Founders of the North 1.15

[Drake0]

Few days before, you mention about Werewolf/Vampires transformation.
Observing how Werewolf and Vampires fight between themselfs i got a idea that would satisfy all rp lovers.

After transformation you would:

*Get new hero
*Lost all your building
*Get New tech tree(3-5 buildings) and new units.
*ALLY your new brothers against your enemies(Vampires VS Werewolfs)
*Unallied npc's similar to bandit


Problems:

*Noobs summoning calamity too fast - I suggests, to give calamits 20-30 min cooldown, and find other way to transform into Werewolf/Vampire then dying to Main Boss.

*I was forced to become Vampire/Werewolf becose of calamity - As i mention before, there should be other way of transformation then dying to calamity. Perhaps by quest or dungeon. Somethink that you can do in first 20-30 min of game. . .

*Main Werewolf is runing around map while Queen dont move from castle - I would change, that its not Boss Werewolf runing around map but a Captain or Son. Main Werewolf should be put, safe in cavern, becose of flying Vampires.

*Werewolfs can attack air - Werewolfs should be able to attack air.

*Npc Werewolf/Vampire killed enemy Boss :/ - I think that Countess should be put inside instance Bran Castle and Werewolf inside instance Werewolf cave(or sewerage). To prevent ending of curse too soon and other problems that this game had before(Countess is extremly hard to kill becose of Friezing Vampires spawning right behind her back, Werewolf is easy to kill).

*Im keep lossing base to enemies - make instance, big enough, so it can handle 10-15 buildings in it.


*(This is not required, but would be nice to had it on map) Im not happy, i want to go back normal or i need that to rp - After making special HARD mission with finding cure, you could go back to normal form.

So:
*Give Calamity cooldown
*Make Werewolfs be able to attack air
*Make quest/dungeon for turning into monster
*2 instances - 1 for each race, with main boss in it, and enough place for base.
*Make quest/dungeon for turning back into normal



Actually, only differences between this and bandits are way of getting, fight between races, and that you can go back normal (and ofc hero/units/buildings).
I guess some people would like to join Werewolfs and some Vampires so that would give us Epic battles between horde of monsters! Im open to criticism.

 

[Sifonseal]

Another massive release will be up once I’m done with a test run, enjoy ^^
Domasi Ill edit this post when you can get your hands on it to upload




Change log:
Version 1.08
-Weather effect (Rain/Wind etc…) no longer effect dungeons
-Improved terrain in Amarti Mine Caverns
-Increased cost of Town Tower to prolong earlier game period
-Added “The Widows Request” quest line to NPC Merin south of the Southern Town
-Relocated NPC Denti to the southern entrance of the Northern Town
-Added easy to use and very useful Goods Transportation system which creates transports to move items from various buildings to the Town Centre
-Added Location Obelisks to all Towns
-Added Founder’s Ledger to Founders to allow them to see progress of current quest
(You wouldn’t have noticed but only one repeatable quest can be active at a time)
-Fixed bugs and typos
-Altered tooltips to have increased noob-friendly…ness
-Added new Everwood Depths dungeon with more interesting creeps than ever before, as well as a special exploration/progression system within the dungeon
-Fixed massive issue with importing when not red player
-Fixed issue with pathing for some growing crops
-Fixed odd ramps in terrain at various locations
-Implemented balances for some of the imports, e.g. glass price will rise faster with demand and base price is higher too.
-Torch item can now set alight crops, trees etc more effectively
-All structures built by engineer now require Town Centre
-Changed massages to address inspiration as “Inspiration” rather than mana
-Added very helpful optional tutorial that explains the basics to new players
-Altered multiple locations to make them more spacious and town-friendly
-Several new items


Other changes I forgot to write down -__-‘, I’m sure someone will run into them

@Domasi
If you find ramps I missed at some point let me know, you have a good eye for this stuff

Next release preview:
This version actually has some really awesome stuff in it that is currently disabled, like an auto hunting system, auto looting, auto a lot of things, some parts of these systems still need some tweaking so I figured I would leave them to the next release.
Also there is an awesome system where you can hire yourself off as a mercenary to guilds for quests (As player made guilds currently don’t exits they will benefit non-existent guilds)
This will be out once I make sure noting messes up like with the importing in 1.07
1.09 Which will also come out soon will have a host of new items allowing you to customize the way your founder/bandit looks more than ever before.



Edit:
@Drake0
Sorry ill respond to your post in a sec




Later Edit:
The new version is ready to be posted, sadly we ran into a bug or two in the test run;
-Merin's Quests can only be done by player 1
-Skipping the tutorial caused bugs so this has been disabled

Ill have these two fixed in a day or so, sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[kykeka]

more ideas

I agree with most of Drake's post but I would like to see the calamities have a 10 or 20 minute timer in the beginning of the game and not a cooldown, preventing them from making calamities too fast shouldn't have to involve a huge cooldown on all of them just make it so players have time in the beginning before you can summon them

also on another note while hosting this game a lot people have been saying that this map should have a rename system and it would help with the rp a lot

and lastly bandits can't get masonry and wood harvesting upgrades past the first level because they require a town tower, I don't know if you fixed that or not just saying

 

[Domasi]

Ok first of all add a command or Escape key function to skip the tutorial cinematic; don't force people to watch it. Also after the cinematic ends the camera is in another place; set it on the player. And i think too that a rename system would be useful.

 

[Tleno]

Yes, becoming a werewolf or vampire and getting a new tech tree!
That would be just like becming and playing as bandit, but you have to be killed... well you know it all already...
And what about that idea I already said that this type of hero could get army by infecting NPCs, instead of just training them?

 

[Sifonseal]

@Drake0
Yea this certainly will be added but it might be a small while before I do get around to it as I feel I need to add quests and expand bandit play first as well as complete the new item and founder/bandit customizing system.
Seems lots of people got into the idea ^^

@Kykeka
Yea calamities can be started too early, ill make them only available after some time.
Yes I’ve noticed too that re-naming is much needed, will be done in a sec.
As for the bandits not being able to get the masonry upgrades and such this was intentional.

@Domasi
The ability to skip the tutorial video is much needed, the way I made it thought caused issues when it was skipped, like it says in the known errors it was disabled becaused of these weird errors, ill fix it up very soon, sorry for the inconvenience.
As for rename, very important too

@Tleno
Yea as werewolf/vampire founder thing, you wont be able to train units at a base (doesn’t mean you wont have one for other uses)

 

[darkmuch]

PLEASE READ THIS: Im not sure if anyone else has this happen but when i check furum logged out i dont see my posts. when i log in thinking to repost my comment reappears. i feel like im going insane watching this.

if you wanna read my previous comment its on pg 10 halfway through

Bug Report: dieing in the amarti mine my screen got stuck in the dungeon (not allowing me to move screen out and select town tower or anything)with no way to revive hero at town tower. eventually i was forced to ask someone to kill my town so i get revived as a bandit.

Ideas: i think a renaming system would be great cause i feel normal warcraft names kinda take away from RP. a way of pinging the awakenings and calamities after they're started would be helpful. a pinging system for mines would also be wonderful(i constantly lose track of where the mines are).

 

[Tleno]

Like hiding/upgrading/producing items?

 

[keaponlaffin]

Looking great, can't wait to try out the new version. Love this game. Where does everyone play? I sometimes host it on my clan's bot (clan lows) but the version on that one hasn't been updated.


I have a lot of suggestions lol. This game just has so many possibilities, and I love how responsive your being to fans, not like some map makers I know.

Grape vines should have inventory that fills with grapes (like mines fill with ore). This is because the grapes inevitably spawn just behind the vine where their almost impossible to click on, and there's so many of them, it just becomes extremely tedious.

Allow players to sell goods to caravans, saving a trip to town. However caravans give a worse price for goods, and to get a good value on some higher quality items organizing a trip to town should still be necessary. Since you already have trade values that are different from display price, it shouldn't be too radical to implement.

If a caravan route is attacked more than 3 times the next time guards should spawn with the caravan, and prices on goods should increase with every subsequent attack. That way there is actually an incentive for regular players to guard the trade routes, it hurts them economically. If a route has not been attacked in a while, prices should slowly stabilize. If this could possibly affect market prices as well, that would be a bonus.

Things bought from caravans should be sold at a different price than at town, possibly a higher price, sometimes a lower price, depending on location.

Caravans automatically travelling to player's towns should sometimes have useful items other than bread.


Is it possible for items that are sold at market or to caravans to somehow be purchasable by other players?
Maybe a thrift store or pawn shop?

Boss item drops should either be made less powerful, or more unique. I had a case where one guy stacked all his elite horsemen with blood swords and raped my entire army. Perhaps certain items can be carried by heros only?

Horses should be purchaseable in town, for a hefty price.

New horse type: the nag. Scraggly little four legged creature, but still faster than walking. Mountable by lesser units and founders up to level 6, but elite units cannot mount due to the weight of their armor. This is especially useful for the slow trade rep, who actually becomes useful when mounted. He should also gain an item slot when mounted. Recruitable from barnyard.


Horses should initially be a herding animal, like sheep. They must be herded for them to grow and become adults.

Horses should also be a sellable commodity, both in town and to other players. (via a "sell" button, click it on the market, or a "give to" button, click it on another players unit and control will be transferred.


Disable resource trading screen (f11). Gold coins should serve a purpose now. It opens up new bandit gameplay possibilities when one has to send a pack horse loaded with coins across the map.

Gold storage should be improved. It makes no sense to have a pack horse holding on to my life savings when there is a perfectly good castle/towncenter/towntower/storehouse. And buildings should realistically be able to hold more, not less, items than units.

I was also thinking of a system where a certain amount of gold can be safely held in non coin form depending on your level of development. A town tower holds 500 gold, a town center 1200, and a castle 3200. Corruption should only affect gold that is above that limit. So if I have a castle, and I have 10,000 gold in my magic bank account my weekly financial statement is: (10,000 - [500+1200+3200])*0.05=
255 = Net Loss due to corruption. With these adjustments an increase to the percentage loss due to corruption may be in order. Mostly this feature is meant to give players some breathing room, especially for transactions made just seconds before the trade/corruption update, and because there is no countdown timer that would allow them to predict this. Also add timer plox.

Handling of ores should be improved. When a player comes to my base and asks for 100 silver ore, and I have 268 silver ores, I have no way of dividing that up. Maybe the mine could have a "drop" button that brings up a dialogue for different amounts.

Store houses still need an inventory (or are you already planning to fix this). They should also have more transportation options, such as "transport items in slot 1 and 2, or 1-3, 1-4, etc. to allow for faster transport.

A new building: The town square. Replaces town center as ultimate destination for store house caravans. The problem with the system as it is is that the town center can be used for one of 2 things, gold storage or item vector. If it is storing gold the transported items will appear next to it, sometimes behind it, invisible or impossible to click on. The town square solves this problem by having no inventory, just being a large open space for items to be dropped in a convenient location where they can easily be seen and picked up.

 

[Erkowich]

Seems the map desyncs a lot
And i wondered if you ever thought about expanding map size, cause that would add a "bigger" feeling to the map, atm you can reach most areas pretty fast. So there is not much adventure in the map so to say. But it's just a thought, but mainly you should take a look at those desyncs. Cause more people had been experiencing those, and A LOT it seems like. We tried to host it like 5 times, every game at least 2 ppl desynced. And it's not about the people hosting, there is clearly something in the map, but dunno what.

 

[The Pale King]

Have you thought about changing the price for wooden fences to just cost wood? (instead of gold and wood.)

unless of course the founders build golden fences, ah, opulence at its best.

 

[Sifonseal]

@Drakmuch
Huh weird I didn’t notice your post before, I think there is an issue with posting on these forums because your not the first person to have that happen, I’ve seen new comments appear at random and I always figured I had just over looked them.
Thx for finding that bug, I actually noticed it my self when testing at some point but completely forgot about it.
The vassalage idea in your previous comment is great; it should fit nicely into the game play of FOTN

@Tleno
Something of the sort yea

@Erokowich
I haven’t the slightest idea what would cause that dcing issue, the only possible answer I can think of is the use of a player for wolves, this could cause all players beyond grey player to get some weird bump down and possibly dc, or could cause a player to be referred to incorrectly in a trigger (Even if that were so I don’t think I’m using any triggers that would or could cause a player to leave).
I’m stumped

@The Pale King
Did you ever stop to think that maybe they pay a fee to put up the wall >.>?
Under the Natural preservation act of the north, passed “god knows when” (Maybe not actually) all founders are expected to pay a fee for the construction of all: “Architectural partition with a height and length greater than its thickness; used to divide or enclose an area or to support another structure”
All bureaucracy of the north aside, good point, Ill make the first wooden wall cost only wood, although you might as well just use the Pike Barricades for wood only cheap and very effective walls. (I’ve noticed its over looked by too many people just because the founder can build it)

 

[Bl4ck L3g10n]

Mount horse ability says I must target enemy unit

 

[Tleno]

Forgot to say, but it seems you can't target yourself with beer, it can target only enemy units...

 

[Sifonseal]

@Black Legion and Tleno
Ah oops not sure how I over looked both of those, and yea I changed the mount when I moved it into the inspired acts skill book, ill fix it up next version

 

[Erkowich]

@Erokowich
I haven’t the slightest idea what would cause that dcing issue, the only possible answer I can think of is the use of a player for wolves, this could cause all players beyond grey player to get some weird bump down and possibly dc, or could cause a player to be referred to incorrectly in a trigger (Even if that were so I don’t think I’m using any triggers that would or could cause a player to leave).
I’m stumped

The map often desyncs within seconds or a minute. During the cinematics. Also, my second question: "And i wondered if you ever thought about expanding map size, cause that would add a "bigger" feeling to the map, atm you can reach most areas pretty fast. So there is not much adventure in the map so to say."

 

[darkmuch]

Bug Report: I've had issues in game where people d-sync and still remain able to talk and move around in the same game. i first noticed like 4 games ago when i was trying to trade hides with someone and they got really angry at not paying them for the hides when i kept giving them $ and eventually coins out of desperation. we had d-sysnced and it was like a parallel universe in their game and mine. my past game me and a freind stayed on same server and we didnt realize that everyone else but us d-synced so we thought they were noobs not building bases and such. yet when we talked to them they said they had a sprawling base that and said WE were bandits killing ppl!?!?!. me and him had huge bases and armies killing all the awakening bosses, not a bandit... i wish i had more ways to test this but i believe its happened to many games.
I also tried mounting an enemy's riderless horse and it told me the spell had to be used on friendly units, wtf? i tried that already!

Spelling error: Burning soul spelled buRIng soul- the sword drop from enraged bear

Questions: when you beat the last ice renevant in amarti mine's is there supposed to be some reward or just a happy feeling? same for everwood forest dungeon, what am i supposed to do after i beat the mountain giants in everwood forest? the terror shard dropped from first ice renevant in amarti mine i have no idea what its for.

p.s. i went on today not logged in and saw my all my comments, dont know why it works now.

 

[Sifonseal]

@Darkmuch
Wow thx heaps, now I know what this de-sync issue is about and can find a way to fix it, I head about this happening before, seriously thx.
As for the lack of boss drops as I’ve mentioned the dungeons are both only half finished, each of the creeps within a dungeon is meant to have a chance to drop chests, which work like the chests that drop off Awakening bosses, I’ve already started work on the massive amount of items you can obtain from these chests, I just figured Id release these half finished dungeons as a sneak peak.
As for the fact that the bosses don’t drop anything … yea its coming too, and the mountain giants are far from the bosses for Everwood Depths, that one will be similar to the Forgotten One from the actually war 3 campaign.
Also thx for finding a typo that has been over looked for far too long…
The drop from the Terror in Amarti mine is used for Merrin’s quest line, she can be found south of the Southern town (Sadly I think this is only available to red player, it also yield no reward aside from a key to the mine boss (Similar to the other quest line, there is a good reason for having two of these))
The mounting is apparently bugged in this version… which saddens me greatly to have released it.

Edit: Actually you can use the Stone Guardians to kill other creeps, or to hold off the Keeper, they won’t last long but its fun to see creeps fight creeps.
If you don’t know what The Keeper Of Everwood is you probably cheated when running through Everwood or got lucky and didn’t run into it.



@ErokoWich
Yea actually I have expanded the map already but I cut it back down to the same size when I though about the extra lag that would be affiliated with a map size increase, as more animals would need to be placed to fix issues with hunting etc… also the difficulty of calamities and such would also be greatly effected, furthermore the traveler walking system (The little people that walk about) would need to be expanded which might cause unbalances in the population of passengers along each of the four main road and the other side roads (Will effect bandits). I would also have to increase the number of these walkers, keeping in mind that there already exists over 150 animals at one time 50 walkers, uncounted amounts of caravans, when a calamity begins there are usually a great deal of extra units added on top of this, along with player units which mass up more than you think.
I figured I wouldn’t want to cause FOTN to be spoilt by lag. I have however kept these map expansions saved, if people think I’m acting out of paranoia and insist I expand the map, who and I to refuse ^^

 

[TomiTomo]

hey i have an evilll suggestion >=)

what about adding an NPC unit that can be paid to kill/harass/sabotage certain player ?

just like the travelers, they wander around. the more we pay, the more they will do to the chosen opponent.

example:
pay (250) - scout for the player
pay (500) - kill some of player's unit
pay (2000) - kill the player's chickens
pay (3000) - set a bomb beside one of the player's building (maybe 1000-1500 damage over a medium area is balanced?)
pay (5000) - poison the player food supply, causing some of the soldier/worker to get a small disease and deprive fighting capabilities ( unable to score critical, slower aspd & mspd, decreased attack power, just like normal wc3 "Cripple" )

those are just random shoot of amount of money and random thing i brainstormed. maybe instead of traveler these NPC will be in a guild ? like u said earlier, BANDITs guild ? >=DD

 

[Tleno]

Actually Bandits could have some kind of agents that could do anything for money, but I think doing stuff like this would be more by yourself, you know, having special units for that...
Oh and talking about the bomb... Leonardo should definetl sell those. For destroying defences of enemy player.

Oh, one more idea.
Maybe founders should have more inspired actions?
-Like if you'll have build more than X of buildings, you'll be able to every X seconds quickly reapir a target building... kinda like a heal for mechanical units of some kind... or maybe instead of that have an aura that increases the armor of surrounding buildings?

-Also, X killed bunnies could give you an aura that prtoects your croops from them. Just a suggestion.

-And what about if you killed one non-bandit player, you'll get some powerful combat ability? Like kinda like Tauren chieftain's resurection ability, it would allow you to be reborn every X seconds. But would cost inpiration. Yes, you can make this ability cost mana.

 

[Erkowich]

I don't think some extra units would cause lagg in this map, i know maps that are a lot heavier that don't lagg at all. And since the map is rather simple when it comes to amount of units and so on, and the map size is not that big. You could expand it a bit without worrying about lagg.

 

[Sifonseal]

@TomiTomo
Yea is a great idea and will definitely be instilled both the Bandit and Mercenary guilds, ill give an explanation of this whole guild idea in a later post.

@Tleno
When FOTN was originally made along with guilds and many other fine aspects that are yet to be added, was the idea that you would be able to make gunpowder with sulfur, it’s a shame something this simple hasn’t been added yet, the gunpowder would have been used to train various gunpowder units and build cannon towers as well a make explosives at the Alchemist guild, this would be the bomb you were talking about, soon as I find time, ill add these little details.
And yes more Inspired acts need to be added to the Founder, but also new abilities for the Bandits need to be added first, they have been fairly neglected lately.

@ErkoWich
Well why not then, sadly I want to release one version really fast before I do release one with the extended map, to fix all these little issues, after that, hopefully on the weekend I should be able to add the extension as well as some larger fixes.
Bear with the unsuitable video till then.

Edit: When this was posted it displayed as comment 168, while there should be 170 comments, this probably means two comments were over looked by me because of some issue with the forums.

 

[i love DKs]

i like the map

 

[Erkowich]

You can take any time you need. But i hope you are taking the Desyncs seriously, cause it's affecting A LOT of players, and it's probably something to do with the cinematic.

 

[The Pale King]

Have you thought about adding a defensive aura to stone walls? something like the devotion aura, but with a small aoe, like 100 so that the unit would need to be very close to the wall to get the buff.

 

[Tleno]

1000 would be bigger effect area than original aura... 200-400 should be fine if you actually would make something like that...

 

[keaponlaffin]

@sifonseal - you might have missed my extra long post here: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/founders-north-1-08-a-170927/index11.html#post1663942

@Erkowich - I've never had problems with desync. If your using a bot can you tell us what synclimit your using and what latency?
The first time I hosted the game with my clan's bot, it was a disaster. The bot is optimized for low latency (warlocks clan), and the latency needs to be set in game or in the lobby. I didn't set the latency in the lobby and as a result everyone had to wait an hour for the opening cinematic to finish in bullet time. The usual latency is 20 ms, but for FOTN I increase it to at least over 100, with a synclimit of 1000 (a synclimit over 1000 causes massive lag in maps with alot of triggers and units). That usually works well for me.

Also @ sifonseal heres a few suggestions I forgot to mention in my previous post:

I think that gameplay should be more rewarding for players who focus mostly on econ and town management. At this point players who pve almost exclusively from the first half hour or so acquire stacked uber heros, whereas a primarily sedentary player may have a billion gold coins but get his butt kicked every time one of the pvers shows up.

For starters there could, in addition to the trivia (which is awesome btw), there should be votes on different player rankings, such as who has the most beautiful town (special item awarded), who has the ugliest looking town (if voted ugliest town, has to pay a fine), etc.

While were at it there should also be tournaments from time to time in which players can participate for a fee and fight against other contestants to win a prize. There should also be an option to have duels in the arena at any time, this gives econ players a chance to level through friendly pvp. Units killed during tournaments respawn at the end of the tourny.

There should be an option to be a bandit from the start (instead of having to wait 10 minutes to commit suicide), for those players that want to play as bandits. The only restriction being that bandits cannot attack other players (conversely other players cannot attack bandits) until 20 minutes in game have elapsed.

 

[Sifonseal]

@Keaponlaffin
Great suggestions, I’m in a bit of a rush, ill edit this post with detail soon
(Like I said in the above post it seems your post didn’t load for me the first time through, I’m not sure why Hive is doing this)

Again this post is 174 for me, while there should be 176, two posts missed somewhere...Repost post if I haven’t responded to please

 

[darkmuch]

@keeponlaffin
i think the reason your previous comment didnt show up on pg11 is because theres an issue with ppl who join not having their post able to be read immediately. i noticed this with mine where as i mentioned earlier i could only see post when i logged in. i noticed this cause yuor join date is august. i assume that now that a couple of days has passed we'll be able to see your comments when you post them.
i like your idea for the caravan timer btw

if anyone at the forums has a bot that could host fotn constantly i would LOVE them!

ya the ability to go bandit should be offered earlier cause i know many ppl who whine their ass off until the time for bandits come. and players who stay founder, you SHOULD guard the trade roads cause bandits tend to be asses and will take potshots at your traders

 

[takakenji]

merchantism is OP

or i'm just really good

i can get over 10k in like the first 10 min

 

[keaponlaffin]

@keeponlaffin
i think the reason your previous comment didnt show up on pg11 is because theres an issue with ppl who join not having their post able to be read immediately. i noticed this with mine where as i mentioned earlier i could only see post when i logged in. i noticed this cause yuor join date is august. i assume that now that a couple of days has passed we'll be able to see your comments when you post them.
i like your idea for the caravan timer btw

if anyone at the forums has a bot that could host fotn constantly i would LOVE them!

ya the ability to go bandit should be offered earlier cause i know many ppl who whine their ass off until the time for bandits come. and players who stay founder, you SHOULD guard the trade roads cause bandits tend to be asses and will take potshots at your traders

Its probably an anti spam thing, no big deal really.

I host the game on my clans bot at Clan LoWs, username: HornyTheReaper. I'm most likely to be on saturday/sunday/monday nights. There might be a couple other people who play it in the clan and someone might be willing to host it, but I can't vouch for what happens when I'm not around. At any rate its important to be respectful of the games in progress. Hosting a large map like this can cause horrible lag, especially with alot of players downloading. General rule is if someone is having a 1v1 don't host. I usually up the latency to 100 or 200 depending on open game slots, to be respectful of other players.

 

[hostail]

An Awesome game, i have played this lots of times whit my friends and they all loved it.
But, in the game one of my friends has only a white screen he says, the buttons and all such is normal, but the center part of the screen where the actually action of the game is at is white (sorry if you cant understand what i mean, i got a bit problem to explain and such) but otherwise its an really awesome game, but i have yet to play the bandit side of it.
Oh right, forgot to add, The Mount spell for the hero doesn't work, it says that you have to target an enemy unit.
5/5!

 

[Sifonseal]

@keaponlaffin
(Looting Grapes etc…)
Grapevine and Apple Trees as well as no longer need to be looted individually, in the next release the is a Gatherer’s Post which will auto loot 2 set items.
Other locations to sell may be added soon, but in the latest version I’ve added auto sell ability to the Town Centre which works in a similar way to the Transport Goods ability and will sell the item held by the Town Centre to the set closest town
As for the caravans effecting trade good prices, yes ill see how I can go about implementing that ^^

(Sell/Buy items (Pawnshop))
A new building called a Market Stall will be added soon that allows you to sell items to it; these items can then be bought by other players.

(OPed artifacts?)
Well if he was actually able to get his hands on that many Dark Age Literatures he deserves that power, still mounted elites with 100 defense and attack with double Blood vengeance is a scary prospect. Ill change it so that its one weapon only for all units not only heroes. (Not in 1.09 version but in 1.10 remind me if I forget)

(Horse commodity)
Yes horses will be purchases able at a special location, this will be the same place you do the quest to gain the mounting ability as well as quests to increase your riding skill
(Will also be added in 1.10, probably wont need reminder)
Yea a secondary mount sounds like a good idea, but I fear it might cripple the file size due to a mass of new models. (It’s surprisingly hard to keep file size down)
Actually its funny you should say that, when FOTN was originally made, horses Were a sellable commodity and they were also obtained by taming wild horses that roamed around like other animals, this seemed a little odd thought and it made it very annoying to obtain mounted units. Like the idea about herding horses.
If people can help me think of a way to slot in a horse commodity system without making it difficult to obtain essential mounted units like the Pack mule id be glad to do it, after all the idea of FOTN is to provide a game with many complications and different approaches but still allowing access to all of this with the greatest of simplicity, making it not only noob friendly but smooth and simple but still very deep.

(Coins for trade)
Rest assured this will certainly be done, but coins already have the use of stopping corruption, although most people over look the need for them not realizing that the “weekly statement” only displays the last lost to corruption (Which is clearly stated) and not all the losses over that period (This is because it is hard for people to measure corruption within their society, no that does not mean I couldn’t make a trigger for it)

(Invent slots for structures)
Grain silos have a 6 slot invent, the tooltip advises that this can be useful, regardless your point is valid and some structures have now got increase invent (Most are still left with 3). For invent space using Grain Silos is still the best method.

(Corruption Threshold)
Not a bad idea at all, ill get around to it (Probably in 1.10, remind me if I don’t ^^)

(Item Splitting)
Yes this is a very annoying issue; ill add a command to split any item stack carried by your founder to any number you input

(Store House Invent)
Well it did have an invent I don’t remember why I removed it, I think it had something to do with issues when upgrading it while holding items, it also used to be able to load units. (These will probably come back)

(Transportation Issues)
Well actually I didn’t think this was an issue since you can simply move the items around in the building, Ship slot 1, move slot 2 to slot 1, ship slot 1 etc, and you don’t often ship items off so I don’t see the need to complicate this system. (A new skill has been added that will sell items held in slot one of the Town Centre to set town automatically, in a similar way to transporting goods)

(Town Square)
A new building will soon be added that will sell coins instead of the Town Centre, this will take some of the item holding strain from the Town Centre, this new building the “Market” or something of the likes will serve many roles in the patches to come

A long post for a long post ^^ Keep these great suggestions coming, its always a great help





@ErokoWich
(De-sync)
I think I found the source of the initial server splits and took care of it, if these splits happen long after the game has started there is another issue and I will fix it in the next patch (I know what this issue could be but it would take some work to fix it)




@Takakenji
Merchantry is not cheap, it is simply less and less effective the more you do it, this means that if you are the only player who knows how to do it in the game, then yes it would make it seem cheap ^^, help the noobs out so they wont be noobs long.




@darkmuch
Yea I think your right




@hostail
Glad to hear you like it, the issue your friend is experiencing is probably an issue on his comps end, I haven’t heard of such an issue before. Any suggestions you have or bugs you find always help though, you never know you might be on to something ^^

 

[Hero_Lief]

Hello. I'm here asking, is there anything special you've done with this map for optimization? Because while it works in Windows, it does NOT load in Linux. I've attempted many fixes, including force rendering in DirectX instead of OpenGL, playing as different colors, and more, but to no avail. I'm amazed, personally, because I played it one night and it didn't have any problems, but they're only popping up now. The real problem is that textures/shaders do not appear, making EVERYTHING white. You can't even tell what's a tree, what's a building, what's a unit... It's horrid, really. There's one last test I'm going to do, and then I'm gunna give up, which sucks, because my friends really want me to play this with them.

 

[The Pale King]

*repost*

Have you thought about adding a defensive aura to stone walls? something like the devotion aura, but with a small aoe, like 100 so that the unit would need to be very close to the wall to get the buff.

 

[Sifonseal]

Version 1.09

@The Pale King
Yea that’s not a bad idea; it would add a nice touch to the siege warfare and make it even harder to assault someone’s fortress. Another great contribution, thanks.

@Hero_Lief
I haven’t used any strange methods of optimizing the map as far as I know, there shouldn’t be anything in the map that would causes textures to bug like that, it might simply be your texture settings, if not it might be related to your graphics card, sorry to hear this is causing this much of an issue for you.



Version 1.09 Is Here!!

Change log:
Version 1.09
-Precautions taken to fix server splits experienced in previous versions
-Tutorial Video now skip able by typing “-skip” before it begins
-Fixed camera issue caused when you die in a dungeon
-NPC Merin’s quest line now available to all players
-Castle and other structures given more invent slots
-New Gatherer’s Post building added to engineer
-Gatherer’s Post will auto loot two set item i.e. they will automatically be picked up once they are created. These items can be set by placing them in invent slots 1 and 2 of the Gatherer’s Post
-Expiration Timer added to Goods Transports
-Fixed bugs with mounting Founder
-Minor fixes e.g. changed hotkey of “Transport Goods” ability to G from T, removed hero glow from mounted elite archers
-Added New Item split system which allows you to split an item carried by your main hero in any slot to any given number e.g. “-split 1 10” will break 10 from the item in slot 1
-Added new naming system which allows you to rename yourself “-name [desired name]”
-Building info added to Inn/Brewery and Gatherer’s Post
-Trade goods can now be sold as an entire stack and do not need to be sold individually.
-Town Center can now handle Trade Goods
-Further extension of help guide (F9)



This patch has a lot of very useful changes, while it’s not big not “new content” it has a mass of useful new features and fixes that will make FOTN run even smoother, over all it’s is a must have improvement.
If someone find an oddity in the new trade goods system let me know, as far as I can tell it works fine.

Now just w8ing on Domasi to take notice ^^

 

[Hero_Lief]

I've rendered it in both DirectX and OpenGL mode, and tried all settings low/medium/high/max, and it's none of that... I don't know what it could be! I joined a game after a friend recommended it to me, and I fell asleep on the loading screen... Late night game sessions ftl. Anyways, when I woke up, everyone had left, was like noon the next day, but textures were there fine. It was a bit laggy so I decided I would rm it, and after then it wouldn't load. I have no clue what the problem might be and it's really starting to bug me...

 

[Sifonseal]

@Hero_Lief
Honestly I haven’t a clue either, aside from the mass of fade filters, there is nothing that would differentiate FOTN from any other map graphically, btw lol.

 

[Hero_Lief]

I also find it interesting to note that the 1.07 minimap image loads correctly, while in 1.08 it does not. That doesn't change rendering however as 1.07 doesn't work either.

I attached some screenshots of my issues, both in OpenGL mode (1 and 2) and DirectX windowed (3 and 4).

EDIT: Yes the whisper is from the friend who suggested it, no the cursors are not always like that, no I am not running 98, and no, the male villager's face is not screwed up, my screenshot program just didn't like him. D:<

It appears that the sky loads, the interface loads, and the custom model hero PORTRAIT loads, but nothing on the terrain itself... Strange.

 

[Sifonseal]

Its pretty clear that the only issue here is missing textures, does this ONLY happen in FOTN?

Edit: Btw Domasi use the second upload of 1.09 (1.09B) the first one has an issue

 

[Hero_Lief]

Yeah. It's the first time I've ever encountered something like this, in my 5 years of Warcraft III gaming, on Vista (friend's), XP, XP portable with almost no good hardware, and Linux... Someone suggested that they had this kind of problem occasionally, and a minimize/maximize fixed it. Doesn't for me.

 

[Sifonseal]

I realize that since the addition of the tutorial videos there’s been one issue after another involving them, therefore I’ve decided to alter the opening sequence in version 1.10 which should be done within a day or so.
Also it seems a fair few people have been signing up for membership on the FOTN official site, I guess this means I should add something special for them ^^, if anyone has a suggestion as to what that should be, I’d be glad to hear them.

@Hero_Lief
Sorry I’m not casting you aside, if someone more informed on such a matter could help Hero out that would be great, on my part I can’t see how a setting within FOTN could cause textures to die out like that, unless someone knows of a possible way of bugging a trigger to kill textures, which I haven’t heard of myself.

 

[Hero_Lief]

I'll ask around with some people more experienced, maybe they'll know.

 

[GONZALORD]

i think this map is awesome and the people who do it too 5/5 +rep for a hard work

 

[GONZALORD]

!IMPORTANT! I FIND A BUG
when you die in a dungeon, the camera stops and can't move the camera anymore its really bad cause i use the -cam command and can't fix the problem. if you can fix it in a new version i will enter the dungeon again cause i am scary about this small error 5/5
IT CONTINUES HAPPENING IN THIS VERSION 1.09 :C
You understand me?

(i continue loving the map)

 

[Sifonseal]

@GonzaLord
Thanks for the bug report ill fix it right away

 

[Hero_Lief]

Gonzalord, next time, use the "edit" button. It's there for a reason.

 

[keaponlaffin]

Nice changes Sifon. There's a few things that could be fixed in my opinion.

Grain silos still have no invent, so they can't be used to transport goods.

Also it would be great if buildings could have logical goods transport destinations in addition to just the town center. Like Windmill could auto send to bakery, mine to blacksmith, etc.

Baking goods could be made a little more rewarding, do you have plans for things such as pies that could be made with combinations of crops?

Can things like cooking meat in a fire, or baking goods or making wine be made autocast? I know that when I put items in I tend to dump a whole load of them and it takes forever to click through 100 stacks of meat when I really should be focusing on planting the next crop/fishing/whatever.

It would also be useful if places like guard towers, town towers, center, castle, etc. could load units. Especially during the night when some noob summoned covenant calamity.

 

[The Pale King]

Their seems to be an over spawn of npc villagers inside towns, anyone else getting that problem?

 

[GONZALORD]

i don't have that problem see if you have your grapycs too high cause its a big map
and if you have a good pc ;D

It would also be useful if places like guard towers, town towers, center, castle, etc. could load units. Especially during the night when some noob summoned covenant calamity.

SURE we need to hide our units in at least 2 estructures that is very important

@Keaponlaffin
(Logical Goods Transportation)
Good point, logical shipping locations will be added this very second

(Tired of clicking?)
When a good creation is initialed (Making bread with flour etc) it will continue repeat action until all the needed good is depleted (Will make as much bread as possible) this will not be done with the Blacksmith however as you might want to customize your orders.

(A Silo for what?)
Ah I didn’t notice that I had taken the invent off the grain silo, will be added right away (I think this was also because upgrading building that hold items wasn’t a great idea) If it dosent work out ill add a 6 slot invent to windmill.

(Get in the damn Tower!!)
Good point, towers will now be able to load units.



@The Pale King
Are you sure these “villagers” weren’t just werewolves who transformed back to people during the day time? If so instead of counting them you probably should have killed.

edit: GOOD JOB SIFON SEAL, KEEP WORKING, YOU ARE AWESOME!!!!