Crossover 1.30d

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8th Aug 2016

Crossover 1.29b is an arena map with variety and entertaining fast paced gameplay.

Starting off, the hero picking isn't great. It isn't atrocious, but it's clunky and time consuming. It also gives little time for the host to decide on the modes. A traditional hero picking system, even the old school DotA way would be much smoother! However, the game isn't hard to learn because of its simple concept, tool-tip descriptions, and informative quests log.

The heroes differ from each other quite a lot by their spells, speed, and other statistics varying in plenty of ways - which is good. Most heroes have unique and cool engaging spells that look good and execute well. The heroes aren't all balanced though. Notably the dragon hero is just much stronger and one of the support heroes not having any offensive abilities leading to pure dread to a player in the FFA game mode. Most of the heroes didn't seem to have a significant edge over others, though, so good job on that. There is also a good amount of items and recipes now compared to what was noted in earlier reviews.

The arenas are pretty generic. There's nothing dynamic about them, but they do a reasonable job for them being playable and not terrible. What you can do is add events, unique pathing, capturables, loot, or other things to spice things up. You should also remove cliffs with no ramps because players can (even though it's a very tiny chance) spawn on them and stay stuck until they die as I did in the FFA arena.

The visuals are just average. There's a lack of general decoration and doodad placement. What makes up for it are the triggered spells which look great and aren't too flashy and over the top.

Overall, the map can definitely be improved but there is no absolute need for it. Recommended for arena lovers and people into simple maps. Many things seem to have been fixed and improved since Kam's review as well. Map approved, I give it a 3.4/5

10:37, 14th Feb 2016
Kam:

Set to Awaiting Update: Review

 

[Modux]

Well done mate , I had fun while playing it.

Heroes are great , Modes & Spells are awesome especially the Dagger Chaos spell that look like someone dancing & pissing around

The thing i hate is the mana of heroes.

Anyway, Good Job & Keep it on.

Everyone should try Crossover map, its funny & need skills

 

[bear_369]

Gonna try your map soon but the only problem in your map description is the screenshots. They're broken.
I don't know If I'm only seeing this on my PC.

 

[Meatmuffin]

Gonna try your map soon but the only problem in your map description is the screenshots. They're broken.
I don't know If I'm only seeing this on my PC.

Hurr-durr, they were showing to me, but not to other players. Derp, does anyone know how to fix this?

 

[bear_369]

Hurr-durr, they were showing to me, but not to other players. Derp, does anyone know how to fix this?

If the screenshots were placed in a private album, they aren't being visible to other players except you. You should set that album to public. Hope that will fix.

 

[Meatmuffin]

If the screenshots were placed in a private album, they aren't being visible to other players except you. You should set that album to public. Hope that will fix.

Do the pictures have to be in a hive album? Because I used postimg.org, that's probably the problem.

EDIT: Reuploaded screenshots using a hive album.

 

[bear_369]

Do the pictures have to be in a hive album? Because I used postimg.org, that's probably the problem.

EDIT: Reuploaded screenshots using a hive album.

About that "Do pictures have to be in a hive album", I don't think so. I tried using the BB Codes of showing a image from another website and it worked.
It's strange how the pictures can only be view from you except everyone else..

By the way, I like how you make the hero selection (viewing stats, advantages and disadvantages).
I downloaded the map but I haven't tried it out yet. So I'm still in progress.
Good luck on your first project!

 

[Meatmuffin]

About that "Do pictures have to be in a hive album", I don't think so. I tried using the BB Codes of showing a image from another website and it worked.
It's strange how the pictures can only be view from you except everyone else..

I'll try to do the same, thanks for the advice.

By the way, I like how you make the hero selection (viewing stats, advantages and disadvantages).
I downloaded the map but I haven't tried it out yet. So I'm still in progress.
Good luck on your first project!

Thanks, means a lot because I spent a lot of time working on that hero phase, it even got corrupted at one point and I rollbacked termendously..
I'm thinking about adding an ability that picks the hero instead of writing -select <hero name>. Too many people are confused and/or don't know the hero names, thus, randoming.

Of course you can't test the map alone and come out with a full opinion, but I'm glad you liked it at first glance.

 

[bear_369]

I had a suggestion for your map about hero selection.
Instead of typing or selecting a hero using an ability, You select the hero by double click it.
That way, it be more simple in selecting heroes.

 

[Meatmuffin]

I'm not a fan of double-clicking, since there is a risk of accidentally picking a hero. I'm not gonna do the ability, I'll just create floating texts above each hero which show what you need to type to pick that hero.

 

[bear_369]

I'm not a fan of double-clicking, since there is a risk of accidentally picking a hero. I'm not gonna do the ability, I'll just create floating texts above each hero which show what you need to type to pick that hero.

Then alright. That's fine.

 

[Kam]

Kam Review

Cons:

-Hero selection system is awkward, I suggest using:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...3-a-192082/?prev=search=selection&d=list&r=20
-Terrain is lacking. There could be far more detail and and variation in the tileset and doodad palettes. Read through this:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...78/ultimate-beginners-terrain-tutorial-35233/
-Items are severely lacking in number and complexity/interest (There are two identical shops adjacent to each other?)
-The main arena is asymmetrical, I suggest against this as depending on where a hero starts they have access to basic items faster
-The periodic message about tree regrowth should be removed
-I should not need to wait for empty player slots to be skipped
-No AI support


Pros:
-QWER key setup is always preferred
-I tried 6 heroes and the spell sets were diverse and interesting. You could enhance them though with triggers.


Overall:

You have a good start to a hero arena. Where this is lacking is in detail and complexity.

 

[Meatmuffin]

Hey Kam, thanks for the review.

-Hero selection system is awkward, I suggest using:
Ultimate GUI Hero Pick System 2.3

I'm not planning on importing any systems, but I'll think about optimizing the system a bit.

-I tried 6 heroes and the spell sets were diverse and interesting. You could enhance them though with triggers.

The first ~6-7 heroes are with less triggers. From that point on, most of the abilities are triggered completely.


All the other points are valid, I'll think about how to improve them, especially the terrain, though I don't think it's THAT lacking.
AI support is a huge no, I'm not planning that under any circumstance.

 

[Meatmuffin]

Bump, bump!

Update 1.29:

Patch notes

- Optimised the terrain, replaced shops, rescaled them, added new terrain, such as lava.
- New hero: Zealot

Detailed changelog

- Removed the periodic message of tree ressurection;
- Optimised Ray of Arrows to make less lag;
- Fixed Air Dive dealing too much damage;
- Creating floating texts above each hero in the picking phase to make it more obvious what is the hero name and how to pick it:
- Each swipe from Blood Flurry now reduces the HP of the Blood Guard by 5%;
- Increased the vulnerability of Reckless Madness 150%->300%;
- Reduced all deathmatch item stock replenish intervals to 1 second;
- Tree destroying abilities no longer destroy pathing blockers.

New hero!

Description

Zealot

Binding Enchant

Shock Burst

Lightning Lock

Force Blast

The Zealot "Mambo" is a unique hero which primarily depends on synergizing with other heroes and dishing out a lot of magic damage. What makes it original is that this hero doesn't have to synergize with an ally to gain advantage! Without further ado, I present to you - Zealot!

 

[Rufus]

Just a note:
If you didn't know that already, bumping this thread like you did above doesn't really do anything, as the map thread is only bumped by updates, not posts.

 

[Meatmuffin]

I know that, I just instinctively do that

 

[Rufus]

Haha, ok.
No worries.

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Crossover 1.29b is an arena map with variety and entertaining fast paced gameplay.

Starting off, the hero picking isn't great. It isn't atrocious, but it's clunky and time consuming. It also gives little time for the host to decide on the modes. A traditional hero picking system, even the old school DotA way would be much smoother! However, the game isn't hard to learn because of its simple concept, tool-tip descriptions, and informative quests log.

The heroes differ from each other quite a lot by their spells, speed, and other statistics varying in plenty of ways - which is good. Most heroes have unique and cool engaging spells that look good and execute well. The heroes aren't all balanced though. Notably the dragon hero is just much stronger and one of the support heroes not having any offensive abilities leading to pure dread to a player in the FFA game mode. Most of the heroes didn't seem to have a significant edge over others, though, so good job on that. There is also a good amount of items and recipes now compared to what was noted in earlier reviews.

The arenas are pretty generic. There's nothing dynamic about them, but they do a reasonable job for them being playable and not terrible. What you can do is add events, unique pathing, capturables, loot, or other things to spice things up. You should also remove cliffs with no ramps because players can (even though it's a very tiny chance) spawn on them and stay stuck until they die as I did in the FFA arena.

The visuals are just average. There's a lack of general decoration and doodad placement. What makes up for it are the triggered spells which look great and aren't too flashy and over the top.

Overall, the map can definitely be improved but there is no absolute need for it. Recommended for arena lovers and people into simple maps. Many things seem to have been fixed and improved since Kam's review as well. Map approved, I give it a 3.4/5

 

[Meatmuffin]

Thanks @StoPCampinGn00b I appreciate the criticism.

What you said is all true and at a some point (multiple times actually) I wanted to improve the map, but I just never found the passion to do it. About the dragon hero, most of the players I played with, that picked the hero, didn't complain at all because they were terrible with it.

 

[Meatmuffin]

Okay, after a while, I finally got myself into this map again, so 1.30(c) is out! Full changes are in the changelog in the description, but what I mostly focused on this version, was less awkward mode picking and hero selecting.

I've also noticed that in the previous versions, a kill count based game with a short respawn timer is too fast-paced and chaotic and completely unfriedly (especially to beginners) so I've introduced a round system instead.

What to look in the upcoming versions (if I don't lose my passion for this map):
- Arena random item drops;
- Reworked magic mode with rounds just like in deathmatch because the current one is way too hectic;
- More content (items, modes, heroes) and balance changes (Notably Nature's Guardian, Zealot and Warden getting buffed);
- Bug and lag fixes (I'm looking at you, Binding Enchant and Mechanical Pests abilities )

Thanks to @StoPCampinGn00b for pointing out the major flaws in the map. I'm not much of a terrainer so I didn't spend much time designing it, I know I can't do better. But I guess a map like this wouldn't require a fancy terrain, would it? ^^

Also I'm glad to say that the Crossover channel in RGC is back on again, I'm trying to get more players so if you're interested, come on over! You can download the client on www.rankedgaming.com

 

[Wardrom]

in the Arena Mode i couldn't choose the hero because it ask for a unit of wood but i had none

 

[Meatmuffin]

Oh that's a fatal flaw, thanks for noticing it, will fix when I have the time.

EDIT: @Wardrom done.

EDIT2: You actually play the arena mode? I thought it was a little unfinished and a little boring compared to the original deathmatch mode but if you see it fun then I'm really happy!