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GangSta RAP

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Dark Master, Apr 4, 2009.

  1. arafor

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    Add some beats to it and some melody and that might just be rap I mena I might not liek YOUR particular rap but that doesnt mean their aint good rap out there.
     
  2. Grog50

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    99.9% of the music I listen to is not rap, mostly metal. (see grog50?s Music Profile ? Users at Last.fm , this is my lastfm)
    HOWEVER, as of late I have taken a liking to Tech N9ne. When i listen to any rap i feel pretty damn sick though. =D
    I like quite a lot of music however, so my opinions are probably not shared. I at least can recognize that some rappers have a lot of talent. ONLY some though.
     
  3. Dreadnought[dA]

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    Ok so maybe some people are good with words, I still don't see any musicianship. Poets are good with words (well some are) but they aren't called musicians. Tons of songs are based on poems, but you don't call the poet a master musician.

    Rap isn't music. It's people thinking being stupid is being cool. I'll admit Metal doesn't really have much better lyrics on average, but at least they have good guitar playing! You either get rape, crime, drugs, and sex, or you get war, drugs, sex, and fantasy. With rap you get no instrumental talent, but with metal it's 90% instrumental talent.
     
  4. Ham Ham

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    Rap cant be called a music. You just make a beat, and remix it in a music mixing program. After that, you put some things like "yo,yo, I'm a gangster, I have all the bitches and you suck because I'm rich yo! yo!"

    Ever heard about Melodic/Power Metal? Bands like Hammerfall, Helloween... They have pretty damn beautyfull lyrics.
     
  5. Grog50

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    Thats like saying abstract art isnt art. Anyways I can see everyones point on how how its not melodic or anything, but saying it isnt music is not fair.


    QFT

    The lyrics below are to "obzen" by a band called Meshuggah. They are very prominent in the world of metal. Dont even try to tell me this isnt poetry


    A state of perfection, immersed in filth
    Equilibrium obtained
    Pure in devotion to all things unwell
    This sweet zen of our ill condition sustained

    A new belief-system
    Salvation found in vomit and blood
    Where deprivation, lies
    Corruption, war and pain is god

    Balance
    Harmony found in the sickly, the vile
    Unflinching eyes, joyous and gleeming
    Intense in their need to watch things die

    A new belief-system
    Salvation found in vomit and blood
    Where deprivation, lies
    Corruption, war and pain is god

    Decay, disgrace, disgust - our state of zen

    The grime of contempt and degeneration,
    Sticky, foul and pungent
    - The sediment of our creation
    We flourish in this bloodred soil
     
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    Bad choice, Meshuggah is one of the most impressive band... musically-speaking, for they use ternary beats mixed my normal one yet always manage to groove. So yeah, they're proeminent, mainly because they rule. They have an unique science of groove.
    Those lyrics ain't uninteresting also, but the "gore" thing is pretty obvious, and even if it is used as a shock factor of the contrast, it's not easy to go through it if you're not used to. Well, elitism is not a huge drawback.

    Oh and comparing "metal" and "rap" = stupid. It's not the same kind of music, expression culture, aim, target, world. As I said before even though I'm what most of sheeps would call a "metalhead", I enjoy some rap artists (none from that "gangsta" rap joke). I don't listen to them for the same reasons I listen to metal, industrial or such.

    This said, I do not condone any of Ham Ham arguments you quoted, because the "it is not music" stuff is not interesting (ANYTHING is music, for music is just a bunch of sounds and does not mean anything) and because power metal lyrics usually make me laugh.
     
  7. Grog50

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    Meshuggahs "Gore" thing is no where near as retarted as Cannibal Corpses haha. Glad to know someone else gets meshuggah though. And how did you get elitism out of that?
    I wasnt trying to compare metal and rap if I did, because as you said thats extremely pointless.
    And of course power metal lyrics make you laugh, thats why they are so awesome.
     
  8. Dreadnought[dA]

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    LOL HELLOWEEN? HAMMERFALL? WTF They have terrible lyrics. And this melodic/flower metal crap sounds all the same. They try to sound epic or mysterious but they all fail. There are very very few power metal bands I would consider great. Iced Earth, Tad Morose are ok, &... Maybe a few Iron Maiden songs. I used to really like Firewind, but every one of their damn albums sound exactly the same.
     
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    Iron Maiden has no link with "power" metal, they did it before, and better. Some bands are still nice, like Iced Earth as you said.
    @Grog50 : I can get elitism out of anything :p
    Cannibal Corpse are not interesting for their lyrics but for their sound which is quite interesting. Thing is, most CC fanboys I've met are basicly like "LOL GORE AND SEX = AWESOME" and they don't really enjoy the music. Which is far less easy to "enjoy" that it seems, in my opinion, yet I still prefer their old albums (without corpsegrinder), with the exception of "Kill" which is amazing.
    I never really thought about reading power metal lyrics as jokes, thanks for the imput, I may even grow to like power metal, haha ;)
    Oh, that was a little off-topic, sorry. But there isn't really any musical thread out there, except that "what are you listening to" autistic thing.
     
  10. HappyTauren

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    Anyone heard about deathstars?
     
  11. Megafyr

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    Rap is FTW.

    I like all types of music, and even though some people manage to get a bad rep over their genre I consider that as a refreshing change and not necessarily bad.
     
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    You mean, listening to rap is a refreshing change or rap music is a refreshing change?

    Yes. But in that rammstein/oomph/deathstars stuff I prefer Turmion Kätilöt and KMFDM. "Blitzkrieg" is still a pretty solid track.
     
  13. Megafyr

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    No I mean like some people complain about newer rap artists destroying hip hop. That's just lame, things change.
     
  14. Dark Master

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    It`s true.
     
  15. xxdingo93xx

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    Hip hop is great.

    I mainly listen to hip hop, not rap.
    "Is there a difference?" Yup, there is. Hip hop has more tact and beats/bass then rap. So basically - I listen to hip hop you can dance on.
    I don't like german rap.
     
  16. X.e.r.e.X

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    I see a necro post?
     
  17. warden13

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    Rock or Alternative.
     
  19. syltman

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    Rap is awful becouse if you start to listen and like the music you'll start acting with the rap attitute. I always avoid rap.
     
  20. xxdingo93xx

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    That's nonsense. If it would be like you said, death metallers and alike should also act aggressive and violently like they sing. Dude, if you don't like hip hop/rap then say so, but don't say the outcomes are bad if you don't even know about that yourself.