🛠 EXP System FAQ 🛠 - Updated Mar 6, 2022

[Archian]

NOTICE - The EXP progress bar is updated every 10 minutes. So if you don't see your progress bar move, don't worry - it will. You can always see your recent EXP on your profile.

Inspired by the Warcraft 3 Hero experience progress bar. Members of the Hive Workshop can gain EXP (experience points) by posting on the forums, receiving a positive reaction (Like, Love, Wow and Haha), submitting a resource or winning contests (EXP BOOST). Gaining EXP increases your level. Depending on your level, your EXP Progress Bar will change color. More colors may be added in the future. Once you reach a specific level you can unlock new rank icons.

AMOUNT OF EXP GAINED BY:

• Posting messages +1 EXP
• Creating a thread +2 EXP
• Receiving a positive reaction +5 EXP.
• Submitting a tutorial +20 EXP
• Submitting a resource +20 EXP
• Winning a contest +X EXP
• Getting a 3-5 Star Rating +4-6 EXP
• Getting a Director's Cut Rating +50 EXP
  
  *The amount of EXP gained is subject to change.

The experience gained from these actions varies by the type of action and section. For instance, no EXP is gained from posting in the Off-Topic forum or private messages.

Becoming a Hero can increase the amount of EXP you receive from posting, receiving a positive reaction (Like, Love, Wow and Haha) or submitting a resource by up to 100% more.

We did not want to implement a reputation system when all communities these days use reactions. Reactions also happen to work better on mobile.

Current reputation is converted to XenForo 2 reactions such as like, love and angry. The old Reputation messages are converted to profile posts. Reputation contest awards are converted to experience awards.

 

[Riki]

I will miss the reputation orbs, but the experience bars look nice for me.

 

[deepstrasz]

For instance, no EXP is gained from posting in the Off-Topic forum (Soon in effect).

Also in conversations (P.M.s).
EDIT: and in Media.

 

[Archian]

Added:

The EXP progress bar is updated every 10 minutes. So if you don't see your progress bar move, don't worry. You can always see your recent EXP on your profile.

 

[deepstrasz]

What about co-authoring? Does that give you the same amount of XP as the one who uploads or less?

 

[Ralle]

Yes and the reactions are received by them all I believe. But I might have to double-check that.

 

[FeelsGoodMan]

Tbh I think it should be more like this;

Spoiler

While posting messages and threads do incentivize people to use the forum more, I don't feel simply a post or thread warrants rewards. I think contributions should be rewarded, not participation.

 

[Archian]

We are still fine tuning things. So the EXP system may change a little later on.

 

[Ralle]

I mean, we could also just 10x the things that aren't thread/post.

 

[The_Silent]

What about tying some xp to resource ratings, instead of just the action of uploading. As in the 1 to 5 stars users can rate a resource after they have commented on it. So any score above average (3) gives some xp. Would discourage people from spamming the resource sections and encourage hard (or atleast flashy) work.

Something like:
: 0 XP
: 0 XP
: 1 XP
: 2 XP
: 3 XP

(Rebalance as necessary)

 

[Lich134]

There was one good thing about reputation system:it was not a reaction thing that i say i'm angry or happy you just give reputation and no need for anything else.(and i like that)
Should we give a reaction to a comment or something else?
and the number of xp you give for every thing is so low(1 xp for comment)i suggest you increase the numbers.

 

[Ralle]

What about tying some xp to resource ratings, instead of just the action of uploading. As in the 1 to 5 stars users can rate a resource after they have commented on it. So any score above average (3) gives some xp. Would discourage people from spamming the resource sections and encourage hard (or atleast flashy) work.

Something like:
: 0 XP
: 0 XP
: 1 XP
: 2 XP
: 3 XP

(Rebalance as necessary)

That's an interesting idea. It just sucks when you are @SpasMaster and worked 100 years on a map and get 3 XP for your map because everyone likes it

How about something like (number of ratings) x max(0, rating average - 3) XP?

 

[The_Silent]

That is a good idea. I did indeed envision as every rating (every post) gave rep, not just the total.
Don't know if an average of total total score * ratings, or every posts gives xp individually depending on rating, is better. That is another balance issue of its own.

 

[Hermit]

I have to say I'm not really a fan of the new experience system because it makes it possible for newly registered people who are just spamming "nICe m0dEl 7/5" comments to be on the same level as helpful members and talented artists who have been here for years and are actually valuable contributors to the community.

 

[Archian]

I'd just like to remind everyone that we are still fine tuning the EXP system, and that we may have some changes coming to it soon.

 

[deepstrasz]

What about tying some xp to resource ratings, instead of just the action of uploading

Ratings are subjective.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Seems pretty good overall. I miss Reputation a little, but I had a number of frustrations with it (difficulty to use on Mobile, not enough range, default always set to the highest, etc), and I love how much this streamlines for you admins/mods (in terms of tying rewards to different kinds of activities).

I do like that simply posting gives you Experience. ; )

 

[Archian]

NOTICE - This is still WIP.

EXP for submtting a resource will be increased to 20 (depending on the section), in addtion if the resource gets a 5 star rating, the author gets an addtional +5 EXP. The same is true for 1-4 star rating i.e. 1 star rating grants +1 addtional EXP etc.

So a single resource is eligible to get a total of +10 EXP from a single user (rating + reaction). Plus 20 EXP from posting it. This is subject to change.

An author of resource can also get +50 EXP if the resource gets a Director's Cut rating (*Subject to change)

We also have plans for members to unlock special rank icons if they meet the requirement like our current Orc Rank Icons. For instance:

Submitted Resources (WIP*):

	25 Resources
	100 Resources
	250 Resources
	500 Resources
	750 Resources

Contest Wins (WIP*):

	Win 2 Contests
	Win 4 Contests
	Win 6 Contests
	Win 8 Contests
	Win 10 Contests

Level Unlocks (WIP*):

	Level 5
	Level 10
	Level 15
	Level 20
	Level 25
	Level 30
	Level 35
	Level 40
	Level 45
	Level 50
	Level 55
	Level 60

NOTICE - Anyone who has earned a rank icon in the past, will of course keep that icon.

 

[MasterBlaster]

in addtion if the resource gets a 5 star rating, the author gets an addtional +5 EXP. The same is true for 1-4 star rating i.e. 1 star rating grants +1 addtional EXP etc.

That's per rating, right? I mean, if a resource gets a 5 star rating from 10 users, it will get 50 extra experience? If so then I think that's awesome

 

[Archian]

That's per rating, right? I mean, if a resource gets a 5 star rating from 10 users, it will get 50 extra experience? If so then I think that's awesome

That is correct

 

[Daffa]

When those icons enter the foray, I'm more than happy to try them out.

EDIT:
Any formula for level gain?

 

[Yours Truly]

Contest Wins (WIP*):

View attachment 375794 Win 4 Contests
View attachment 375796 Win 6 Contests
View attachment 375817 Win 8 Contests
View attachment 375816 Win 10 Contests

Define "win contests"..

 

[Scias]

Really glad to see the rank customizations, and resources being much better rewarded.

I'm curious if there's ideas for the flags/banners beside the rank icon? I am not exactly sure how you get those with the current system, but seems like it's not related to the rank icon and can be mixed, having for example a grunt with a night elf banner. Anyhow, customization of those if it's not too much, could be interesting as well. Like X amount of colors per flag being unlockable by post count milestones or something.

 

[Archian]

Define "win contests"..

1st Placement in a contest

I'm curious if there's ideas for the flags/banners beside the rank icon?

Yes, we have something planned.

Also, hosted project members just got their own flag/banner.

 

[Kyrbi0]

These all seem like pretty great changes overall. Love the idea of incentivizing various parts of the community experience.

@Archian , consider saving yourself a whole lot of extra time typing & re-typing & re-typing, and just put "All Numbers Are WIP & Subject To Change" in big, colored, bold font at the top of the first post on the page. ; )

 

[Scias]

What do you guys think about receiving 1exp whenever you star rate a resource to give a bit of incentive to the people rating also, since rating is such a rarity.
For example:
Net Launcher Turret
Currently at 1777 views, 128 comments and only 3 people rated.
There's probably even better examples also.

 

[Riki]

Also, hosted project members just got their own flag/banner

Is this for all hosted projects?

 

[Archian]

Is this for all hosted projects?

That is correct.

 

[Riki]

That is correct.

Ok, just curious as I have not seen this in any of the Ultimate Battle members.

 

[Archian]

Getting a project hosted unlocks that banner. But they have to select it themselves. Under https://www.hiveworkshop.com/account/customize-rank.

 

[MasterBlaster]

What do you guys think about receiving 1exp whenever you star rate a resource to give a bit of incentive to the people rating also, since rating is such a rarity.

I'm all for incentivizing rating resources, but it I'm afraid doing it this way could make people spam ratings. Then again, 1 experience is so little that I don't think a lot of people would be desperate enough to try something like this and even if, it should be easy to notice and take action against.

All things considered, I think it could be worth it to try your idea.

 

[Archian]

NOTE: This is subject to change and still WIP.

Night Elves cannot be unlocked by leveling (like previously mentioned) but by other means (to be announced).

Some changes to the current Orc Ranks which are unlocked by having the corresponding post count. Chaos Blademaster and Chaos Hellscream are replaced with Gul'dan and Orc Warlock, but the rank order will be changed.

Instead members can unlock Chaos Orcs by leveling.

	Level 10
	Level 20
	Level 30
	Level 40
	Level 50
	Level 60
	Level 70

 

[Dr Super Good]

Resource types need different weights. Someone who submits hundreds of icon resources will get orders of magnitude more experience than people who submit a few high quality models or even a single map or campaign despite having comparable hours of work put into them in total.

Maps and campaigns should award the most experience as individual resources can take their authors years to create. Icons and spells the least. Resource packs (if those still exist) should award experience based on the content of the pack so as to encourage the use of packs rather than submitting resources separately to earn more experience.

 

[Archian]

Like I stated previously:

EXP for submtting a resource will be increased to 20 (depending on the section)

Resource types need different weights. Someone who submits hundreds of icon resources will get orders of magnitude more experience than people who submit a few high quality models or even a single map or campaign despite having comparable hours of work put into them in total.

Indeed, we have plans to adjust the EXP gained in each respective resource section e.g. submitting a model grants more EXP than an icon.

 

[Cheshire]

There was one good thing about reputation system:it was not a reaction thing that i say i'm angry or happy you just give reputation and no need for anything else.(and i like that)

Maybe there could be an emote for "useful" or "helpful". which is more like what you are saying.

another thing - maybe resource submitters should also be rewarded for amounts of downloads. some resources do not have a bunch of positive feedback, but the download number sort of shows that they are actually very useful and maybe should be rewarded for that.

 

[deepstrasz]

Actually, posting a lot will get you more experience over time than resources that are usually slower to be made and rarer per user.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Actually, posting a lot will get you more experience over time than resources that are usually slower to be made and rarer per user.

Yes but that is why they have unique "Dr Super Good" icons for post count lol.

Numbers might need fine tuning over time. And certainly posts in sections like Something Else should not count.

 

[Archian]

And certainly posts in sections like Something Else should not count.

Posts in Off-Topic (including Something Else) doesn't count towards unlocking Rank icons. And EXP doesn't increase in Off-Topic i.e. posting or getting a positive reaction doesn't increase EXP.

 

[deepstrasz]

Any plans to have the experience bar show the ranges of experience for each level like in the game?
Example: Level 1 (1Xp/10Xp); Level 20 (1000Xp/5000Xp) etc.
Right now, the bar shows the total accumulated experience.

 

[Archian]

Any plans to have the experience bar show the ranges of experience for each level like in the game?

Yes, we have that on our list.

 

[Daffa]

When will we see those rank icons available?

 

[Archian]

Hopefully some time during this week.

 

[Archian]

You can now see how much EXP is needed to gain the next level (hover over EXP bar). We've also added the Fel Orc Ranks, which can be unlocked by leveling.

Also updated the current Orc Ranks list.

 

[deepstrasz]

Do bundles count as 1 resource upload? I think they should count more.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Probably should depend on how many is in the bundle. A couple color variations vs. an Ujimasa Hojo "Derivative"-style with a dozen different textually/physically different versions.

 

[Ralle]

The problem with that is a bundle is typically meant to be the smallest piece of work possible that can go alone. When people submit completely different models as the same bundle they're using the system wrong. A bundle is for like a model, its icon and potentially alternative versions and portrait model.

 

[erfaned]

Why did you guys scrap reputation system? I am interested to know that.

 

[Archian]

We did not want to implement a reputation system when all communities these days use reactions. Reactions also happen to work better on mobile.

Current reputation is converted to XenForo 2 reactions such as like, love and angry. The old Reputation messages are converted to profile posts. Reputation contest awards are converted to experience awards.

Why did you guys scrap reputation system? I am interested to know that.

 

[erfaned]

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[deepstrasz]

Yeah... also campaigns are basically more maps which should receive more experience I guess.