Congratulations Barack Obama! 44th President of the United States of America!

[Direfury]

40% of the American population are screaming 'its the end of the world' because a black guy got elected.

A line similar to one from "Kill the Bush Man Monthly" Magazine.

 

[Ash]

Your horrible at percentages =)

Prove it

 

[3rgytr54]

Wait a second, what is the thread name again?? (I am from New York to clarify) I know if I were to move to another state, especially the south, I would be over he top in education compared to most. Also, I know (or at least around here) teachers don't get paid by the child they teach, but by the years of employment, if they coach and teams or stuff. The state (New York at least) gives out grants that the schools use (need) based on the test scores. ((this also help lower school taxes if the tests are good enough (also it gives teachers raises))

--Lets get Back on track--

 

[PurplePoot]

Paying schools based on test scores is beyond stupid. Welcome to the American education system.

 

[brad.dude03]

Couldn't agree more. The money should go where it's needed.

 

[Gilles]

I'm curious if anyone votes on morals anymore. Do any of you base your voting on your morals? Or just whoever you think will "run the country the best", or who will help you out the most?

 

[3rgytr54]

For me, (when I can vote) I will vote on morals, I don't want some ignorant fool running the country even though he has the most experience......

 

[Gilles]

For me, (when I can vote) I will vote on morals, I don't want some ignorant fool running the country even though he has the most experience......

Same with me. If his/her morals are good, I think they would do a good job running the country. Obviously not just anyone with good morals can be president/prime minister, but if they are even able to be in the running, I think they are qualified enough.

 

[donut3.5]

Based entirely on morals? A completely moral person could be a shitty leader.
Likewise, a completely brilliant leader could be ruthless and arrogant.
Basing a vote entirely on one factor or another doesn't make too much sense to me.
--donut3.5--

 

[Pyritie]

If I could vote (next year) I'd go for whoever I'd think do a better job and fuck up the least.

 

[Gilles]

Based entirely on morals? A completely moral person could be a shitty leader.
Likewise, a completely brilliant leader could be ruthless and arrogant.
Basing a vote entirely on one factor or another doesn't make too much sense to me.
--donut3.5--

Hence why I mentioned that anyone that has a chance of running/winning in the first place, should be good enough to run a country. Of course I agree with you, I meant in an election like last American one where there are basically two choices. Now to me, either would be able to run a country to some extent, and it's down to morals.

 

[Mr. Bob]

There is no such thing as morals. It's just a made up concept on what makes you feel is 'right'. Even if morals were real, it makes no difference. And besides, they are politicians. The only reason either of them are running is because of either 3 things. (Or all of them)
1. Money.
2. Power.
3. Fame.
You have to be realistic. They could care less about this country. The only reason they care is because it affects those 3 things.

Frankly, I think Barrack was a very bad choice. He will bring change. But that doesn't mean 'good' change. He has no experience, and he wants to pull our troops back. The media always says, "Oh, have our troops come home." but, when I talk to the troops and they're parents, they see all the good being done over there. The media inflates it so much, by just showing us the worst of the worst. And, he is trying to alter the constitution. Everyone knows, that he was not born in the USA. He went to see his grandma, and she even said herself that he was born elsewhere. When he went to the country (which I believe was Indonesia or something) he had his birth certifacate sealed there. The court in the USA asked for his birth certifacate, but he refused to give it to them. We really know nothing about him except that our enemies all want him for president. I predict this country won't be around for long. Maybe another 70 years. But that's it.

If anyone who replies to this in a hostile, dramatic, or otherwise disrespectful way, (which I know someone will) you will be completely ignored.

 

[Gilles]

There is no such thing as morals. It's just a made up concept on what makes you feel is 'right'. Even if morals were real, it makes no difference. And besides, they are politicians. The only reason either of them are running is because of either 3 things. (Or all of them)
1. Money.
2. Power.
3. Fame.
You have to be realistic. They could care less about this country. The only reason they care is because it affects those 3 things.

You have little faith in humanity. Ouch.

I won't even comment on the first part.

Frankly, I think Barrack was a very bad choice. He will bring change. But that doesn't mean 'good' change. He has no experience, and he wants to pull our troops back. The media always says, "Oh, have our troops come home." but, when I talk to the troops and they're parents, they see all the good being done over there. The media inflates it so much, by just showing us the worst of the worst. And, he is trying to alter the constitution. Everyone knows, that he was not born in the USA. He went to see his grandma, and she even said herself that he was born elsewhere. When he went to the country (which I believe was Indonesia or something) he had his birth certifacate sealed there. The court in the USA asked for his birth certifacate, but he refused to give it to them. We really know nothing about him except that our enemies all want him for president. I predict this country won't be around for long. Maybe another 70 years. But that's it.

If anyone who replies to this in a hostile, dramatic, or otherwise disrespectful way, (which I know someone will) you will be completely ignored.

Pretty sure you can't run for president if you weren't born in the country. If he wasn't, we'd be hearing all about it in the media. Maybe I'm wrong, but I highly doubt you're right.

I agree that getting out of the war now is a bad idea. It won't help anything if they leave now, and it will show the world that the US can be defeated by far weaker army. Dictators don't seem to give a shit about the UN, and if the US pull out, I doubt they will fear the US anymore. Which can't be good.

Of course this is all speculation by some random 18 year old kid that really doesn't know a whole lot.

 

[Firelord213]

Over 1 million Iraqis have died, I'm glad Obama will withdraw the troops from Iraq.

 

[The_Silent]

What do you think will happend to the Iraqs when theres only the govornerment's soilders back.

 

[brad.dude03]

My god you are one cynical bastard Mr. Bob. Have you been watching Fox News through the entire election campaign? Christ.

 

[The_Silent]

My god you are one cynical bastard Mr. Bob. Have you been watching Fox News through the entire election campaign? Christ.

1) Don't live in america (Should answer every question you just asked)
2) You can't just pull all soilders out of iraq just like that. That would cause a bloodbath.
3) I do want to get all soilders out of iraq, but on the other hand it could mean a giantic killing spree... if we do it to fast

 

[donut3.5]

Mr. Bob, I'd like to see your sources. That's all I'll say for now.

Hence why I mentioned that anyone that has a chance of running/winning in the first place, should be good enough to run a country. Of course I agree with you, I meant in an election like last American one where there are basically two choices. Now to me, either would be able to run a country to some extent, and it's down to morals.

True. The only problem with morals is that they are entirely subjective. My vote might swing if it was something like lying or exposed corruption they've been pulling, but not most of the mudslinging crap the media has pulled off (oh no when John McCain was 4 he stole a beach ball from his friend! when Obama was 12 he cheated on a spelling test!)
Nothing was ever that extreme, but the media and both parties' campaigns did do an annoyingly nice job of making mountains out of molehills per usual out of minuscule things that shouldn't even be cared about.
--donut3.5--

 

[Arvedui]

Actually if I based my decision solely on morals I would still not have voted for Obama. William Ayers? Ludicrous (the rapper, I don't know how he spells it, I'm pretty sure it's not the right way though..)? You have got to be shitting me.

Anyway:
Uh, the topic about purely morals should be over with this: Jimmy Carter.

Great guy, great morals, shitty President.

On another note, to get this topic even farther off-topic
A Scathing editorial by the Doctor Ron Paul: Commentary: GOP should ask why U.S. is on the wrong track - CNN.com

If you read it, it's scathing to both Republicans and Democrats.

 

[3rgytr54]

1. What is this war you people are taking about? The war ended when Saddam was captured.. It is not a war anymore but a mere fight of The U.S and Iraqis against extremists.

2. I personally know someone over there at the moment. He currently is proposing to Iraqi business owners and getting them to rebuild their businesses around Military bases which will be handed over to the Iraqi government is a couple years.

3. Obama was born in HI but grew up in Indonesia for some time. McCain was born in the panama canal zone (I'm pretty sure) They are both US citizens, if not the scum bags of media would be all over it.

 

[Arvedui]

1.) The war against Iraq wasn't technically a war, so technically they mean the War on Terror.
2.) Yeah me too, they're actually doing really well, just no one reports it.
3.) Actually both were reported by the media, but quickly resolved so both were a non-issue anymore.

 

[Ash]

1.) The war against Iraq wasn't technically a war, so technically they mean the War on Terror.

It was hardly a social gathering though, was it.

The war on terror is a term used to describe the current middle eastern theatre, I.E Afghanistan, Iraq, etc, however the 'war on iraq' is still a war, in iraq.

 

[Arvedui]

We never officially declared War on the Iraqi government. Thus it is not legally a war.

There was not a war declaration, either in connection with Al Qaida or in Iraq. It was an authorization to use military force. I only want to clarify that, because there are implications. Obviously, when you talk about a war declaration, you're possibly talking about affecting treaties, diplomatic relations. And so there is a distinction in law and in practice. And we're not talking about a war declaration. This is an authorization only to use military force.

 

[Mr. Bob]

You have little faith in humanity. Ouch.

I won't even comment on the first part.


Pretty sure you can't run for president if you weren't born in the country. If he wasn't, we'd be hearing all about it in the media. Maybe I'm wrong, but I highly doubt you're right.

I agree that getting out of the war now is a bad idea. It won't help anything if they leave now, and it will show the world that the US can be defeated by far weaker army. Dictators don't seem to give a shit about the UN, and if the US pull out, I doubt they will fear the US anymore. Which can't be good.

Of course this is all speculation by some random 18 year old kid that really doesn't know a whole lot.

lol

You can't even tell me how I am wrong about morals. There is no 'law' about morals. So no.

Second, THE MEDIA DOESN'T CARE! The media WANTS Barrack Obama. They say, "Fair and balanced". That's a lie. THEY ALL KNOW HE WAS NOT BORN HERE.

And lol, your last comment is so odd. How do you know if I know a lot? I find you quite amusing. I frankly, do not think you may know a lot. It makes no difference at all.

 

[punwisp]

lol

You can't even tell me how I am wrong about morals. There is no 'law' about morals. So no.

Second, THE MEDIA DOESN'T CARE! The media WANTS Barrack Obama. They say, "Fair and balanced". That's a lie. THEY ALL KNOW HE WAS NOT BORN HERE.

And lol, your last comment is so odd. How do you know if I know a lot? I find you quite amusing. I frankly, do not think you may know a lot. It makes no difference at all.

How do you know he wasn't born here? because of his last name? because a persons last name really means absolutely nothing.

Also you have to be born in the country to run for president, thats why Arnold can't run for president =P

 

[Mr. Bob]

How do you know he wasn't born here? because of his last name? because a persons last name really means absolutely nothing.

Also you have to be born in the country to run for president, thats why Arnold can't run for president =P

Explain to me this.

1. Why does his ENTIRE family say he was born in Kenya.
2. Why did he seal his birth certifacate in Kenya till after the election.
3. Why has he not come forward to the court with his birth certifacate.

And when did I mention that his name had anything to do with it?

And Brad, that was on the verge of a flame. And, no. The "Fair and balanced" was merely an example.

This thread will turn into a flame war if I stay longer. If you have any more comments for me, my PM file is open.

Any other comments that are NOT in a PM, will not be seen. Good day to you all.

PS: These are merely my opinions. No need for everyone to get crazy.

 

[3rgytr54]

Dude, take a chill pill-

He has to be born here otherwise the judicial branch would be allllllllllll over him.

 

[Mr. Bob]

Dude, take a chill pill-

He has to be born here otherwise the judicial branch would be allllllllllll over him.

This is the last post I shall reply to. Or even read.

They have no evidence. He had his certifacate sealed in Kenya. He just says, "I was born in Hawaii!"

Why the heck would his entire family state he was born in Kenya? And why would he not come forward with is birth certifacate? Why the heck would he seal it in Kenya till after the election?

It makes no sense. Anyway, interesting points guys. I congratulate the man. Even though, we know nothing about him and he has no experience.

Good guy I guess.

(At least, we don't have Hillary!)

 

[Ash]

We never officially declared War on the Iraqi government. Thus it is not legally a war.

That's like saying that Nazi Germany killing Jews wasn't a holocaust. Smart up a bit, mate.

 

[Pyritie]

This is the last post I shall reply to. Or even read.

They have no evidence. He had his certifacate sealed in Kenya. He just says, "I was born in Hawaii!"

Why the heck would his entire family state he was born in Kenya? And why would he not come forward with is birth certifacate? Why the heck would he seal it in Kenya till after the election?

Did they really say that? Or did the media just make that up. Proof plx.

 

[ike_ike]

So you believe his family but not him. Interesting.

Also, Wikipedia, being the reputable source that it is, says that he is indeed from Hawaii.

 

[Vicboy]

We never officially declared War on the Iraqi government. Thus it is not legally a war.

Didn't you declare war against Saddam's government of Iraq?

Now, they replaced them with some good guys...

And who said you need to actually fight a country to call it a war?

 

[Gilles]

True. The only problem with morals is that they are entirely subjective. My vote might swing if it was something like lying or exposed corruption they've been pulling, but not most of the mudslinging crap the media has pulled off (oh no when John McCain was 4 he stole a beach ball from his friend! when Obama was 12 he cheated on a spelling test!)
Nothing was ever that extreme, but the media and both parties' campaigns did do an annoyingly nice job of making mountains out of molehills per usual out of minuscule things that shouldn't even be cared about.
--donut3.5--

I'm not really talking about that though, I'm talking about Gay marriage, abortion, euthanasia, ect.

You can't even tell me how I am wrong about morals. There is no 'law' about morals. So no.

I figured it would be futile, and I honestly didn't understand you, so I ignored it.
Law about morals? What are you talking about? All I asked was if people voted on morals at all. Morals

Second, THE MEDIA DOESN'T CARE! The media WANTS Barrack Obama. They say, "Fair and balanced". That's a lie. THEY ALL KNOW HE WAS NOT BORN HERE.

You still have not given us any proof of this. I'd appreciate it if you'd link us to some information, or just stop getting worked up and drop it.

And lol, your last comment is so odd. How do you know if I know a lot? I find you quite amusing. I frankly, do not think you may know a lot. It makes no difference at all.

Sorry about that, I was referring to myself. Poor communication on my part.
Also when people use things like " I find you quite amusing." it doesn't make you look smart and mature.

 

[Arvedui]

That's like saying that Nazi Germany killing Jews wasn't a holocaust. Smart up a bit, mate.

It's like you didn't read what I wrote.

Let me put it to you in layman's terms.

We did NOT legally write up a declaration of war and have Congress approve it.

Is that so fucking hard to understand?

I'm talking from a legal standpoint, you need to "smart up a bit, mate."

 

[Mr. Bob]

Ok guys, you obviously, did not read were I said to PM me.

First! The morals issue. What decides "good" and what is "bad"? Unless you are a christian, which I am, it makes no sense. And lastly, this has nothing to do with the original point. So drop it now.

Second! The proof. Just search google. It's everywhere. There is even a guy making a law suit against him. Type in "Barrack Obama born in Kenya" You can even search Youtube. I am still baffled that you guys don't know about it.

Now! Just for Gilles. When you post, you tend to be a bit arrogant. I am not trying to look mature. When I said, "you amuse me" I seriously meant, that you amuse me. Please, when you start making comments like that, you stray from the actual point. If you want to question my character, do it somewhere else. And be mature about it. You keep making assumptions. Like, "you are worked up". How do you know I am worked up? I merely used caps. For all you know, I might not even care about this.

Next! ike_ike, wikis are NOT a good place to look for information. There is a chance it can be wrong. I never use wiki's.

Now please guys, if you want to continue this, PM me. Do not reply here. It seems people just want to "get me" instead of actually talking with me.

 

[Gilles]

Ok guys, you obviously, did not read were I said to PM me.

PMs are for chumps. I prefer to duke it out in public.

First! The morals issue. What decides "good" and what is "bad"? Unless you are a christian, which I am, it makes no sense. And lastly, this has nothing to do with the original point. So drop it now.

We should drop it, and gosh darn I wish I had thought of that first.

Second! The proof. Just search google. It's everywhere. There is even a guy making a law suit against him. Type in "Barrack Obama born in Kenya" You can even search Youtube. I am still baffled that you guys don't know about it.

I looked on youtube. It's just a conspiracy, there's no proof at all. They showed videos of Kenyans saying he was originally from Africa, and you consider that proof? I would figure they are talking about the fact that his ancestors are from Africa, and so he is originally from Africa.

And the media would jump all over him if he was. Something of that size would be huge news, and they love tearing apart good people.

Now! Just for Gilles. When you post, you tend to be a bit arrogant. I am not trying to look mature. When I said, "you amuse me" I seriously meant, that you amuse me. Please, when you start making comments like that, you stray from the actual point. If you want to question my character, do it somewhere else. And be mature about it. You keep making assumptions. Like, "you are worked up". How do you know I am worked up? I merely used caps. For all you know, I might not even care about this.

I don't think I'm arrogant, although I'm probably not very objective with myself, so I won't deny it.

Using all caps on the internet is compared to yelling in real life, so using them will usually lead people to think you are worked up. Don't use them if you want to look clam.

This last paragraph is actually very off topic so we should drop this part as well, just debate the Obama stuff.

 

[3rgytr54]

PMs are for chumps. I prefer to duke it out in public.

Good one.

This last paragraph is actually very off topic so we should drop this part as well, just debate the Obama stuff.

Great idea.

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Obama ran unopposed for his senate seat, this is going to be an interesting 4 years...

People are already placing beats on when he will be assassinated.....

 

[Pyritie]

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[hr]length of your line, in pixels[/hr]

I usually use 500 or so.

 

[Mr. Bob]

Nobody has answered the three questions yet.

Well, regardless of the fact that he may be foreign, he is a good guy. I am just wary of the fact that he might bring 'bad' change. Not 'good'. He has no real experience after all. No one can say for sure were he was born right now. So, I guess we will just have to see.

In fact, the exact same thing happened in Cuba you know....Someone came along saying "We need change!" and now look at what Cuba is....

And lastly, Gilles, I don't want to 'look' like anything. I am just giving opinions. And, telling someone who is off topic, something that is off topic, to get him on topic is not on topic but helps to get you on topic.

I had no idea we were 'duking it out'. I was merely giving opinions. So, because you seem to be in the fighting spirit, PM anything else. No one else here cares about it. Just use PM. No need to try and look 'manly'.

CONVERSATION OFFICIALLY DROPPED!

 

[Aeroblyctos]

CONVERSATION OFFICIALLY DROPPED!

I wonder how many times you'll say that again in near future.

 

[Mr. Bob]

I wonder how many times you'll say that again in near future.

Depends on how many times he continues it. He is always looking for a fight. I am guessing he will continue it several more times. NOW GET BACK ON TOPIC!

 

[Ash]

A fight, on the internet.

Aren't you two mature.

 

[brad.dude03]

Fight?! on the internet?! I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WAS POSSIBLE.

This thread is basically exhausting itself. Unless anyone comes up with something relevant to say about Barack Obama winning the election soon, I'll close this thing.

 

[Gilles]

A fight, on the internet.

Aren't you two mature.

It's a battle of wits. Not a great one, but one nonetheless.

Closing this would probably be a good idea.

 

[brad.dude03]

I think so too.

Congratulations to Barrack Obama, the 44th President of the United States!

~Closed.