Forum Rule Clarification

[Ghan_04]

In order to clarify a rule that has been questioned of late, we would like to state that the rule applying to English-Only in the forums ALSO applies to Visitor Messages in individual profiles.

The main reason for this is that we don't want people to be able to come by and, for example, insult someone in another language so that they don't understand what was just said to them - this rule is primarily to allow everyone to understand everyone else and also to prevent flaming.

Thank you for your understanding.

Once again -

NO languages other than ENGLISH in profiles.

 

[Xarwin]

Well, I guess that's why we all have PM's !

 

[MasterHaosis]

I think that other languages in profile pages should be allowed.
But we all have Delete button in profile pages with reason... If you think someone is spamming just delete it and warn him that you want only English in your profile page. if he keeps doing that... well time for action.
I think even in case that non-English in profile pages are allowed, here should be rules that you cannot talk any language you want... You must talk language only which reciever understand
And we also must have rule that even in other languages we must follow general rules.
So what, I saw some people from Hungary for example talk on their language with their Hungarian friends, I saw people from Greece talking their language too, Serbians, Croatians, Bosnians and Slovenians on their languages too...
Al least profile visitor pages however public they are public but about specific person! So it means that they are also at some percent personnel pages. Man should decide if he wants other language in his profile... because it is his profile!
But it doesn't mean that he is allowed to talk about porn or any cracks, illegal things... general rules should be applied in profile pages, but other languages should be allowed, you cannot totally shut down people's freedom of speech...

The main reason for this is that we don't want people to be able to come by and, for example, insult someone in other language so that they don't understand what was just said to them - this rule is primarily to allow everyone to understand everyone else and also to prevent flaming.

I disagree with that main reason because at your logic you cannot control private messages too. if you don't understand other languages be sure that you wont understand that languages if someone report you private message.

 

[Elenai]

Private Messages can be reported I believe.

I don't care either way, I just deal with precedence, and how the rules are bent (in these cases). English, or Non-English is fine with me.

 

[Misha]

if i can't understand some language i'll just report it, and let the Guy who wrote it deal with mods

EDIT: why am i gifted with different language knowledge if i'm banned for using it =/

 

[MasterHaosis]

Yes PMs can be reported, but so what...
If someone, for example report you visitor message on Spanish language, you wont understand that (thats main reason because you posted that rule), but if someone report you same PM instead, then you will suddenly understand this?
One reason why is this rule stupid and doesn't have sense.

 

[InfiniteSeven]

何が起こっているのか？

Exactly what I'm thinking in the same language.

I don't clearly see the point of this rule, but I guess rules are rules.

 

[bounty hunter2]

I won't argue about it but I will just note that it is always nice to talk to my fellow country/neighbours in the language we all understand at our profiles. Oh well :/

 

[Mechanical Man]

This rule is idiotic. Each user is a moderator of his visitor messages and if he feels offended he can delete the message and ignore the author -.-

 

[MintJulep]

This (and all English-Only forum rules) seem a little silly to me, because presumably, the whole point of moderating flames and insults is to prevent users from being offended or filling the forums with their disputes. However, if an insult or flame is hidden in a different language that can't be understood, no one will be offended and it can't cause a flame war, and so the post renders itself completely harmless to the forums no matter what is actually said in it. If, on the other hand, the non-English insult or flame can be recognized and is causing damage, then it is as easy to moderate that message as any English message (due to the meaning now being recognized). Thus, to me it seems that these English-Only rules have no net benefit for anyone except moderators who would normally have to confirm non-English messages as flames.

 

[Zombie]

I agree with the people above. Non-English VMs should be allowed, you have the delete and report buttons for a reason. I don't think I've ever seen anyone talking non-english to another man who didn't speak the same language.

 

[VeljkoM]

That rule isn't useful.It only gets people upset because you are taking our right to be non-english.I can't pm someone all the time when I want to talk to him it is spamming my comp with emails and I don't like to clear every second.And vm are kinda privet so who cares what am say to my friend (ok not insults).I agree with all above me.

And by the way this means that now we can insult all people with other languages on PM because it is ok to use other languages there?

 

[s4nji]

How about Social Groups?

 

[Velmarshal]

Thank you for your understanding.

NO languages other than ENGLISH in profiles.

No I don't understand. Instead of doing something actually useful for the site like solving the maps section problem. Or getting more afillitates(or whatever).
You bother yourself with VMs which can be turned off or moderated and ignored.
Thats one opinion.
Disable albums,VMs, entire profiles and social groups for entire site and all the useless stuff.
Second one.
You guys are starting to disappoint me.

 

[-Berz-]

I think this is useless... I mean i learned much from from foreign language here at hive, speaking with Masterhaosis, Cmarket, etc, etc. It improved my language a lot.


And i have a little idea... There is a translator isn't it? So if someone is speaking in some foreign language in visitor message, he/she could notice in what language is it written, and you can simply use translator and I'm sure if someone is so interested whats it written, he/she could get the main theme what is written, dunno just my opinion.

 

[FrIkY]

Lamest. Rule. Ever. -_-

 

[Byaku]

I think non-English in VMs should be allowed, because people can disable VMs and can delete or report VMs, people can moderate their VMs.
I don't agree with this rule, because i can't speak English all the time, i usually speak with my fellow country in Indonesian language, to make them more understand about what I've say.

 

[Luckerguy]

This is a stupid Rule. I dont understand the point of that.

 

[Vicboy]

Yeah, come on guys, let's make the mods feel terrible on their jobs, I know that will help the hive!

 

[CMarket]

This is really a stupid rule, as all above already mentioned. Every user can delete a vm if he likes with 2 clicks. What's the big deal? Besides I was actually able to improve(by a bit though, but still) my French by using VM's for that. True, PMs can give the same effect, but there is a limit to how many PMs we have in our inbox.

Yeah, come on guys, let's make the mods feel terrible on their jobs, I know that will help the hive!

Mods and Admins are not flawless. I agree that complaining when the rule is good and helps is not alright but this is one of those rules that just exists for no good reason and has more flaws then virtues.

 

[Pyritie]

This rule has been around for a long time. Ghan is simply clarifying it.

 

[LiOneSS]

I have had cases with people talking crap in my profile in spanish and some languages I don't understand. Solution: report/delete. If people want to talk with the people from their countries, it should be allowed in VMs. It's faster, easier, better than PMs, especially to people involved with projects where mass PMs would just screw it up... Again: who doesn't like the messages they received can delete them, or simply disable their VMs.

 

[Linaze]

Agreed with LiO.
Things that are usually posted in VM's are not something important that you need to read and understand. If you don't understand the language, then just ignore it. For the people whose VM's are affected by these non-english messages, just delete them.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

This new rules seriously sucks.

I don't see why we shouldn't allow it.
If you think somebody is insulting you in another language, heck, translate.google.com should be enough.

 

[Gilles]

This is an English site. You will use English. End of discussion.

 

[VeljkoM]

All public talk is on English.Why can't we have our privacy?

 

[En_Fuego]

I don't remember what my post was, and because it was deleted (for the little Japanese I'm guessing?) I can't even remember where I stand in this discussion. I would like to say this one thing about moderating non-English posts though:

If the post is mostly in English and there is only a tiny bit in a foreign language, maybe you should just delete the foreign language lines and tell them to say it in English if they want it to be read. Then again, it's your discretion as a mod. What would I know being just a lowly member?

EDIT: You can PM in foreign languages, but if someone reports you for doing it, you will get in trouble. Just don't PM someone in a foreign language unless it's a positive thing.

 

[Velmarshal]

All public talk is on English.Why can't we have our privacy?

Democracy is a lie.

 

[Pyritie]

This site is not a democracy.

 

[Velmarshal]

This site is not a democracy.

I know that.
I meant all democracy is a lie.

 

[MasterHaosis]

This is an English site. You will use English. End of discussion.

First of all, this is just beginning of discussion if you notice that 90% of people don't agree with that statement.
Not all are from USA, UK or Australia, they have their right o their own languages in their profile pages because those are their profile pages. You should understand that in every law in every country stand that everyone is free not matter about color of skin, religion, sex or language which is he/she using. Well now you are discriminate people about using their won nature languages in their personnel profiles. In forums is one thing everyone should use English, but profile pages are second thing.
So what I wish to see how will you ban all people who continue to use their own languages in profile pages with their friends!
Seriously, I think that staff should work together to fix many problems here. First you should fix map section for example.
But no staff is famous here at doing non-important things...
If Ghan can't translate that is his problem, but his English is not imperious over other languages.

 

[Velmarshal]

First of all, this is just beginning of discussion if you notice that 90% of people don't agree with that statement.
Not all are from USA, UK or Australia, they have their right o their own languages in their profile pages because those are their profile pages. You should understand that in every law in every country stand that everyone is free not matter about color of skin, religion, sex or language which is he/she using. Well now you are discriminate people about using their won nature languages in their personnel profiles. In forums is one thing everyone should use English, but profile pages are second thing.
So what I wish to see how will you ban all people who continue to use their own languages in profile pages with their friends!
Seriously, I think that staff should work together to fix many problems here. First you should fix map section for example.
But no staff is famous here at doing non-important things...
If Ghan can't translate that is his problem, but his English is not imperious over other languages.

Haosis,

 

[Gilles]

All public talk is on English.Why can't we have our privacy?

You can. PMs are allowed to be in other languages.

First of all, this is just beginning of discussion if you notice that 90% of people don't agree with that statement.
Not all are from USA, UK or Australia, they have their right o their own languages in their profile pages because those are their profile pages. You should understand that in every law in every country stand that everyone is free not matter about color of skin, religion, sex or language which is he/she using. Well now you are discriminate people about using their won nature languages in their personnel profiles. In forums is one thing everyone should use English, but profile pages are second thing.
So what I wish to see how will you ban all people who continue to use their own languages in profile pages with their friends!
Seriously, I think that staff should work together to fix many problems here. First you should fix map section for example.
But no staff is famous here at doing non-important things...
If Ghan can't translate that is his problem, but his English is not imperious over other languages.

This is an English site. If you don't like it, leave.

 

[Velmarshal]

This is an English site. If you don't like it, leave.

Ralle is from England?

 

[HailFireer]

I am with thos 90% of people. I agree on English-only polacy in forums and elswhere, but profile masages should be aloved for all languages.
And if someone is flaming you you can report it, and then a neutral person could translate it for mods. And yes, I know its comlicated,but still.

 

[MasterHaosis]

This is an English site. If you don't like it, leave.

Who are you to order that? Shame yourself, this is problem, few of you people think that you are rulers over this place. I am dissapointed at you. Like Velm told already.
You see now why people want to replace staff now. Here you have such answers like that ,,If you don't like it, leave" but I didn't see that people listen that answer. I saw more problems cause of non-responsible staff who are trying to take away people from this site.

 

[Velmarshal]

And if someone is flaming you you can report it, and then a neutral person could translate it for mods. And yes, I know its comlicated,but still.

It's not complicated, it's stupid. It would cause even more chaos than now.
Only reported english posts should taken into review.

Best way to solve this is to remove the profiles like Wc3c.
Profiles are relatively useless.

 

[Xarwin]

This is an English site. You will use English. End of discussion.

Quote for truth.
That one line explains just everything, yet you all miss the point.
The website is here for everyone, but with the promise that you talk english.
The main reason is to make EVERYONE understand EVERYTHING around the website.
If you like to use your own language, you can use PM's for it, whispers, mailing, and so on!

Even though you can moderate your own profile, what if someone new visits your profile, and thinks what the heck?
Or, you want to report a flamer on your profile yet moderators can't read it? (some of you just could remove the message, but reporting is always a better option to keep the peace around)

if you like to talk in another language about warcraft and everything around then you should search such kind of website that is in that langauge, or allows you to talk in that language.

English = English, don't shit about it.

Even the very first LINE of the ENGLISH RULES, which are created for a long time, are telling it : The Hive Workshop is an English-only site.

English-only site.
Discuss what you want, you will not change anything since this rule exists.

 

[Nichita_00]

I agree, english only site in forums and public chat. But whispers and things... I can't PM so fast and I hate PM spam. I prefer english on the internet, but, for example (I hate speaking my own language) I find a guy speaking X language I'm learning, and I talk to improve it... What the heck, it's my profile, I can allow non-english on it -.-
Oh well, it's a site rule, I won't break it but I agree with the others saying we should be able to talk non-english.

 

[Deon]

Oh well... I won't argue the rule because I am new here but I find it a bit ... short-sighted (I don't want to use the word silly because I am almost sure the one who made this rule had his reasons I can't fully understand). There may be a lot of users which are bad at english but can help each other by chatting on native language -> it will give more dedicated people to HW and will increase the data flow and possibility to make new things.

Well, anyway there's always google.com which translates languages nicely if you're totally lost in someone's language... I for one like to see users speaking their native languages because it encourages me to learn further, but people in general are lazy these days...

OK, well, this rule is already working so I guess it's ok. Many other forums don't even have "profile chat" so users there are limited to PMs, so it's not a terrible rule. I am just a bit disappointed, but who cares...

P.S. I personally don't lose a lot because of this rule, I find it a bit annoying because it tries to limit me in aspects of some abstract "personal freedom", but in fact I lose almost nothing .

 

[VeljkoM]

Well this rule brings only chaos ans will bring flame wars and such.
This site is english and it will be.Everything PUBLIC is on english.
Profiles are privet and if I decide to write other language it isn't other people business.

With this rule you are taking our right to be citizens of our countries.You are taking our right to speak with our motherland language.You say use PM...well it isn't practical, it takes to long to have normal conversation.
And if you bother to look how many people think that this rule needs to be changed you will see that it is almost unanimous and some of them are respected users.And that is only minor opinion.If all people that uses their own language in vm see this thread, well you get the idea.Rules should bring order and not bring chaos like this one.Rules that do that are outdated and need to be changed.

And don't start with "this isn't democracy" thing.People have their rights and nobody on this site or even on this planet has the right to take it from us.If you noticed when entering this site it says that this is friendly community.
And now I ask you where is that friendliness?

I am not going to say that moderators are bad because I don't think so.You guy are human like the rest of us and you also obey this rules.
So open your eyes and see what is this rule doing!

Please people think what you are doing.(this goes for all).And also all please read what CMarket wrote.
Thank you for your time.

 

[CMarket]

Ok, guys, settle down. While I do agree that the rule is stupid some of you have taken it too far. Flamming each other, writing angry posts and so on won't make a change for the better.

The only thing you can do is write a smart comment, and if enough of us agree that the rule is unnecessary Ghan might change his mind and negate it, however, this is still Ralle's site and Ghan is acting on his behalf which we must respect because this site does not belong to us. Settle down, write a thoughtful comment with no flamming and be patient. A flame war won't bring any good, especially if you don't have any power to start with.

 

[FamousPker49]

So are the mods just going to randomly screen each and every profile for non-english vm's? Sure its an English only site but seriously the example given for this rule, There could be flamming and whatnot in another language is bogus. Is it really that widespread of an issue of this so called... Sneaky language abuse?

I fucking rofl as the ridiculous level of this site rises. I seriously was going to present an analogy but after typing and re-reading it I decided to delete it. This is all falling upon deaf and ill-informed ears.

 

[VeljkoM]

Interesting idea.How will they check 20.000 profiles because of this rule?And they would need to that many times.

 

[Sergeant Ray]

If your speaking the language with your friends, then I don't see how it's a big deal.

On the other hand, if someone you dislike or don't get along with comes into your profile, or rather a random person or even a friend, and begins to speak the language you don't understand then it could be considered a violation. At that point you can assume they are speaking down on you, but still, there is such a thing as TRANSLATIONS D:

Stop trying to limit people's ability to speak, damnit.

 

[Ghan_04]

I had intended to bring this to Ralle's attention, and it is possible that he will be in favor of allowing foreign languages in profiles.

My point here was to make understood how the rules stand now. Not to make new ones.
So, case in point: This rule can be changed.

 

[VeljkoM]

So you just wanted to remind us of this rule.Well I will respect it until it is changed.

But you say "had" intention?Did you change your mind?

 

[Numerion]

Why? Why? i am asking you why? its not really necesary...If someone tells you guten tag , you wont ban him...why? because you understand it...

So why we( non-english) countries have to use english if we understand each other?

 

[Sergeant Ray]

Thats my point, num.

 

[Xarwin]

I still don't think its a good idea to change though if it would be done.
Everyone will start talking in their own language, and I bet this will affect more.

Perhaps some language support forums is a good idea?