Hack and Heal v.1.19

[Moderator]

15:06, 16th May 2008
Firelord213:
[+]The map is yours so no need for any permissions or any credits to anyone else.
[+]The map is protected and you give information about it.
[+]The map is in English.
[+]No signs of any crashes or bugs.
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[+]It's a fun map and I like the custom events like when bosses come.

*Approved*

 

[Zelf]

Really enjoyed it, it needs more though. Also the White Magic ability, Holy Wave, is really powerful. Possibly tone that down a bit. As for more stuff, maybe more items. A piece of armor that levels up the more you get hit?

Maybe an item to drop all spells so you can pick new ones? Or possibly not since putting all points into Blue Magic and then wanting to get White magic abilities doesn't really do you any good.

The Red Magic summon wolf ability, I think the wolves attack speed is a little bit too high. He alone destroyed both (was playing 2 player) wave 30 bosses.

The bosses are definitely fun though. =D Especially wave 20 and wave 30. I like hard but final boss was nuts, I went up against him with 4500 HP and 1000+ dmg, and lost. Killed me almost instantly with his flamestrike spell.

Other then that, maybe some other items to drop. Potions, although rare and best saved for boss fights. Just something to keep it a little bit more entertaining. Can't think of anything right now, but needs more replay value. More spells? Different types of weapons that can level up?

Before I finish off this long post, I have one bug report and question. Bug being, the revive timer stays on screen after revival. And question, does dig do anything?

 

[AlexM]

Well first to answer: No. Dig, is only intended for fun yet. Maybe it will get an function in the future.
Also i already got the revival timer bug in earlier versions but thought that i fixed it.
Yes, in the next version i will add many new things like new spells, new items, potions and special encounters that may or may not take place in the game. Also i already decided to reduce the range of holy wave and warp.
Stay tuned for v.1.0.7 .

 

[Zelf]

Oh cool, that makes me happy. =D I love survival maps.

Maybe I've just been playing wrong or just need more players, but blue magic doesn't seem to be a good way to go for me.

Warp I liked, but it seems to have a minimum range on it which made it hard to use effectively after getting surrounded, unless thats intended.

Lightning didn't seem to work well either, had to right click an enemy I wanted to attack with range, maybe just make it give the player range? Maybe 3xBlue Magic is amount of range player gains.

But I just couldn't get kills with blue magic, so I couldn't get any stronger with it. Who knows, could be me. =P

 

[AlexM]

All 3 magics are expert in their way:

White magic is healing supportive and may get dominant with strong holy wave.
Red magic is damaging and gives full potential in additional high damage.
Blue magic is place and crowd controlling magic that may get dominant with strong warp.

Additionally white give lots of hp making that player a tank, red magic adds mellee damage making player executor and blue magic gives lots of mana making the player a spellcaster.

There is no way to win the game if your team is not balanced in those elements.
(Its widely known between the beta-testers that red magic may make you kill lots of zombies and compensate low hp by high vamipiric hp gain, but last boss will still kill you really fast if you have no decent hp)

 

[Zelf]

Think there's a bug with the new version. Say I get the special: Steroids, well all units that were still fighting from a normal round, also get Steroids. And say the units have Lawyer status then Steroids will be added on, and then eventually replace Lawyer.

 

[AlexM]

Its no bug. Special round means that the effect affects every enemy on the field for the duration of the current round. When the round changes and another effect comes, it will replace another bonus affecting every enemy unit on the map.

 

[Zelf]

Oh, heh. Guess I just never noticed that happen in the previous version.

 

[emperor_d3st]

Well, the boss fights are very imaginative (is that the right word?) and that music is fun, hehe, but anything between bossfights is a bit dull.
I think you should add more items and more spells because right now you just attack move between boss fights and sometimes cast a spell.
Maybe you should lessen the number of zombies and make them stronger the closer they are to their spawn points and make them give more bounty the closer they are to their spawn points.
Dig is annoying Every time you dig you hope something will pop up from the ground but no, meh :S

 

[AlexM]

Dig has no function right now. (It never intended to have any, even Xel protested versus adding a fenction to it) Also the zombies are REALLY hard if you are not good. I played in lots of h&h where the players were not able to stop those and over rounds the zombie lot got bigger and bigger eventually massively damaging the castle. This got even more harder after i removed armor and changed fat mutant into commander in later levels. So if you manage to kill everything then ure just good.

Also for the spells: I intend to add alot of them. Right now i plan to add 3 spells per several versions, and i also have no forum or anything else where people can post spell/other things ideas. Right now i have only 3 ideas for spells in next version -

Ban
Fire blast
Hope

Stay tuned for those. (As well as other implementations)

 

[XelNecra]

This map is just brilliant!
I knew this map had potential, but you made more out of this then I ever imagined!
You're a very gifted mapper ^^ keep up the good work

 

[AlexM]

Yayz^^ thx.

@Ps to Emperor_D3st:

Just forgot that your words REALLY make do it harder.

Again thanks Xel^^.

 

[emperor_d3st]

Well, I'm yet to beat the game, I don't want to be rude but at least 2 of our 5 man team is always a retard who gets killed by half dozen zombies (not kidding) so we always fail at the phoenix boss.
What do you mean my words really make do it harder? Sorry, language gap here

 

[AlexM]

My bad. I mean that its my system: If i notice that someone has it too easy i make it harder. Same with the last boss - every time i notice that too many people beat him i make him more challenging. Thats the way i keep the map challenging.

 

[ChaosBlade_DC]

Well the boss is still fairly easy to beat cause Flame Wolf is way to overpowered. You just summon it, run away, wait until cooldown is over and repeat. In singleplayer you beat him that way in 3 runs. Unless your unlucky and get hit by his stampede-like attack too often. Armor Battery Extreme is underpowered. It catches the same damage as the normal (double armor, half durability) but it costs twice as much. I still just make Pickaxe/Lawyer Staff/4 Attackspeed Gloves and focus red magic or Lawyer Staff/5x Gloves, but since I know ~Spoiler intentionally removed~ Im not going to do it. This map isn't updated for a while, will it go on or is it stuck?

 

[AlexM]

Well, my apologies, but my comp got formated because of too many script kiddies making too many viruses...

If i ever manage to find a unprotected version of 1.12 (I think i have one somewhere) i will continue.

 

[Alex303]

Well, you should at least have a backup... It makes life easier ^^.

Anyway, it's a great map and I like it. I hope you find an unprotected version and continue improving it.

 

[AlexM]

YES! SUCCESS!! FINNALY!!!

After going all like Indiana Jones and searching for relict dusty CDs, going through the labyrinth of places and fighting off hundreds of wrong files i finnaly found the unprotected H&H 1.12 in all it's glory right where i left it last!!!

H&H 1.13 is on it's way with ALOT of changes.

Stay tuned for things people wanted for so long:

-Equal gold gaining for all players.
-Possibility of untraining of spells.
-Balances of useless items.
-Replacement of "Summon Mana" with the old spell i wanted to add. (Now i have skill to)
-More things!

If you're just as hyped as i am right now, then go and play some wc3, because i won't for a long time.

 

[deathreaven]

What is the lever in the upper right and left for? And what is the music used for the boss levels

 

[T-s-G]

Could you PLEASE hide the changelogs? Kinda fills alot xD

 

[aaron]

this map is really fun :O i cant complain for any bugs if i think its fun ( unless the bugs crash the game lol ) i give a 4.98703/5

 

[sanitoeter]

Erm... Well, i agree with chaos, but in this ver i just cant find any bugs anymore
Nice One!

 

[FrozenFenrir]

uhm i played this map several times and i think that the last boss is way too uber D=
his aoes are too big(im especially talking about that flamestrike...)
oh and btw...there was a bug why we died...
yellow left the game but his hero still remained at the ressurection spot so the last boss always went there and killed him with his aoes...due to that,some of us also died cause they ressed directly in the aoe with no chance to dodge
that respawning area should have one of those black walls...or at least...make the heroes invulnerable in this area =/

 

[wereguy2]

Hmmm, while this is a reasonably well made map, it lacks variation.
The zombies were very samey, you should add more types of attackers.
The corpsetosser was a nice addition, but the bosses were just insane, you should make them smaller, and make their attacks less... well, retarded
The samey-ness is increased by the small amount of items, you should make the pickaxe upgrade more often, and give less of a bonus when it does.
Finally, the terrain really needs some reworking, with doodads, height variation and possibly cliffs.
3/5 No vote

 

[AlexM]

Well, that it lacks variation on enemies is the core of it's triggering, I could add more variety of creeps, but that would take a long, long time.
That terrain sucks is a known fact to me because i do suck at terraining. Were I to reterrain it, it would just look even more gross.
Also the amount of items is gonna increase in 1.15, along with invulnerablity in the spawn area and many other things.
As for final boss, he is not uber, he is just very, very, very hard. I saw people beating him with castle being nearly 95% hp. That why he also gets even harder in 1.15.
And for all those people who yet had not enough torture and bragged to me how they soloed, killed without a single death and simple owned final boss, I added the NIGHTMARE MODE, which purpose is to be almost impossible to finish. I won't answer to any calls to nerf it, ever.

Just stay tuned, because the map is still kinda young^^. Alot of stuff is yet to be added and i definitely wont stop until every spell shop is full with spells and at least 3-4 normal shops are full with items.

 

[FrozenFenrir]

As for final boss, he is not uber, he is just very, very, very hard. I saw people beating him with castle being nearly 95% hp.

he IS uber combined with that bug i already told about -.-

That why he also gets even harder in 1.15.

thats ridiculous-.-
just because someone killed him u want to buff him AGAIN? geez
make at least a mode system like easy-normal-hard-insane etc.
it has nothing to do with fun anymore if u cant dodge his aoes and die nearly instantly ffs

 

[AlexM]

1. He is really not uber. Get lots of hp and run out of his attacks. If you have good reaction you loose only up to 3k hp which are by far easily healed (If you have a white mage, he can heal up to 10k HP with a single cast).

2. Warp and Sanctruary interrupt him, making it easy to stop his meteor rain, flamestrike and fire stampede.

3. People abuse flame wolf to make it attack Final Boss and meanwhile run away. This way they prevent his enrage and heal MP/HP at fountain.

I tested him over and over. Right now he is very hard, but not impossible, unlike the NM Final Boss who will drive people insane.

Bottomline, don't blame the difficulty if you're not adapted to it. I know new people have a habit of running inside of flamestrikes and making castle die, but like in every game its trial and error on the road to become better.

 

[Jrba]

I didn't really read trough posts for any answers but I have a suggestion.
I played to wave 30 or so....and all that time I could not manage to store any gold in bank for intrest..add a quest or something telling how to add gold to bank please?

Consept: 4/5
Enjoyable 3/5
Fun 4/5
Terrain 1/5
Orginality: 2/5

My rating of this map 3.5/5

btw.... how did I add gold to bank !?

 

[wereguy2]

All you really need to do with the terrain is add a few random hills, wouldnt be very hard, just randomly wave the Up thing around and then step back and see if it looks natural.

 

[ChaosBlade_DC]

AlexM, you should check your E-Mails more often, I sent you a unprotected version of the map like 2 months ago, and I beated the final boss TWICE and you did not put me in the HoF even though you replied me to do so =( What did I do to you? =(

 

[ChaosBlade_DC]

lol I sent it to the E-Mail adress shown in the game oO

 

[Ham Ham]

HACK N' HEAL
My full revision
This revision will judge the game field-by-field and be rated from a range that goes from 1 (wich is the worst) to 5 (wich is the best). If there are very good features, the map will earn bonus points at the end of revision.

Triggering\Gameplay: 3/5
Game is well balanced, and dificulty is compatible to number of players.
The ability to fully customize your hero is very cool. But there are lots of bugs that annoys me.
The enemmies sometimes stuck, and just stop moving. To fix it, I suggest you split the enemy units in 2 or 3 computer players instead of 1.
When the Boss shows up and Nightwish's song starts, the ingame background music dont stops. Use the following trigger to fix it:

Actions
Sound - Play Music (Your music)
Sound - Clear the music list
Sound - Set the music list to (Last played music), starting with song 0

Terrain: 1/5
Just dirt, elevation and trees? Where are the rocks, plants, etc?


Visual\Special Effects\Use of Imports: 3/5
The Boss fights are awesome, althrough, the normal game starts to get boring for some time. (like 3 or 4 waves before the Boss)
It also miss some imported models.
And, by the size of the map, I presume you imported the song with raw size, without compressing it! Thats a very bad thing! You can compress the song down to a rate of 64kbps or 32kbps, and still keep a good sound quality. If you dont know how to do it, send me the song via e-mail ([email protected]) and I'll compress it for you.


Bonus Points
Very original map, with funny tooltips. (+1)
High replay value. (+1)

Total Bonus Points: 2


Time to judge!
3+1+3+2 = 9/3 = 3

OVERHALL: A 3/5 map. Very funny, recomendable, but has lot of things to be fixed as I mentioned above.








That concludes my revision, now, lets go to suggestions:
--- For Zombies with bombs, what about making them throw their bombs from a range like 600 or 700, then going up as normal zombies?
To make this, give those zombies a ranged siege attack. Make it 3x stronger than a normal zombie attack, but with slow projectile speed like 300 or 400, so players can evade it. Make the following trigger.

Events:
Unit - A unit is attacked

Conditions:
Unit Type of Attacking unit equal to Zombie (With Bombs)

Actions:
Wait 0.50 seconds
Unit- Replace Attacking unit with a Zombie (Nomral) using Old Unit's relative life and mana.


--- Wait a little more time before sending those bigger zombie variations. Like:
1st and 2nd waves: normal zombies
3rd and 4th waves: normal zombies, siege zombies
5rd and 6th waves: normal zombies, siege zombies, ice zombies
etc...


--- Add more models to Hackers. Well, since they are all the same, what about adding more variation?

 

[MistFury]

I have a question!!
Actually i found a VERY TINY granite golem on the corner on the map while a level at the other side of the map.When i select it.The granite golem suddenly disappeared and the lever was suddenly pulled.I don't know what exactly does it do!
I wonder if this is a secret???

 

[AlexM]

>.>
<.<

Ssshhhhhhhhh!

 

[wereguy2]

^^

 

[Ham Ham]

So, how is the progress going? Did you like the things I added to the map?

 

[ap0calypse]

Just a little question here: don't you need to give credits for the music? (Nighwish - Dark Chest of Wonders).
It's one of the submission rules

So if you could add that to the credits, it's fine...

 

[AlexM]

I already gave em credits o.o. Its in "Credits" in quests.
Btw, yep working. Ill have to remove 1 of the new musics and rework the boss music back to sound, because as music it gets quieter during the cinematic boss apperance and lessers the impact on the player. Also the second music is actually louder than it o.o thats one of reasons why it has to go. The grenade function for siege zombies will be implemented, but really nerfed, because 200 dmg at lvl 1-10 is waaay too imba^^. Also the Fire Blast spell, that bugged piece of ... ...well, lets just say that it drove me insane enough times and will GO, to hell if possible. Ill replace it. Also noticed some bugs/abuse points at third boss, which need care. After some rebalance and addition of several more combo items i will release 1.17. Stay tuned .

AlexMdle

 

[ap0calypse]

In that case, I had an old version lol
My friend told me he got a game from the hive and wanted to play it with me, so I accepted and the credits weren't in that version

Sorry, good that you've added it though

 

[Ham Ham]

Wich music is too loud? Second one? hmm.. it's Helloween - Push If I'm not wrong.
I can edit it, reduce its volume and post it here if you wish.


EDIT: I can also restore the boss sound usuage instead music and send to you.

 

[AlexM]

Nay, no need^^. Can do that.

 

[Lord_Firage]

I Like it !!
But:
-Change potions to instant heal instead of non combat shit ..
-There is MUCH delay when many zombies are on the map..
-The Game is a bit too "fast".. Give players some time to Buy items and so on between the Waves..

 

[shadow487]

please fix this map aint work with new patch and i want 2 play it =DDD

 

[commoe]

The newest version doesnt work. whenever i try to load it it just says "map not found". please fix this soon. im addicted to this map

 

[AlexM]

Sorry for the long abscence, hell, I doubt anybody cares by this point, but due to that one patch that added/altered some JASS functions, the map can no longer be played. The friend I send the copy to fix never replied and I am now officially hopeless. :/

Sorry.

If anybody is willing to help me fix it, I would really appreciate that.

 

[ap0calypse]

I'd be glad to do that for you.
If you could just send me the unprotected version of the map, I'll fix it as soon as possible.

 

[AlexM]

Uh, in all actuality, just a little while after writing off all hope (Sort of the same way as it went with the Flame Blast spell) I managed to find Arkless and he happened to still have unprotected 1.18 on his computer.

Even better, removing the bugged hashtable actually allowed the map to run again, with the only downside being a small glitch in enemy behaviour.

So, yes. Right now I'm working on a new loading screen and am ironing out a few issues.

Then 1.19 comes out :3

 

[commoe]

woooooo! Me and my friends played this map all the time lol. Cant wait for the new version to come out :3

 

[Ham Ham]

Sorry for the long abscence, hell, I doubt anybody cares by this point, but due to that one patch that added/altered some JASS functions, the map can no longer be played. The friend I send the copy to fix never replied and I am now officially hopeless. :/

Sorry.

If anybody is willing to help me fix it, I would really appreciate that.

Hey Alex, I still have that last unprotected version you sent me in June 2009 to improve terrain/add music. Are you still working on this map? If yes, I can send it to you.