FAQ about who most stronger

[Lord_Disasthorm]

Who most stronger and powerful? Sauron or Lich King? Vote your choice here!

 

[BloodDrunk]

Who most stronger and powerful? Sauron or Lich King? Vote your choice here!

Who's the strongest and/or most powerful character in your opinion; Sauron or Lich King?
Share your thoughts here!
I had to, it hurts..

 

[Dr Super Good]

Sauron -> Killed by a hobbit and a volcano.
Lich King -> Killed by clan L33t consisting of badly dressed orcs.

Both seem so powerful...

I think neither are even close to Amon from StarCraft universe.

Let us see what each possessed.
Sauron -> Near endless army of easily killed orcs. A few butch ghostly commanders. And a large laser eye tower. His greatest weapon, a ring of power, was mostly not owned by him and eventually destroys him.

Lich King -> Huge army of easily killed undead minions varying from zombies to spiders. Has very loyal cultist servants. Has a very cold throne room and a bigish sword. Greatest feat include summoning the incarnation of pure evil (who was greatly nerfed to some random guy) and managing to kill a lot of generic humans. Dies to a team of dancing orcs.

Amon -> Is a member of the Xel Naga, a race inherently worshiped as gods. Possesses unknown and unimaginable knowledge. Was responsible for constructing a race of minions called the Zerg to do his bidding and kill off all other Xel Naga as well as billions of other lives. Had an immortal shape shifting servant who himself posses great power and knowledge. Is powerful enough to be resurrected back to life with enough energy. Has near full and absolute control over the void, a cosmic force of unimaginable power. His army consists of Hybrids, artificial creates made from combining two impossible to combine races that each are able to take down an army alone. Also has a cult of highly advanced alien "Protoss" who will happily die for him who possess advanced technology. His plan consists of using his Hybrid to consume the entire universe with the void granting him unimaginable power and has already been foreseen to be victorious if certain key events did not change (which they did as a result of the foresight).

Yeh so... yeh...

 

[saphiree]

Isn't the Lich King immortal?

 

[Dr Super Good]

Isn't the Lich King immortal?

So are Sauron and Amon. All of them do not age. However Amon being able to be resurrected from death is something that either struggle with. Sauron was never really killed, instead he became so weak that he was practically as good as dead. The Lich King I am sure was killed in a raid by some random players a few million times.

However Amon we have no idea why he died and all we do know that 3 games were/will be made to bring about an end to his schemes for universal domination.

 

[Chaosy]

The Lich King without a doubt. Sauron got defeated by one man by cutting of a finger, wow much powerful.

@DSG

I think it would be more fair to compare Amon with Sargeras.

@saphiree

depends on how you see it, they cannot age. But they can die.

 

[VeljkoM]

How about a better analysis of the competitors?

Sauron

Sauron: he is Maiar (thus immortal in every sense and is a demi-god not merely seen as one like some on this list) and so he existed before the world was created and thus was involved in 1st, 2nd and 3rd era and also will one day return for the finally battle. His solo career as master of evil started in second age and ended with third.

His armies consisted of "inherited" orcs and trolls from his former master but he did try to improve them further such as Mordor Uruks (only in films were Uruk-hai only Isengard army) and Ologo-hai. Next we have evil men of south and east from kingdoms/regions like Umbar, Harad, Khand, Rhun and so on. And you can also count the wights and Nazghuls (and as a stretch also kingdom of Angmar). Duo to the nature of evil in the setting for evil it is impossible to create and instead they can only corrupt what already exists so that is why Sauron didn't have more impressive forces (though if we consider when the story was made it was impressive for those days.). These armies were successful until Minas Tirit where they had the most spectacular loss ever which then followed losses on all other fronts like fall of Dol Guldor in Mirkwood (reason why elves in books weren't at Helms deep, they had their own battles) and also loss at Dalle (reason why dwarves weren't in lotr as they too had their own battles). Also despite popular portrayal Mordor has plenty of fertile lands to the south and east and has impressive industry for medieval age.

His best accomplishment remains destruction of Numenor with his mere influence. No small feat mind you as Numenorians were quite more superior then humans of later times. Also this act was what made gods sunk Numenor and survivors fled and established Arnor and Gondor but also the Undying Lands where gods and elves live were forever separated from mortal realm. Arnor kingdom would later fall because of Angmar (led by Witch King, servant of Sauronn) and only Gondor would remain as last remnant of numenor blood line.

Lich King

Lich King: Formerly an orc Chieftain Ner'zhul. In his madness destroyed his own world and was then enslaved by demons who granted him new power. His solo career is rather short and spent it more doing nothing and being assimilated by Arthas (I don't pretend I get it anymore).

Army consists of everything undead and well despite what gameplay shows, his armies should be way harder stop. I am sure everyone by now know member of the Scourge. I only find it strange that he can't reestablish control over forsaken and that undead suddenly need an Overmind to avoid becoming feral. Despite all of this he allowed Horde, Alliance and many neutral organizations to establish foothold in his own lands. He may have impressive arsenal but sure didn't use it.

Highest success besides blowing up the planet (wasn't lich king yet if that matters) was destruction of Lordearon and Silvermoon as part of the Legions plans who definitely helped for Lordearon part. I would also say Dalaran but that city gets destroyed like once per game and seemingly always has resources to be rebuilt. On his own he just pissed of everyone and lost forsaken.

Amon: Member of aliens seemingly often mistaken for gods duo to their advanced technology. Not much known about them except that Protoss chasd them away and Zerg annihilated many of them. Amon thus seems superior then his kinsmen. I do want to see the "near full and absolute control over the void, a cosmic force of unimaginable power".

Amon

Amon has yet to claim zerg and he is incapable of making Hybrids himself and instead completely depends on Duran/Narud manipulating Terran. When he actually receives the armies he claims then he will definitely be a threat. I do not know his "faithful protoss" but if that implies Tal'darim then he is better off without them as they are not bright. Would explain why Narud tells Jim in Sc2 to kill them even though he was their boss and could have just taken what he needed. Not entirely convinced that he limited himself to just one shape shifting servant.

Greatest success retconning stacraft so everything would be actually his doing. Oh right I should say what he did in lore. Fine his greatest success is using Overmind to kills his own people and invade Aiur. In the future we are promised we will actually see him doing something himself with army of zerg and hybrids but we know that he will fail anyway because he is antagonist and he can't help it.

So my decision is that Sauron is better then Lich King in most areas. Lich King only advantage is that his army is undead but that was not used as it should have been in my opinion. As for Amon he is definitely better than Lich King and has advantage over Sauron duo to limitations of lotr setting (evil not allowed create only corrupt, magic is actually fairly low, world is stuck in dark ages etc.). Still Amon maybe can be compared to Sauron but let him face Melkor/Morgoth the actual evil god of Lotr and his Dragons and Balrog armies.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Amon has yet to claim zerg

The Zerg was fully in his control until Kerrigan was saved by Raynor at the end of Wings of Liberty. Only since Kerrigan has claimed the primal Zerg essence, which was untainted by Amon as it predates his influence, is the Zerg not under his control. The overmind was his personal creation and responsible for the downfall of the Xel Naga.

he is incapable of making Hybrids himself and instead completely depends on Duran/Narud manipulating Terran

Only because death was a minor setback. The hybrid were still his design, purely initially executed by Narud due to circumstances. Hybrid also appear to be semi-unkillable, capable of being resurrected from any source of great psionic energy as Maar demonstrated. A single Hybrid is capable of being strong enough to kill anyone near them for extended periods, even without physical contact as was demonstrated against Primal Kerrigan.

I do not know his "faithful protoss" but if that implies Tal'darim then he is better off without them as they are not bright.

They served their purpose, to provide the Protoss material needed for the generation of Hybrids.

Would explain why Narud tells Jim in Sc2 to kill them even though he was their boss and could have just taken what he needed. Not entirely convinced that he limited himself to just one shape shifting servant.

He did? In any case they are of little concern to Amon since they are purple some imperfect creatures trying to be part of his perfect universe.

Not entirely convinced that he limited himself to just one shape shifting servant.

The fact he "died" at some stage generally points towards a confrontation. He might not have been able to prepare more than 1 before his death. However now that he has been resurrected he controls vast numbers of superior Hybrids which possess extreme psionic capabilities larger than anything the Zerg, Protoss or Terrans have.

Fine his greatest success is using Overmind to kills his own people and invade Aiur.

No, he created the Overmind which did all that. He created the Zerg swarm as well from the Primal Zerg.

In the future we are promised we will actually see him doing something himself with army of zerg and hybrids but we know that he will fail anyway because he is antagonist and he can't help it.

He cannot use the Zerg anymore as Kerrigan has removed his influence from them when she absorbed the primal essences which were not touched by him into the swarm. This is why it was so important that the survive to achieve that goal as otherwise he would have been able to force full control of the Zerg to use as cannon fodder (even if the original Queen of Blades survived, who was a failed attempt by the Overmind to break the Zerg free from Amon).

he will fail anyway because he is antagonist and he can't help it.

But at what cost? As it is, one of the greatest Protoss Templars to ever live had to sacrifice himself just to stop Amon's Overmind, let alone Amon himself.

Still Amon maybe can be compared to Sauron but let him face Melkor/Morgoth the actual evil god of Lotr and his Dragons and Balrog armies.

Yes, those might be closer in line to how powerful Amon is.

 

[VeljkoM]

I still dislike that Amons supposed power came at expense of the original starcraft. Primal zerg weren't Jurasic park (seriously did everyone forgot starcraft manual?), Overmind wasn't being someones puppet and neither were the zerg and hybrid storyline implied more interesting threat. From my view I am more being told how powerful Amon is yet I don't see him doing anything I am just told that everything I know was wrong. And when I said him using zerg in the future I was refering to the SC2 protoss bonus campaign.

Anyway I do admit Amon is more powerful then Sauron but because of difference between story set on one world and story set that expanse larger existence. I still find Sauron and lotr more interesting then what starcraft ended up to be with a boring doomsday villain with Egyptian prefix name. And I don't even like Sauron all that much as he in main source is never even seen.

But against an actual god like Melkor who actually was involved in creating universe I don't see Amon as his rival.

 

[PurgeandFire]

The Lich King I am sure was killed in a raid by some random players a few million times.

It counts as 1 death in lore, and contrary to what you said, he did not die in a raid. The raid only weakens him, and the Lich King kills everyone. Tirion gets infused by some mystical light power, and he (with ashbringer) kills the Lich King (so it was actually more of divine-intervention).

I'm not saying he is more powerful than Amon though. I know very little about starcraft lore, so I won't make any comparisons. But I just wanted to point that out.

 

[Lord_Disasthorm]

So......... it was decided. The winner maybe Sauron. Anyway, who most stronger and powerful, Melkor/Morgoth or it will be Sargeras? Once more, you can vote your choice here!

 

[Vinz]

Tirion gets infused by some mystical light power, and he (with ashbringer) kills the Lich King (so it was actually more of divine-intervention).

Screw that old she-male, mystical power and divine intervention. He should have died.

 

[Fang]

Spongebob is the strongest.
Do you know the episode where Spongebob ripped in half by the Water Gorilla?

 

[E.M.C]

Sauron is Morgoth's bitch anyway...