Does neutral hostile have full vision over the map?

[streetpunk]

I wanted to ask how can I apply black mask to neutral hostile, as it seems they have full vision over the map. Example: I've created a neutral hostile unit on the map and set both it's acquisition range and attack range to "20000", then I created a unit of my own, placing each unit on the corner of the map. When the map starts the neutral hostile unit begins attacking my unit even thou the map is black masked. Does neutral hostile have unconditionaly full vision over the map? And how can I apply black mask to them so they don't attack a unit they "can't see" ?
I tried using the function:

• Visibility - Create an initially Enabled visibility modifier for Neutral Hostile emitting Black mask across (Playable map area)

But it seems it have no effect!
I also set an alliance between Player 1 and Neutral Hostile with shared vision and then all the map got cleared giving me full vision all over the map.
Thanks in advance!

 

[Chaosy]

So just reduce the acquisition range?
what is the point of making it beyond the sight range?

 

[streetpunk]

I think you didn't get it, I've set the acq range and attack range to 20000 so I could test the theory that Neutral Hostile can see the entire map, even if I set it's visibility to black mask.

 

[Chaosy]

But why?
If you want them to charge across the map let them, if not lower the range.

I am honestly confused by the purpose.

 

[streetpunk]

The question here isn't the attack or acquisition range, what matter is that Neutral Hostile can see the entire map and I want it to see the map like all User players do (Black mask, fog of war etc). It's for a stealth system I'm developing where units can only see and detect what is in front of them, I create a black mask effect behind the units. So if neutral hostile can see the entire map this won't work for neutral hostile units. I can attach the map here if you want to take a look for better understanding.

 

[LordDz]

Does the neutral hostile have any custom units with maybe increased visibility radius?
Sure, attach the map and I'll look at it later today.

 

[Jampion]

Neutral hostile is special with acquisition range. If you build something close (like a tower) they will recognize it even if they can't see it and even if they are sleeping. I assume they are made to attack everthing in their acquisition range, as it is kind of their creep camp.
If you want to check if they have full vision, order them to creepthunderbolt (if the creep has hurl boulder) a unit they can't see. With JASS you can directly get a boolean to see if the order was succesful.
In GUI you can print it's current order after 1 second on the screen. If the order was succesful the creep must be able to see the target. If the order was not succesful one reason could be because the creep could not see the target.
If the unit runs towards the target, it must have seen it. If it can't see the target, the creep will just stand still.

 

[streetpunk]

Here's the map, just walk arround with units and you will get it... the units can't see what's behind them... so I want neutral hostile to act like that too.

 

[puffdragon]

Players with ID>11 don't get fog calculations, meaning they are unaffected by anything fog-related. They will see whole map as fog-free, no matter what u do, just because engine works like that.

 

[streetpunk]

So with that in mind would it be possible to make a unit not attack another that is behind it ? Some kind of command that makes it not acquire targets that are behind.

 

[LordDz]

There are no neutral hostile units on the map you provided.
There is a player 2 without any fixed settings, but that's not really what the thread was about.

Your triggers have a lot of leaks in them, but I'm guessing you'll fix those when you get the system done.

 

[streetpunk]

You just need to create a neutral hostile unit or change the ownership of one of the existing units. I provided the map more to clarify what I was doing so you guys could have a better understanding of what I'm trying to achieve...

 

[puffdragon]

I would use this EVENT_UNIT_ACQUIRED_TARGET and trigger it

 

[streetpunk]

I would use this EVENT_UNIT_ACQUIRED_TARGET and trigger it

How would you would specificaly approach this situation?

 

[LordDz]

I tried it on a normal map by changing the units to neutral extra and setting them to be enemies with the player.
Didn't work either.

So I would probably use a player with fixed settings rather than the neutral hostile player.

 

[puffdragon]

I would use PolarProjection and unit facing and hit stop or pick another target with group formation

 

[streetpunk]

I think hitting stop would't work as the unit is constantly ordered to attack the approaching enemy

 

[puffdragon]

Then hit stop unless there is an approaching enemy

 

[Kaijyuu]

Do you really need all 12 player slots? Might be easiest to just not use any of the Neutral Blah factions.

 

[streetpunk]

it's not that I NEED the 12 slots, but the system I'm developing should be able to handle the demand of 12 user player slots...