubs and I wanted to find them and now I decided to take this matter seriously), although I could devote it to my family, work, Jack London's book... But, apparently, it was not meant to be. This bleeding wound called "nostalgia" and stupid hopes will remain in me forever. I can't find Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne v1.22 and v1.23, I can't launch DDay Extreme 1.1 and 1.3b not because I don't want to, but because I simply physically can't. The limit of my knowledge does not allow me to combine a huge pile of versions... or Warcraft patches with an equally large pile of map versions. And my trust in the so-called "official Blizzard sites" has long since dried up. No, they certainly exist, but apparently not on my computer. I'm ashamed, but I have to give up. Unlike you, who, I see, swims calmly in the vastness of the Internet, like a killer whale in water. To each his own. Thank you for your time. My respects. P.S. (If I were closer to you, I would certainly treat you to a beer. With great pleasure. So, purely humanly. Because I have never met SUCH responsiveness as yours anywhere, neither on forums (and believe me, I've dug through a whole mountain of them), nor in real life. Thank you.)))
 
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Here's what I'm still hoping for. There's one more file - Warcraft 3 (Warhazard - Return of Darkness).iso. All the maps here have the .w3m extension. And the most interesting thing is that when I try to add it to the attachment in this message, my computer doesn't see it! I can only write one thing - just the name of the game. That is, if I understand correctly, then on this iso file - it's pure Warcraft - you need to install one of two patches, 1.22 and (or) 1.23. And the game will start! The only problem is that I have no idea how to do this, how to glue them together and I don't know how to patch in principle. I got it like this: I saw the right file (usually a repack) and downloaded it. Something like that. Well, I'm an idiot in this business! I don't know how! Because I spend time at the computer only for short-term entertainment. And I want to play...words cannot express how much. Help. Please.
Thank you for a very detailed answer. So, you need to use versions of warcraft 1.22 and 1.23 to run extreme 1.1 and 1.3b. And in order to use the set of patches you provided, you need a licensed Warcraft, which you will not find anywhere on the Internet. Did I understand everything correctly? By the way, I will not distribute information. It was very kind of you to give it to me. Thank you.
 

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