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Amargaard

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So, it has happened. The last part of the tale has been written, and I will hereby leave my role as Maintainer of Kaelicious. I believe I did a good job back in the beginning of 2014, but that is no longer the case, as real life has been stealing me away from the group. I wish you the best possible future - and I know my successor will do a better job than I did. I have decided to hand over the group to kari0003 to take care of it in 2015.

I know he plans a great change in here, and I think it is awesome. Good luck ;)

(PS: What did you think about my ending to this chapter in Kaelicious? It took me a while, so I'd appreciate a few comments of the many events that I wrote of)
 

Amargaard

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The reason for my killing spree in these two posts will be explained by our new maintainer soon. Sorry for not asking, but there's a reason for it all. Lemar's a magical being beyond our understanding :b

Be happy she had an awzum death at least ^^

Let's salute all of these lovely characters that I have killed without mercy:
Confirmed Deaths:
Thylleon the Elf, Eressor the Venomancer, Kenny Kardos the Oktoberfest Idol, Juno the Cat, Rabbi Snowstrider the Racist, Niss Commander Go'an Wise-Horn, the Mad King of Hell, Leila the Angel

Not confirmed deaths:
Vultron the Green Dragon, Bran Saligia the Thief, Furfur the Prisoner, Alwin the Fist, Am'ar Kardos the T.H.U.M.P.E.R. Captain, Vincent the Ice Dragon
 

Paillan

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So... if Leila dies... that means Dante get's hit back by the light energy, which in fact means he doesn't need to be a guardian any more. Which also means...

I think I said like a donzen times that the child of Leila WASN'T and HAD NOT anything to do with Am'ar? At least tell me it's just a name thing, or else I will seriously be forced to say that you took your admin powers too far.
On the mean time you killed all those unactive characters... Fine, you may say I never considered Leila a lot, but...
but...
I don't know how to put my dissapointment in words.
 

Amargaard

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You know, I just wanted to keep my favourite character's genes alive - because Am'ar Kardos is dead too, as mentioned by vKael - only way was through Leila's child. It could actually make sense, since they met each other at the Valentine Event, and that's like nine months ago, but whatever, if you hate the idea, do what you want.

Again, there is a reason for killing everyone - you will understand it as soon as Kari reveals it :)
 

kari0003

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Boooyaa! Welcome everyone! From now on, I am the one you will be waiting for at the beginning of each month ^.^ ( -Just kidding)

As Am'ar told you, a chapter of Kaelicious closed today, and a new chapter is to begin in February. Until then I will leave time to say farewell to your old characters, and maybe greet to the new ones.

As you can see, Kaelicous community has gotten quite thin in the last months, so my main goal for the following year is to change that.

This is why in the next chapter of Kaelicious, there will be some changes to the world, so new members can join more easy, and they don't get confused by the wast amount of history we have here.

One of the few backdraws of this, is that we will have to get rid of our favorite voidwalker weed smoker ice bending tauren-winged characters, and some of the more reasonable ones too.

So in the next chapter, all current characters will be unavailable, who are at least mid-aged. The new chapter will begin 16 years after Dark Christmas, and will have a kind of different setting.



Please tell any worries, any suggestions!
 

Imadori

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Suggestions:

* Can't we make the posts shorter? Maximum of one paragraph, maybe.
Not everyone has the time nor passion to read & write long stories and posts.

* Reading and understanding the lore itself plus the character's (side or main chars), feels like studying, especially when you're already excited to write your first post... Studying is the last thing on my mind right now. How about making sure everyone can join the RP easily without having to read much of those?

* Can't we just remove the 'Beginning/Backstory' thing? Every one except the veterans here just wants to put their focus on their characters alone.
I doubt the new comers will read others' background unless you make it mandatory, which, I think, will kill the idea of 'future active members'. It's the same as being forced to read the lore.
This can be solved by having the characters develop through time instead of writing backstories. Maybe fragments of memories will work too? Short flashbacks I mean.

* Quit adding characters! We can't follow!
It might be fun having to control and interact with new toys, but the readers (possible future members) don't appreciate this. The problem is, this is not a book. Readers will only read latest posts. They won't bother with our char's history and such. They just wanted to read something interesting right here and now. It'll be troublesome for them to understand what's going on if they don't know who's who.

Not everyone is interested in roleplaying to begin with. I think we must cater to them if we want this RP to stay active, plus get more members.

Well, those are just opinions, I don't mean to be offensive.
What do you think Kari? Cool-peon? Bern? Paillan?
 

Bernkastel

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People like me, who have a lot of time for this have trouble with people who don't.. As said "have time", especially when the posts are short, since when you're having a discussion, you (mostly) need someone to talk with, unless you're discussing something with yourself, or a skull, since things like that get our characters stuck. And we can't even tell if the other guy is coming back when he has been gone for three days. It's really irritiating.
And things, like that. Force people, like me. To create new characters. That instead of killing the other person for some unknown reason to get out of it, I can still continue roleplaying.

Removing a backstory could be interesting, but then the world itself should be more developed and recreated. As it is a mess and unusable as one. Not to mention that having a so called "open world" can be deadly as well.

For example, everyone being in their own corner of the world, nobody ever meeting anyone and such. It's a deathtrap.
Character background and such should have a seperate thread, with info "and possible artwork" of the characters in the case people are interested in how they look and who they are and so on.
But, except for the character visual, none of this info is practically necessary for a roleplayer, since what they know, their character doesn't. They're two seperate beings. I tell here that my plan is to blow up the entire world. You can't go and know that as your character becaaaauuuuse, that's cheating.

And because I don't trust people on that very case, I never tell my plans, which make them unexisting and all the sudden they disappear because someone ruins them without knowing.

Additional character can be bad, or good. At least the cake crusade whatever -group, has a ridiculous amount of characters, a plot that I don't understand and no place to read it except for going through the million pages of millions. A certain 'no thanks' for me that one. So I do understand that one.

Also, practically we've been writing this roleplay as a book, and nobody so far as complained about it. I myself don't like this:

Bern: Hello
Imadori: Hello
*Imadori fondles Bern's breasts*
Bern: Nyah~.

No, That's not my thing, I prefer writing a story, as.. I like writing stories. Badonkadonk.

On this hazard case of people not wanting to read all the posts (Whyyyyyyy..!? Except for Amar's huge-ass post where I only read the stuff about me. Toasty!)
we could add things add the end of the post that mention all the information that players could acknowledge from them like this.

Bern eats an apple the first day.
Then she steals Imadori's leg on the second.
On the third day Bern goes goes to a city and buys a cookie.
Next she bought a gun.
Imadori is still hopeless for his leg, but also a bit excited.
Bern brings Imadori's leg back, but also uses her gun to shoot the moon in half.

And so at the end of the post there'd be stuff like this.

(Bern was seen in the city of Blabbergrabber, Bern bought a gun, Bern shot the moon in half)

People can use information like that. You know like, having seen a person when this visited the city that he/she was in. Knowing that this person is carrying a gun because they bought one. Understanding that there can't be a full moon because the moon has been halved.

Because there are info that are necessary to you even if you're not interested in the "sequence of a book" itself. If someone is not interested in the history they don't necessarily need it. But they can use it for their own past. And the earlier mentioned character thread helps with knowing who is who.
 

kari0003

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Imadori said:
* Can't we make the posts shorter? Maximum of one paragraph, maybe.
Not everyone has the time nor passion to read & write long stories and posts.
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I think that post length is for the roleplayers to decide. Minimal and Maximal sizes for a post is unnecessary rules, since as the RP's seriousness forms from time to time, longer and shorter posts might be needed. There is a main pattern that everyone follows at the moment, and that pattern can change over time. If someone is creating a post that doesn't fit, as a community we can tell them to change it. For example trolman's first post in the RP, which followed the DP style.

* Reading and understanding the lore itself plus the character's (side or main chars), feels like studying, especially when you're already excited to write your first post... Studying is the last thing on my mind right now. How about making sure everyone can join the RP easily without having to read much of those?
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This i find very true. I want to create the world that is easy to join in, but always holds something more to explore. "Easy to play, hard to master" style. How i want to manage this? I want to create TLDR QuickStarter packs for newcomers. Some vital info on the world and it's current state, in images and short paragraphs. The history will inevitably be longer over time, but I want to create a more loose link between world history, and current month's theme.

* Can't we just remove the 'Beginning/Backstory' thing? Every one except the veterans here just wants to put their focus on their characters alone.
I doubt the new comers will read others' background unless you make it mandatory, which, I think, will kill the idea of 'future active members'. It's the same as being forced to read the lore.
This can be solved by having the characters develop through time instead of writing backstories. Maybe fragments of memories will work too? Short flashbacks I mean.
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As i see backstories were never a thing in Kaelicious. It all started with small posts, and our characters evolved with the RP itself. I wont make Backstories mandatory in the future, however every character should have attributes that differentiates them from others. If someone would like to write down his/her backstory, I wont forbid that either.

* Quit adding characters! We can't follow!
It might be fun having to control and interact with new toys, but the readers (possible future members) don't appreciate this. The problem is, this is not a book. Readers will only read latest posts. They won't bother with our char's history and such. They just wanted to read something interesting right here and now. It'll be troublesome for them to understand what's going on if they don't know who's who.
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I understand that following the current state is hard. As Bernkastel wrote, a Character Introduction thread will be made, and should be updated from month to month, always with the current info.
If someone wants to join a storyline, he will have to read those short introductions anyways.

Not everyone is interested in roleplaying to begin with. I think we must cater to them if we want this RP to stay active, plus get more members.
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Thats true. If you dont know what is RP-ing, its almost impossible to join on your own. But I want members that join despite they cant RP. To join the contest, join the Kaelicious community. I want to make contests more frequently, and RPing will not be mandatory, but will reward the contestants. That's how I imagine to get members.

Well, those are just opinions, I don't mean to be offensive.
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Wow, you were not offensive at all! I really appreciate that you shared your opinions, which are quite right. If you have further ideas, i would be happy to hear it. It is hard to satisfy old members and new members at the same time. Hence it is important to hear your ideas and desires, so we can create a better world together. :)
 

Paillan

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Wololo!
 

Imadori

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Okay... Then more of my opinions:
I think cool-peon killing almost all the characters to start a new was a good idea, the best actually.

One reason no one's staying was because the past RPs were so hard to follow:
- Lore keeps getting longer as time goes by. Means more 'studying'.
- Characters have grown so much already. They stand out more than others.
- Because of this, new roleplayers' characters feels insignificant and disposable.

Additional:
This is just me (I hope) but I find that this group doesn't take new comers seriously?
Seems to me that they were being ignored, somehow, if not the whole group.
Well, that's a common scenario in this reputation world. Ignoring the newbies I mean, because we feel superior, I kinda understand that part.
We should do something about that tho. For starters, we give them enough attention, make them feel that they're somewhat noteworthy by greeting them the first time they make a post.
 

kari0003

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Well, it is a big issue, that after they made a post in the RP, they don't really continue visiting the group.
And yea, at some cases the community was offensive and ignorant towards newbies. I remember a couple of times, when Am'ar tried to draw a new guy in, and all they got was some hate, and then they almost got ignored fully.

I think the only thing I can do about that, is to stop those who spread the hate. I'd really like to start clear, so I'm not mentioning or restricting anyone now. But in the future, I want to handle those who are ignorant with restrictions and deletions.

And now regarding to the first part of your post:
I was talking earlier about the QuickStarter thread. It should have updated info on the characters and the roleplay's basic setting Every Month. This includes a short world description about it's current state, a map that shows useable regions along the month, and a list of characters that might come handy knowing about.

In addition I want to make their joining easier with giving them tips and tricks on how to create a character, and how to make the first post.


It's not a small work, so what I'm aiming for at the moment is to create the vital descriptions of Valentine forest, and the active Characters next week, finishing until February.

Please tell me if you want to use some of your old characters in February, else they will be inactive and unusable. This doesn't mean that they will die or disappear without a trace from Kaelicious world, but they will have restricted role in the story. You cant use an inactive character
as your post's main actor. You cant use its viewpoint. If an inactive character has no good reason to be in the area of the RP (monthly region) then it will not be useable at all.

Every player shall have 1 active character every month. - The rule that you can use other player's active characters with their permission still remain.

Tell me what you think about these changes. Some too radical? Some wouldn't make enough effect in your opinion? Tell!
 

Imadori

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Bern, are you referring to me? If that was directed to me, my answer is: "It can't be helped". I believe I already told you my reasons 6 months ago. That's 100% truth me being busy IRL. No point lying to a person on the other side of the world. I tried being an active member, yeah, at least I tried. But if that's what I get from trying, then I think I wouldn't want to be here after all.
Always have time to play, loves to write, good in English. Stop expecting people who comes here to be on the same boat as you. That doesn't help for getting active members.

I'm wasn't referring to myself when I said 'newbie'. I hardly consider myself as one, being that I'm doing this for 4 years already.
I'm talking about the people I saw joining, then saw leaving. It's natural that they'll feel out of place if no one's giving them enough attention. Whatever the hell that means is up to you to figure out. I can see you wouldn't agree with me even if I try to explain.

I'm just giving suggestions and my opinions as a lurker, please stop making it personal. If you think my blabberings aren't any helpful, then just tell me to stop.

Thanks for listening Kari!~ ^ ^
 
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