Green TD Evolution v2.05

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21:02, 29th Mar 2014
Hell_Master: Map approved with a rating of 3/5 (Acceptable). See mini-moderator's (eubz's) review regarding the map:

The Hive Workshop Official

Map Reviewer: eubz Map Name: Green TD Evolution v1.02 Map Author: Smurphy101 Map Uploader: Smurphy101 Originality There are so many tower defenses already approved and played but I like some of your ideas specially the Researching tower. Score: 60/100 Presentation Nicely presented with the use of kobas' template but oyu should have told us that the map is protected. Score: 76/100 Terrain Terrain complies the kind of terrain a tower defense should have. Nothing more I could say. Score: 70/100 Triggers I couldn't say about how you trigger your map because the map is protected. It is really a wise descission to protect a map because there are some who steal maps and tell everyone it is their work. Once, I was a victim of this. One of my map which is approved here was uploaded in another site. Score: 60/100 Object Data I like the colors you used in the tooltips. Nothing special on icons though, because used icons are blizzard-made. Score: 70/100 Gameplay I like the game. It is really replayable and the upgrades are well done. One thing is that, your frost tower level 2 tooltip should be Upgrade not Build. Score: 75/100 Change the tooltip of your level 2 to Upgrade Tuskar Chieftain instead of Build Tuskar Chieftain. Final Score: 68.500/100 3/5 Vote for Approval Contact: (Visitor Message) / (Private Message) / (Map Reviewers)

 

[eubz]

The Hive Workshop Official

Map Reviewer: eubz Map Name: Green TD Evolution v1.02 Map Author: Smurphy101 Map Uploader: Smurphy101 Originality There are so many tower defenses already approved and played but I like some of your ideas specially the Researching tower. Score: 60/100 Presentation Nicely presented with the use of kobas' template but oyu should have told us that the map is protected. Score: 76/100 Terrain Terrain complies the kind of terrain a tower defense should have. Nothing more I could say. Score: 70/100 Triggers I couldn't say about how you trigger your map because the map is protected. It is really a wise descission to protect a map because there are some who steal maps and tell everyone it is their work. Once, I was a victim of this. One of my map which is approved here was uploaded in another site. Score: 60/100 Object Data I like the colors you used in the tooltips. Nothing special on icons though, because used icons are blizzard-made. Score: 70/100 Gameplay I like the game. It is really replayable and the upgrades are well done. One thing is that, your frost tower level 2 tooltip should be Upgrade not Build. Score: 75/100 Change the tooltip of your level 2 to Upgrade Tuskar Chieftain instead of Build Tuskar Chieftain. Final Score: 68.500/100 3/5 Vote for Approval Contact: (Visitor Message) / (Private Message) / (Map Reviewers)

 

[GenoHacker]

Nicely presented with the use of kobas' template but oyu should have told us that the map is protected.

I did see, "The Original map i started with was not protected, this version is *protected*, the reason being Green TD is a frequently modified map whether it be a complete overhaul like mine or a version to add cheats or generally unneeded things. Not that Protecting the map will stop those determined to modify it, it will stop those who arnt, probably."

I just added the part between the *'s

Also if anyone would like to review the triggers send me a private message and ill send you the non-protected version, just note that some triggers arent as efficient as they could be, gamemodes for example, they really should use sub strings but they dont, at the time i created the triggers for it i didnt know how to use substrings, now i do. Also the triggers work fine, so i see no reason to change them yet, perhaps in the future when i may add more gamemode i will change them.

 

[neven1]

What about the usual memmory leak from Green TD maps is it fixed in this one?

 

[GenoHacker]

What about the usual memmory leak from Green TD maps is it fixed in this one?

I haven't had a single crash in my time making this map, i have also never had a green td map crash on me.

 

[wobbleidz]

This has wasted my time two times now. IT BUGS ON LEVEL 46! IT JUST WONT SPAWN, even if i do -debug. it won't work. Remove this trash.

 

[katho]

Bug

Everytime a unit leak the game freeze, there stand "next wave in: -now-", no way to play

 

[poeti]

I can't play the game.I can't even create or host the game.

 

[DaneTheBeast]

This must be one of the best GreenTD remakes out there, amazing job on the map.

There are issues though. Black-pink boxes appear sometimes all over the map, the loading screen has no date on it, it says XX/XX/XXXX

 

[cazador]

Hey, I love the map but I have encountered a problem you should fix: on endless mode, wave 62 never spawns, and the -debug command doesn't help either.

 

[GenoHacker]

Plans for v1.15

Copying a discord post i made here.

The first thing planned for v1.15 is a complete overhaul of the the gamemode triggers. When i initially created the trigger i went with my own approach to it, so whilst it was easy for me to create it also has a alot of unnecessary actions, i basically made one trigger and just copy pasted it and then slightly changed it for each combination of game modes.

I will probably make it so there are 2 ways to choose game modes, a similer way to as it is now but instead of -d2b1 you will type -d2 and then -b1 and for endless mode it would be -em, the second way is a to create abilitys for all game modes and add them to a Mode Configuration Unit. The unit will make use of spellbooks to do this, so difficultys will all be in a single spell book, easy all the way up to chaos mode, the builder will likely be a single button, endless mode will be put into a spellbook that will contain several new game modes that i am planning on adding.

After this i will begin work on the Save/Load system i have played for the map, this take advantage to the XP system Promises made to be able to show the Exp on maulbot.com. Their will be a post detailing the current features of this below.

After implementing the save/load system i will work with Promise, i assume anyway, to implement HCL support and probably some other stuff.

Their may also be other new features or addition that i come up whilst making v1.15. I will be releasing Indev versions of 1.15 as i did with 1.14.

 

[zero3334]

i wanted to play this map but i can't play this map it always gives me blank error

 

[GenoHacker]

i wanted to play this map but i can't play this map it always gives me blank error

I just downloaded the map and it works fine, its been running on Maulbot without any issues as well. The map requires you to have 1.29, so make sure you have updated war3. Other than that i dont know why it woudlnt work for you.

 

[zero3334]

i downloaded a 1.29.2 version of warcraft and downloaded this map
this is the error that i got

 

[biridius]

I like how game modes are implemented there, compared to the other GTD I played.

Found a couple of bugs:
Level 1 armor aura reduces armor by 0.2 instead of 20%, probably a % flag missing
Swarm mode - at some point, the spawned creatures get stuck in their spawning zone

 

[GenoHacker]

I like how game modes are implemented there, compared to the other GTD I played.

Found a couple of bugs:
Level 1 armor aura reduces armor by 0.2 instead of 20%, probably a % flag missing
Swarm mode - at some point, the spawned creatures get stuck in their spawning zone

Either the level 1 armour aura was never broken or i fixed it sometime whilst working on 1.16, either way the armour aura will be fixed when v1.16 releases

In v1.16 i completely overhauled the unit debugging system so whilst units may still get stuck it will be far easier and quicker to fix them

 

[Jason the Summoner]

This was the map of my childhood.

 

[Shar Dundred]

New review as requested by the author.

Map: Green TD Evolution
Version: 2.04a

Review
by Shar Dundred

Presentation

The terrain of the map is rather simple but by TD standards, it is good. After all, you cannot block the areas that the enemies use to reach their target or the area where you build towers with doodads. The terrain is not bad, but since most of the map is used by the player, there is not much to be judged here. I liked the few decorations and the flying sheep though, they helped make the map less empty. This map uses only few imports but for me that is not an issue. I think it uses as many as it needs. 3/5

Gameplay

This Tower Defense map has some nice little ideas like the gambling system. I also liked the different difficulties and modi that it offers. My favorite tower was the research tower. I really liked the fact that you could directly upgrade your lvl 1 towers to lvl 5 or 10, skipping the levels in between, as this helps to build a solid defense later down the line without having to upgrade each level individually (I found myself replacing towers or selling them to build them at a new position at several times and this helped me do so faster). The fact that the towers are designed to really harm one type of armor only, forces the player not only to use all towers but to also switch between the different types of towers. The above mentioned feature of skipping levels compliments this way of playing the game. While this adds a certain dynamic, I think it also limits the player in his options since there really is only one efficient tower each wave and the player is limited not only by gold but also by food to a certain amount of towers. In larger player groups, this is less of an issue, in groups of two or three or in singleplayer mode, this becomes more obvious. People who are only used to Tower Defense maps that allow them to build as many towers as they want, might be slightly turned off by this. 4/5

Bugs/Suggestions

I did not run into any bugs, only a few typos (like the Eredar Sorcerer being named Ereder Sorcerer) but nothing major. I definitely see a replay value here, but I could also see this further improved by adding different builders in the future. Such a thing could also make the combination of several players using different builders more interesting, further increasing the replay value. However, this is not a necessary requirement, I personally simply always liked the TDs that allowed me to choose a "race" more, so it is more of a personal note and may not apply to others. I still had fun playing this map.

Overall

I liked playing this map, I think there is replay value here as well. 3.5-->4/5 No approval change since already approved!

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[GenoHacker]

Thanks for the review

Ive never wanted to drastically change the layout of the map as i still want people to recognize the map as Green TD as soon as they see it, ive simply refined the layout making the overall map smaller and more compact, but this also removed a lot of area that could have been used for more terrain variation and decorations.

I did recently experiment with overhauling the terrain completely but because im not a particularly good at terraining it felt wrong in someway and it conflicted with my desire to keep things simple, precise and recognizable.

However i have made some changes not to the layout or the majority of the terrain but too decoration, ive filled in some of the area between Purple and Yellow without conflicting with the buildable area of the surrounding players, ive also added some more easter egg type decorations to the area at the top of the map when clicking on the frogs and to the raised areas below and too the sides of reds area, i do like how these have turned out so i may consider adding more to other similar areas of the map.

I will be releasing these changes as v2.04b sometime today as im not yet ready to release another major update.


One of the things i very much dislike in warcraft maps, or video games in general, is needless inconveniences, inconsistencies and a lack of choice. I do think ive absolutely succeeded in avoiding those 3 things in this map, but im far from being the best at planning things out or thoroughly designing things aheead of implementing them so certain things may have attributes of the 3 things i stated i dislike. You stated that you sold and rebuilt towers at different places, i see this style of play as an inconvenience and something that ive tried to avoid having to be done, but their are many players with many different ways of interpreting how to play the map despite my attempts to build a certain playstyle, so it can be difficult to remedy or even notice elements of my own design that teaters on the edge of things i dislike.

The tower limit should rarely ever affect much as i think the current food cap is more than adequate to complete the map, previously food was only used for the Spell and Bash towers as the effects of those towers can be overpowered when massed. This limit forces people to give some thought about their composition of towers as well as preventing players from spamming level 1 towers which can adversely affect the experience of other players in the game, the addition of the efficency number to each towers tooltip in a previous version is something that i hoped would prevent this from happening.

I dont personally see issue with towers having a strictly best armour target as i generally build multiple towers and focus each tower based on which ever armour type the current wave has but as i said above people are different and my focus and prioritys when playing are drastically different than just a regular player so in the future when i have developed more variety into each tower i may change the damage values of Attacks/Armours so things arnt as strong but also not as weak, hopefully avoiding some inconvenient elements the towers have whilst hopefully keeping overall damage output the same.


Many years ago someone made an edit of the map that split the towers into not precisely races but builders and back then i strongly disliked this causing me to protect the map, the map is no longer protected as pointed out in the description for the map. The map also used to have 2 different builders but the second builder was removed in favour of being able to disable certain towers to make your own custom builder.

As for different races i think it would be too different for a Green TD map, but i do see the potential it could theoretically add to the game as ive had a hand in creating and reworking races in Warcraft Maul Reimagined and thoughroughly enjoyed the creative and thematic freedom i had when designing them.

However in v2.04 i started developing different varients for each tower, not all towers have them, as i kinda kicked 2.04 out of the door without fully developing everything that i had planned for it, but i dont intend to leave them as they are. So hopefully sometime in the future when the Damage Engine has been implemented into the map i can avoid multiple races by having interesting varients of towers.

Again thanks for the review it is very much appreciated.

Edit: Minor Edits and Typo corrections

 

[goldnring]

Can you make it so we don't automatically win after wave 60 and get time to try bosses? If player doesn't -restart after loss and new wave spawns, it keeps on spawning units and lives keep going below 0.

 

[cazador]

Hey, as always, love the map, but now it's randomly crashing warcraft 3 for me, it only happens in this map, and it doesn't seem to happen at any specific point, it just suddenly freezes and warcraft stops responding (I have to force kill the proccess).

I was actually hosting a game that you (GenoHacker) joined a few days days ago, when this happened to me mid game.

 

[GenoHacker]

Hey, as always, love the map, but now it's randomly crashing warcraft 3 for me, it only happens in this map, and it doesn't seem to happen at any specific point, it just suddenly freezes and warcraft stops responding (I have to force kill the proccess).

I was actually hosting a game that you (GenoHacker) joined a few days days ago, when this happened to me mid game.

The freezing issue affects everyone in the game, even happens in singleplayer, dont know what the cause is but it never happened before reforged, was hoping v2.05 would fix the issues as that version was generated using the reforged editor, but alas it didnt.

Thankfully this issue doesnt seem to happen in v2.06 which im currently working on as ive switched over to LUA Scripting and included this [Lua]Obliterate all GUI leaks with 1 trigger!

Edit: Well the Garbage Collector causes desyncs in multiplayer and the game can still crash so the 2.06 is on hold for now.