Element Wars v2.03

[Moderator]

DesKaladA: Hmm a nice map

I like the thec tree and i think with some more work and a better explanation of hows its played it would be a fun map

My sugestions:
[]Add some player controled heros
[]Explane how to get favor
[]Work on better ai

~Approved~
Deskalada(Deskkalada@usEAST)

 

[Darkenneko_003]

This map, is awesome, I haven't seen very many others that unique, but theres still a few imbalance's that need to be attended To. With the
Dark Element you can you The Dark Shroud to heal your minions, then have them collect money, I Had 1.2k with the first 3 with one night. Playing as Earth it took, well, Along time, making 250 if I'm lucky, 300 if god loves me. I Like how you have to merge the workers tho.
Its an Awesome map, Keep Working on it.
-Calvin

 

[Zackreaver]

The economy for each element is different, for that reason their cost's are also designed to match their economy, and Elemental Power cannot be traded.

Favor will be tradable in later version's but since each element harvest Elemental Power at different speeds, their costs are made to match their speeds.

Dark harvests fast in the first night only because they harvest good at night to begin with. Also 1.2k with the first 3 is nothing, since your only aloud to have 6 of those at any given time anyway.

As for earth, their economy I'm taking into deep thought, not because its slow, but that building structures is a severe timeconsuming burden.

 

[Insaniac69]

Truely badass. Only thing I can even suggest is 3 things:
1) Add Light race. (You got Darkness only >.&gt
2) Add a rush like mode to speed the game up, because this game suffers from a slow start and a lot of people end up leaving.
3) Go to your triggers and create another quest listing the commands. (Like allying and so on)
Otherwise 9.5/10, I'll round it off cause I still love this map. XD

 

[Zackreaver]

Since the website that hosted my project got hit by its upset domain host, I decided I might as well polish off this old submission.

Here is version 1.21c, It's been cleaned of COUNTLESS leaks that I originally released it with.

These leaks have thankfully been solved thanks to my advancement in Jass coding, and darkwulfv's fantastic tweaking/tutoriing.

At any rate, alot of the old element's are different than they once were, Just as well, you may find a couple new options available in your old choices.

"The element of Light is still Unfinished, I am releasing them under this note, I have yet to finish up their god and have yet to fully balance out their aspect. If you have any suggestion's to assist me with this matter, please feel free share."

 

[Insaniac69]

Good map. Only problems I see, is of course that Light needs a god, and that if you have too many veils going at the same time, cast one or two lighthouse veils, then absorb the light, it instantly ether splits the server leaving you alone or D/Cs everyone (Idk, I'm host so that may be why I'm still there alone). Over all, good still!! Oh ya, I didn't check, did you change the rock income system or up the income amount for them?

 

[Zackreaver]

Light is unfinished, so bug's like that are bound to happen, I've never actually had the time to use them in the game so I have no idea what effect's using their trigger's would have.

I'll look into those splits though, I don't see why it would happen but I'll check and see if I overlooked something.

 

[Insaniac69]

Um.. What did you update about it?

 

[Zackreaver]

I have a changelog in the forum where i posted my map, I'll put the most recent changelog here though.

 

[Insaniac69]

I found a bitch of a strat to use for light, and seems imbalanced cause of how much it works. They get 3 light temples and get them all too 5000 mana, then get their god of light to cast the attack everything is sight spell, they cast the first temple, waits for it to fade, then the 2nd, and then the 3rd. Killed even my my ancient tree godfather!!! I suggest maybe preventing massing of that full reveal map, like 1 temple limit, or turn it down from 150 seconds to like only 30.

 

[Zackreaver]

I'll do something about it, Light is brand new so I was expecting this.

Oh and by the way, the duration of summon sun IS 30 seconds... I'm kind of surprised you let him get all those temple's fully charged, that's alot of mana.

But I found out a good method, I'll add "Extended line of sight" to the temple of light's to make them visible through the fog. That should help players spot them easier and take them out before they can get fully charged.

 

[panther-anthro]

Ugh, Zack you forgot we changed the website url to www.gamerisle.org *slaps zach with a fail sticker*

 

[Zackreaver]

Hey, panther.. Bite me ok? You provoked the destruction of my forum post

It's there now, happy?

 

[Insaniac69]

Hmm.. Why don't you add a hero or 2 for each element? It would make things more interesting, so if you are fire vs fire, theres a chance that the hero(s) could be a main factor in battle depending on how you use use them. Also, I still REALLY think you need to add a rush mode or something. I lose atleast half my players in the beginning cause of how long it takes you to be able to do anything. You need to remember that there ARE impatient noobs who want fast action.

 

[Zackreaver]

I am more than well aware, I'll add in a rush mode next version.

 

[Insaniac69]

So updated it, but forgot to update the version changes?

 

[Zackreaver]

Didn't forget, haven't had the time to put the changelog up, it's on my laptop and I didn't get around to posting it.

 

[Zackreaver]

Long time no see everybody, I am quite surprised I came back here myself.

An old fan of my map came to my AIM screenname and personally asked me to update the map for 1.24.

I am touched that the map entertained someone enough willing to hunt me down, since I haven't been on warcraft 3 in months. I was beginning to feel the game didn't "spark" that well, but a single voice reached out to me.

I shall hope to drop by again soon, maybe my idea's will start coming back to me and I can get to work on a more up to date (and stable) version for everyone to enjoy.

 

[Wazzz]

Hey, I've played through the races of this map a few time just on single player to see what strats there are, and it's a really great map, really awesome =D

Well, I personally found the Dark and Air to be imbalanced on the other side of the stick. While most races have at least some way to quickly produce Elemental power, the Air are a little tedious due to the constant need to use Gust at regular intervals (wouldn't be so much of a problem if either they produced more power or the buildings cost less), and the Dark is just weak in power because of the Dark Shroud ability thing removing 50% of the user's health. They end up with next to nothing gold in the end, and the cost for more of those Dark Shroud users just goes up higher for each one you have, making them quite weak -.-'

Well, I confess I haven't tried the latest version out yet, but I love the Earth race, very powerful and they can get lots of power quite easily. Also love the other races for that, but Earth especially =D. Anyway, good luck =D

 

[Zackreaver]

Ackward

I could have sworn I setup a new trap system for the dark element. I may have a different version of the map hidden somewhere on my laptop, since I remember developing code where the trap triggers could be assigned to individual traps specifically. And I remember testing it successfully, I wonder where it went I'll see If I can find it and update this version properly.

 

[Zackreaver]

Whoa

WHOA, holy hell, I just realized I made a huge mistake. I found the ancient old leaky version of the map. No wonder my new code was missing.

Wazzz, Can I ask that you try every element again on the 2.01 that I am about to post? It made several major tweaks that I was intending to release as version G, which was supposed to be the newest version before I took a break from war3.

Since I was too lazy to create a viable changelog, I'll just generally list the changes.

General
-Everything is less leaky, and less buggy
-Everything was redesigned with timer's to look more smooth in operation.

Dark
-Trap triggers can be directly linked to individual traps to allow precision trap building. (ex. Tremor trap can be linked to the land mines, that way flying units wont trigger the land mines from the original trigger device.)

Air
-Units are produced by a warp circle situated below the training structures, these are treated as regular structures so their build que can be viewed. This also allows the training structures the ability to MOVE while training units.

Light
-uhh, I dunno I forgot how I fixed them from the old version, they were brand new anyway

 

[Freeze87]

Put changelog and description in hiden tags,text is to big

 

[krisserz]

As you see 95% of description is pure changelog. I think he should hide the eldest ones.

 

[LiquidDeath]

i dled the map, but it doesnt show on my list... is that just me or something's wrong with the map? >.<

 

[krisserz]

1. You have too old Wc3 version (patch)
2. You have too new Wc3 version (patch)
3. Too long map name

 

[rosereborn]

uhh.. something weird happen when i hosted this map..
newayz im hosting it at garena
and by the time someone finished the dl..
they got auto kicked....idk why..
help?

Edit: oh i think it has sumting to do wif my wc3 version..kk nvm
Edit2: woops.. ppl are still auto kicked..help?

 

[Zackreaver]

Hey rose, I'm looking into it right now, for some reason, I'm getting the same problem as the people above.

Strange thing is, I ran the map before uploading, and I ran it again to make sure, the map is working, yet when I upload the map, and download it. It seems to be having trouble getting found. I'm trying to fix it right now.

 

[Zackreaver]

OK, it's working for me now, try hosting it again. I'm not sure why it had problems before, I need to check into this.

Out of curiousity though, which server are you hosting the map on?

 

[rosereborn]

awesome! thx.
garena server 5. thts whr i hosted.

 

[Zackreaver]

interesting, Never used garena before, I just recently downloaded it, can you give me your profile information? I want to see how people here respond to my map.

 

[rosereborn]

interesting, Never used garena before, I just recently downloaded it, can you give me your profile information? I want to see how people here respond to my map.

acc name: [Devilz]Shusuii

uhm well. we wud hv fun if thrs more player joined us.
but no one wnts to
first off.. the terrain. it needs improvements..
2nd, tips pl0x! we all get confused early game

 

[LiquidDeath]

yes, the tips are needed, especially on how to get resources with different races early game.most people get confused and leave

 

[Zackreaver]

Ironically, tips are in 2.01 but the trigger is disabled since I hadn't finished the code for them.

They start, but they never stop and keep looping, it was the last thing I did before taking a hiatus. I plan to finish the code for the tips first thing when I have time again.

As for the terrain, I didn't design it, I left that task to Kayvann, I hadn't much cared for the extensive detail of the terrain for the game at the time.

Primarily because I had plans of making the code flexible enough to move between new terrains, so far I have only ported the code to 1 other terrain, which I will repost once I can get the general gameplay worked out.

In other words, Terrain fixing comes last, the tooltips/tutorials are what alot of people suggest are the most important, so I'm working on that primarily.

Thank you for your feedback everyone, I'll be sure to make 2.02 more new player friendly.

 

[Azsure]

This reminds me so much to Avatar, no wind element? D:
Anyway, I will play it soon because it seems awesome!

 

[Zackreaver]

This reminds me so much to Avatar, no wind element? D:
Anyway, I will play it soon because it seems awesome!

The elements are:
Fire, water, nature, dark, earth, air, and light

Air is my name for wind, so yeah it's there.

 

[Zackreaver]

Sorry for the delay in the update, making the tutorials is more time consuming than I figured. I'll see if I can't get it released by today or tomorrow.

 

[Zackreaver]

Ok, there's the tutorial. That should help clear up most of the confusion with the game. The terrain is something I have to do another time, since I designed the map to be transferable between terrains.

Does anyone have any other suggestions they want to bring up?

 

[olcharlieboi]

hello, i can't help to say it but while i was playing this map, warcraft 3 for some reason crashed on me...

 

[Zackreaver]

Do you remember at what game time or moment the game crashed? Did anything specific happen? Or was anything specific happening?

I can probably find out if it was something in particular in my map, any info you can provide would be much appreciated.

 

[kazajin]

Game does NOT work just defults back to map screen

 

[crawlers]

has this map died?

 

[Zackreaver]

has this map died?

I discontinued updates due to lack of community interest, also with starcraft 2 coming out this month I plan to move my development to the new modding tools.

I had plans to make a sequel to this map for warcraft 3, though I might just move those plans to starcraft 2 instead.

If the map is having issue's and isn't running like it should let me know and I'll take some looks to get it up and running again.

 

[IxionIndustries]

Hello! Created an account just to give my regards on how awesome this map is.

This map is very unique. It's very simple gameplay, but each elemental force has it's own special twists in resource gathering, unit set-up, and gameplay style.

Fire: This is my favorite, second only to Nature. It's quick, aggressive, and gets the job done. You gather resources on the go, even while you attack the enemy. Fits the element well.

Light/Darkness: These don't seem to fit in with the melee/capture and hold style of the map, in my opinion. I guess I feel that this element's forces should have a tie in with how much of the map is revealed. Maybe they get stronger in the day, the same as Darkness does at night. Darkness' units work well enough for a hit & run/stealth sort. The Dark Shrouds need to be unselectable though, please.

Water: This element is good to tie in with Fire or Wind, as it does have the most flexibility. Pretty much the most well-rounded of them all, and it has the best resource structure in my opinion. Very good for massing tactics.

Wind: It took a bit for me to get good at gaining resources with Wind, but after a bit, I had it down. Their forces are very aggressive as Fire's, and three times as maneuverable. A very great harassment element, especially if coupled with Light or Darkness.

Nature: This one is my favorite. It seems to be what Earth should be: A turtleing, powerful tide of strong units. It's one of those elements that you know what's coming, and you know you're screwed. This pretty much goes well with anything.

Earth: I haven't had a lot of experience with Earth, but they do seem quite powerful. Their spellcaster unit is awesome, and the grunts are good, but it seems like Earth should be more of a base-building, elements that becomes really strong later in game.
Plus their resource gathering kind of bugs me.

All in all, I really love this map. It's the only one of it's kind that actually does the whole "Elemental Warfare" thing well, and I hope you continue working on it, at least enough to get the elemental fusion system up and running.
I can't play it on Battle.Net, but it's a favorite among LAN parties.

EDIT: NECRO POST!
(Hope to see your map-making skills in SC2)

 

[Zackreaver]

SOMEONE CARES!

I stopped development due to lack of community interest, upcoming release of starcraft 2, and the fact that the map was a nightmare to balance.

But seeing a hive workshop email after all these months is very refreshing, so thanks for that friend.

You host this map at lan parties? Do tell.

 

[IxionIndustries]

Yes, I do. Since the state of WC3's Battle.Net is utterly horrible, with the bots and all, it's nigh impossible to make a match with this map, or any really; which is more than likely the cause for the lack of community interest.

But I was determined, and I got some friends together to play this along with a few others like Dark Deeds, Genesis of Empires II. It's taken a spot in my "need-to-download" maps.

I encountered this map after playing RIFT: Planes of Telara for a bit, and wanting to make my own elemental themed map or something. But I can't map or script to save my life, so I just searched for something to get my fix, and this map fits perfectly.

If you should get Starcraft 2 (if you haven't already), I would love to see something this awesome emerge on the servers there.

 

[Zackreaver]

http://www.youtube.com/user/Zackreaver?feature=mhee

That is my youtube channel, I have videos showing the progress of my current Starcraft 2 map.

If your group would be interested in becoming testers let me know, my friend code is 253 on US Battle.net.


I would love to go back and fine tune this map, though after how much has happened I might not have the time to make adjustments (The map is literally a cluster of inexperienced coding)

I'm just really glad someone took the effort to let me know someone still has interest in this map, it really helps in terms of inspiration.

 

[IxionIndustries]

I was looking at one of those videos. It looked like a sort of altered melee, but with certain upgrades you enable and disable at the start? It looks interesting.

Sadly, my friends don't have SC2. Their computers haven't been updated in about 5 years, so all they run is Warcraft 3 with me occasionally.

Anyways, glad I could help with my crappy pep talk. For a cluster of sketchy coding, it really works together well, and again, if you could do something like this in SC2, that'd be amazing!

 

[Zackreaver]

I was looking at one of those videos. It looked like a sort of altered melee, but with certain upgrades you enable and disable at the start? It looks interesting.

Sadly, my friends don't have SC2. Their computers haven't been updated in about 5 years, so all they run is Warcraft 3 with me occasionally.

Anyways, glad I could help with my crappy pep talk. For a cluster of sketchy coding, it really works together well, and again, if you could do something like this in SC2, that'd be amazing!

I appreciate it nontheless, my AIM is ZacktheReaver, send me an IM for a game of element wars sometime, I'd love to actually enjoy the game with some fans.


Who knows, I might actually go start working on it again.


As for my starcraft 2 project, I essentially wanted to do something on warcraft 3 also, but the tools available to me end up making it a cluttered mess, also unlike in starcraft 2, warcraft 3 doesn't make it easy to transfer data to other maps so it would be difficult to have different flavored terrain. (I didn't want element wars to only be on that ice map, it was simply far to difficult to import to another)


PS. I get alot of spam on my AIM, so if you message me, mention that your a fan of my map first so I don't filter you.

 

[Zackreaver]

Digging around to try and find the unprotected and potentially uncorrupted version to upload for its final release. I dont know if the version uploaded here is fixable, its been too long since i worked on maps.

But reforged made me want to play my old creation one last time.

Ill get back to you all once i find out if my old external harddrive still works and has the original