Furbolgs vs Gnolls v3.2 [SM]

[Moderator]

14:24, 4th Oct 2008
Septimus: Constantly delete and re-upload map is a rules violation. use the update button in the future.

Edit : I set it to pending and let you off this time. In the future, please use the update button at this thread to update your map.

Update : I make a quick check and it seems to be ok for a approval, I would give it a better review when I have time. As for now, approve.

 

[Somaz]

A word from the map creator:
The new breath of the map started from v2.7, because it took a realy long time from 2.6 (forgot about the map). It had nothing special and one time I wanted to play it. I played it and though that it needs something new. And there it went - a lot of updates till v3.1 that made it great.

Some people just don't want anything new and after realising you need to "train units" in this map, just leave. Others ask for a rmk.

Now about the map - first, you need to play it a couple of times to learn what units and upgrades are there in the map for a race or both races. Once you learn everything (and there's not much to learn) you will REALISE all the possibilities and strategies this map has to offer.

After some ~5 games of the new 2.7 version there was a game where there were only 7 people (including me), so it was a 4v3. I told everyone that it's ok and I'm a pro and we can go 4v3, because I thought like: "I know this map's every possibility! I'll win for sure!". And I actualy LOST that game. Usually I'm not a strategical player. I knew the possibilities, but used pretty simple strategies like just training some units, doing upgrades and that's all...

Now after ~20 games I started to USE those possibilities. Now I believe I CAN solo 2 players and win.

The game is still fun to play, just roam arround, build defenses to protect points, but I'll tell you one of the advanced strategies I learned ^^

It can only be done for Furbolgs and I call it: The ULTIMATE backdoor

In the top-left corner of the map you can go into the forest and hide there. I use it to build a LOT of siege towers there, combined with a Hunter's Hall for more damage, while noone even suspects a thing. Then using 4-6 Sentry Totems to reveal their treasure box I win in 2-3 minutes. "They didn't know what hit them".

Counter: 1. Protect that spot. Send 1 skeleton there so you'll know when someone comes there. 2. Gnoll Catapults (if you didn't follow 1 and he already build siege towers).

 

[tom jones]

this map sucks

 

[Somaz]

To tom jones:

Some people just don't want anything new and after realising you need to "train units" in this map, just leave.

For all the others:
v3.1b released. A couple of bugs fixed, cost on some furbolgs units reduced !!!AND!!! the protectors for both sides are much weaker now (so you'll be able to win faster).

Have fun ^^

 

[varsaigen]

sounds interesting, but I can't host, so.... yeah.

 

[communist_orc]

this map sucks

Dude, wtf?
How about some more helpfull feedback?

 

[Somaz]

Check your firewall settings (and antivirus firewall too).

 

[varsaigen]

you really ought to keep it to one post. It keeps the mods off your back. And yes, my computer is set up for it, but it will never hist. The furthest I've gotten was being invited to a group battle or hosting a game that noone could join. :/

 

[Herman]

Seems original enough, I'll take a look at it at some point over the weekend. The only thing I'd like to know, is it done in GUI or JASS?

 

[Somaz]

I call it GUJass ^^

GUI with the use of local variables and Jass functions (I developed it myself).
To use local variables and Jass functions (that I make myself) I use custom scripts. Mostly this is GUI and all the memory leaks are removed + I use loops (with custom script).

Edit:
Map updated to v3.1c with very small balance changes.

 

[Herman]

Hmmm, I would suggest all JASS, but as long as you kill the leaks and don't use any lag-intensive functions, it should be fine.

I'm looking forward to seeing this

 

[Somaz]

I hate Jass, because you need to remember too many functions + why the hell make such things as map init and cinematics in jass? -_- Jass isn't god... If triggered right GUI becomes the same.

 

[pontus]

i tried it. its pretty good but i haven't got the time to test it online...

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[Herman]

vJASS = GOD!!!!

 

[Somaz]

Updated to 3.2 (improved income to make it more fun).

 

[Shoop Da Woop]

Its pretty good. I like the gnoll catapult idea. However, i think it has some balance issues, with gnolls being much stronger then furblogs. The gnoll behemoth is waaay overpowered.

 

[Somaz]

Well, then give ideas to balance stuff

And to beat gnoll behemoth, use Furbolg High Mage's ability - Energy Surge.

It deals damage equal to 30% of missing hp +200. So to a behemoth with 3k hp left out of 6k, it will deal 1160 dmg (and it will kill a 1500/6000 hp behemoth).

You can use multiple surges at a time (requires team work) to kill a 50% hp behemoth.
And behemots cost 2k gold

I found for myself, that they die pretty fast

Anyway, tell me what you think about the game ?
How would you balance behemots or other things?
Do you have any ideas about units/items?

And y - catapult is fun ^^ A bit imba against buildings though -_-

 

[Reedoxx]

cool map, i like it 4/5 =)

 

[baassee]

There are some break threws in this game, like the gnolls, rush with overseers, guaranted the best unit on the map with research, 50% bash FTW

Some gnoll workers, up with the building which decreases attack speed and you very often win.

Still that tactic takes some time to get resources but it works

Also one thing about the behemoths, can they one shot the treasure box? just wondering

Also I think it's perfectly balanced except that the furbolgs have so freakin many researchs to get better, especially in the start. So the gnolls are overpowered in the start with their uber towers with 1500 range and hunter hero with mana burn ww.

Do you have any ideas about units/items?

Most of the items are just scrolls of different kinds, well makes the game funny but maybe a neutral shop in middle wouldnt hurt?

 

[Somaz]

50% bash requires a lot of researches. lvl 3 weapons and then the gore (4 upgrades).

Building that decreases attack speed isn't built very often (even I rarely build it) that's the reason it's strong (it may be a bit imba, y).

About Behemots, I don't rememver if it's said in the tooltip (I believe it is), but it DOESN'T work on treasure boxes and outposts (works on everything else ).

As for the towers they are realy good, but Furbolgs can counter with the siege towers (2000 range). Don't remember how much did the siege upgrade cost (150-300?). Also, Furbolgs don't have to "build" towers unlike the gnolls do which makes it a bit more even.

I was thinking about 3 neutral shops on each side (left/center/right) where you could buy some permanent items, units, special things and ENEMY wolfs (so that you can kill them for xp ).

To balance heroes, I think I can buff Furbolg's items a bit (previosly they were a bit imba and people complained about it, so they got nerfed).

Right now imba things that I think exist in the game:
-Gnoll catapults are way too strong when they damage buildings (the 75 damage is SIEGE damage, I think it's 2x damage to buildings)
-Gnoll heroes are a bit better and if you feed them they become IMBA
-Vampiric Potion is a bit imba Lifesteal needs to be reduced to 25%
-Gnolls may be imba early game (I think that can be fixed by reducing their starting gold like it was before).


Some tips to counter ghouls that you most likely don't use:
Do NOT feed their heroes. Unlike furbolgs they become realy imba. Buy the teleportation devices (they cost about 50-60 gold and have 5 charges). Then when you see some of your units in the group is low on hp do this:
-Use teleportation device on it.
-Shift+left click on it's portrait to deselect it from the group.
-Ctrl+1 (or 2) to set the new group.

A shaman at the base is great to heal them.

THANKS for you reply

Just for the note: Right now I'm wokring on the nsl map (Naruto Shippuuden Legacy), so it may take me time to release a new version of Furbolgs vs Gnolls.
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