Chaos Orc Race

[Moderator]

DesKaladA: umm this is a Alterd melee but its ok
approved
Update: Added category. Also what the doodle is up with the map thread?

 

[Mechanical Man]

-fix some tooltips
-chaos blademaster is always avalaible to train, but always with the cost secondary hero (usually first heroes are free)
-other heroes are not avalaible at higher tiers, you are able to train only one hero
-infernal contraption should not be avalaible immediately and it is supposed to be a siege unit (unless you really wanted this way)
-there is strange bug after I built war mill, the birth animation geosets (you know those bones appear after beginning to build orc building) is sometimes dancig above certain units :S

 

[MasterHaosis]

Yes, I was work fast on map, so I will fixed maybe in next version.
Heeroes also must be fixed in next version.
Infernal Contraption should be like this.
And this bug....Isn't bug inmap. It comes from model.
When Chaos Great Hall upgrades to Chaos Stronghold at appears some bones around untill finish upgrade. But it don't affect game. Game will never crashed I tested it many times

 

[MasterHaosis]

Map is cool, there is no errors that affect game or mistakes that disable some units, unit training or building structures, or abilities .... Or Heeroes abilities
Everything is fine except few tooltips and heeros training, I must set only one Heero per Great Hall/Stronghold/Fortress

 

[Mechanical Man]

It would be good if you could replace those non-animated buildings like defiled fountain.

 

[MasterHaosis]

Thanks for comments Mechanical Man ! I will accept it gladly but i can't understand how fountain doesnot have animation. I saw th has active animation. And it's not defiled fountain it is Fountain of blood. It is need, It must bee in Outland. It is primary structure there, how demons exist if don't drink blood ? So and Demonic orcs (fel Orc)

 

[knight26]

ARE U KIDDIG ME NOT APROVED YET ...it rocks i mean it why dont u make a campaign or more maps with this race and make other races too cuz u have the talent...

 

[SanKakU]

hey newb, check this out...i'm not bothering to test the map because i noticed that your map and the other two that are similar that i'm looking at all have the same big problem...i mean you shouldn't have that setting in a custom game, you should never have it...but it's absolutely unacceptable in a melee map. you need to set the map options game data set to Melee (Latest Patch)

 

[eMp-Jee]

alright, now heres my thoughts about the map:
chaos orcs rock, but in a real game they could not be implemented the way u did it , because of that fact that they are plain imba! I mean , every unit of the orcs has got chaos damage. which sounds at first nice, but makes it totally impossible to balance the gameplay.
Apart from that the 2 neutral bases are a funny idea but pretty "misplaced" on a melee map becuz if u creepjack someone while hes doing one of those bases, its like 2v1
In addition to that, u put some rewards in those neutral camps, which is nice, but there shouldnt be a tome of exp becuz u get already alot of exp killing all the crap in that camp^^.

there are also some minor to medium problems which I unfortunately forgot -

All in all, this map is nice from the terraining point of view but it smells like it needs some more improvement.
if u get everything going well and smoothy, this could become a nice map
thumbs up for m45t4 h405150r Ill give it a nicely meant 3/5 for now

 

[MasterHaosis]

Well I do not know about those races so much. I am expert only about Fel orcs.
First of all, they all must have chaos damage! They are called chaos orcs for that reason!
Demons tried to turn orcs to defeat Cenarius. So Mannorth put his blood into that fountain making it corrupted fountain of blood!it's blood line or blood pact between them and demons! When Orcs drink that blood they was still in green stage, but later became something different! They grow bigger their skin was red like demons, their eyes became yellow like demons, they got powered like demons with chaos damage! They are demonic orcs in fact!
So yes that means that they are much powerful than normal orcs, Fel Grunts are stronger than normal ones, Fel radiers, Kodo beats are also stronger than normals, but they are still balanced! Because normal orc has more spellcasters and more units! Fel orcs has less units but stronger, so it is balanced actually!
Okay Chaos orcs used normal orc buildings because they jut turned out, so demons sent them to fight with normal orcs. They didn't have time for creating new buildings. Now since they live in outland, its logical that they are using demonic style-buildings because they are using material from outland same as demons. Thats why their buildings is similiar as demons ones, except fel orc's buildings look same as Normal orcs ones, but instead normal rocks, as materials they use outland lava rocks and spikes!
Look at this picture General Frank made

As you see they are using lava rocks as materials which is logical cause they live with demons in outland!
Also Orcs are using Electric wepons mostly. But Chaos orcs are using Fire weapons instead which is logical too. Also in outland there no exist wolves, so instead rider they are using Fel Hound rider. Also instead wywerns they are using red dragons. Because they are also red skinner like Fel orcs and they are using fire weapon just like them. it is hard to kidnap wywerns from mountains and train them for fel orcs. Plus for that task they need to transport them to our dimension using those gates.
So they did easier job. They are using Red dragons because as you saw Red dragon roost, there are big mother dragon who produces dragons from her eggs! Its much easier to produce dragons from eggs than capturing wywerns. Thats why they are using Fel orcs riding red dragons to replace Wind Riders!
So they can use those spirit wywerns, because like Voids and nether dragons, tdemons can use some captured wywerns to sacrifice them maing them into Spirit wywerns to them and fel rocs for use! So they look like shaded/spirited voidwalkers and Nether dragons. Yeah as you notice Spirit wywern in my map, they serve as flying Shade! yeah they can reveal invisible units and they are invisible too.Also people for more informations about Chaos Orcs please check this link!
Fel orc - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft
And this
Chaos orc - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

 

[eMp-Jee]

I agree with ur saying about the chaos damage, I didnt say its bad, Im just trying to say that it is hard to balance coz chaos damages everything to 100% which is hard to implement in a normal game. if u plan to use this map as a campaign start, it is great^^,but in a normal bnet game, this would be hard to make it a nice game for everyone if u get what I mean

 

[MasterHaosis]

Yes yes I understand perfectly! Rep for you!
But man you see in my map you are ONLY chaos orcs! it means that human player cannot select others, so yeah for fun I made them little stronger than other normal races. This is not problem when you play alone vs. computer. Anway this map you cannot play on bnet I think. Yes yes if I made for many players, plus that you can chose your side, I would make it more balanced. They would be weaker. But still they will all have chaos damage because they must. Name chaos orc became from their chaos damage which means even peon has chaos damage. But of course I would reduce number of units. They will have less until than in my current map, so they will be balanced as other races! I would put less units for them, but compare with normal orcs for example those units are stronger, but normal orcs has much more units to choose to train. So they have also better spellcasters than fel orcs.

 

[VeljkoM]

I think I need to refresh your memory.
There are no red dragons in outland.Only Nether Dragons.
And actually there were wolves on Outland.In warcraft 1 when orcs came to Azeroth they did have wolf riders.And fel guards aren't orcs despite their color so fel hound rider isn't fel orc.
But that is lore stuff...
Map is great but kinda easy.And I just love Chaos Tauren.

 

[MasterHaosis]

Well like first. They serve under demons. So they are demons, or demonic ors, or at least they have behavior like demons. ANyway they live in outland/black citadel and Hellfire citadel. So they got fel guard raider because they are direclty supported by demons. There aren't big difference by them and demons except they are orcs too. If you noticed most of demons are similiar to fel orcs due to their red skin, chaos damage and place where they live, so even new models and buildings are unique for demons and fel orcs. Like I said there are no wolves in outland, in war craft 1 as I know didn't exist outland! Anyway this is WC3 I didn't see any wolf in outland, or in WOW (I never played that but people told me)
And like I said they are using red dragons, I didnt say that there exist red dragons in outland. They could capture whatever did to get Red Dragon roosts to get red dragons. Well its easy cause those dragons are probably immortal and due to dragons eggs they can have big number of those dragons.
Well yeah it doesn;t have sense why blizzard put red dragons for them when they gan get nether dragons from Demons in outland. But like i said only connection between fel orcs and red dragons are in red skin, chaos damage and fire weapon.

 

[VeljkoM]

Well in Warcraft 1 there was Dreanor.It wasn't destroyed then so races were normal and not corrupted.Maybe then wolves lived.
Fel guards are demons and not orcs.Felguard - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft
And isn't black dragon rider in game.That can be explained because Deathwing was in outland laying eggs(before the explosion).Neather dragons were once black dragons.

 

[MasterHaosis]

Yeah man you are right! yes about those Nether dragons, and such. Especially man about that about Wc1 and stuff. I don't know many about races, I am expert only about Fel orcs. For rest races.. nah I am not expert you know probably better than me.

But I didn't say that Fel Guards are fel orcs. I told only that fel orcs are supported by demons, and they are similiar to them.
You see in link you psoted this writes
,,The felguard are the Burning Legion's rank and file soldiers, and are conscripted from the mo'arg demon race.

The felguard operate under the direction of doom guards, pit lords, and other Legion commanders and generals"
Well Fel Orcs are some demonic races too, they are under demon's serve too, They are red skinned and have chaos damage like Fel guards too. And they live in Outland too.
But look at this now

This is fel orc warlord, but it is used also in some demons maps. So would you notice difference if he didn't name it ,,Fel Orc" only just Warlord?

Also look at this

And especially this one

You see first one is named just Fel Rider! it isn't named Fel Guard rider! because author as meny people I saw in their maps since I was moderator, they are using it as fel orc!
Especially this second one! You see that second one is also Fel Guard riding FelHound beast!
But General Frank made it as Fel Orc! Because in apperiance there is no difference between Fel Guards and Fel Orcs. You see I saw in some map, one guy used Green Orc skin for fel guard, so it became typical orc. Same as Red Guard version. Its similar to chaos ones!
Also please look at this

This is another Fel Guard riding car, but it is named ChaosOrc!
Because it is same so you can use those models both in both demons and chaos orc race. Of course not if you have both races in one map!
Plus those buildings General Frank made, he is using them in both Demons and Chaos Orcs because they are similiar.
You saw his Altar. If it is used by demons it's named Altar of Terror, if used to Fel Orcs it is called Altar of Chaos...

 

[VeljkoM]

OK
I was just pointing out that they aren't same race.Still it is fun to play.

 

[Kael Theron]

Hey it seems to be a very good map, MasterHaosis, I have to check it ut the idea is really good

I think I need to refresh your memory.
There are no red dragons in outland.Only Nether Dragons..

That's strange but in Chapter 5 of Blood Elf's campaign in TFT there are some red dragons used by fel orcs fighting Illidan (they appear in the upper base if my memory doesn't fail me). And also Blackrock warlocks (fel part of the clan in Blackrock'n roll Too) uses red dragons. It's a bit not all-right with the lore, bu they appear. And in my oppinion they fit fel orc quite nice, even nicer that nether drakes[/QUOTE]

And I just love Chaos Tauren.

Hmm it seems that u really hate taurens. No tauren in avater, just nothing about tauren. And again u say sth bad about tauren. Why do u thing they're so bad?

JK of course

 

[VeljkoM]

I forgot about Blood Elf mission mission.Yes you are right.
And also Dragonmaw clan uses red dragon since Second war.But that is on Azeroth.
Then again it is Blizzards problem not mine.Like many other aspects of lore.

 

[Kael Theron]

Ok very nice map as I stated, But I've found some things which needs fixing:
- icons which show u how many free peons u have uses normal orc peaon icon
- U can have as many blademasters as u want cause they are always available
- even when u have fortress and have two heroes some heroes which weren't used are still not available
- when u have stronghold and u used warchief previous u can train him again
- sroll of healing is never available cause it requires Black Citadel
- change descriptions of some upgrades and hero abilities cause they don't fit to the race/hero
FOR EXAMPLE: blademaster has immolation ability and in the descriptions it is said that "it allows DEMON HUNTER..."
EXAMPLE 2: when u upgrade armor of buildings the description says that it "upgrades armor of watch towers and BURROWS" while your chaos orc have FOUNTAINS OF BLOOD
- some buildings don't have name or descriptions when u want to build them:
*chaos demonic gate - no name, no description
*dragon roost - no description
*fountain of blood - no name, no description
- when u build chaos mill and send peon to wood something really strange happens: I can't explain it so I'll give the picture
Cause I don't know how to upload a picture in my post on hive I'll give a link:
http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bug01pm0.png
What happens: those parts which are flying in the air on the screen appear on mill just as it was still building while under them the building is ready. Moreover when your peon comes close to it with wood they dissapear from the building and start to fly around the peon I guess it is fault of the model maker so u can do nothing about that
- chaeck all descriptions, some really don't fit to the race and I might haven't noticed sth

That's all bugs I can remember now. Try to fix and then it would be 4.99999/5 (0.00000001 lost cause it's EASYYYYYYYYYY ). The idea really nice. Keep up good job!!!!

 

[knight26]

Kael Tharon hes aware of some bugs and as for the pic u posted thats animation error not MasterHaosis problem so schh and hide that as quick as possible!

 

[Dentothor]

This map... Is Just amazing...
200000000000/5
I Think ive said enough

 

[SanKakU]

i like your improvements on the story and overall development of the race so far...looks pretty good, but there is a problem i see with the red dragons being used by fel orcs. it won't work. you'll have to come up with a different flying unit i guess. maybe use the purple looking dragons? nether dragons i think they're called, yeah.

I think KaelTheron is making that up about the red dragons btw. i guess i'll double check it.

red dragons are from the human/night elf world. not the orc world.

edit: oh i see...you mean those red dragons...yeah huh...

can't say so much about that. i guess those are orcs that escaped the humans reattacking during the second war or whatever. i guess the orcs are using the dragons to protect those portals under the command of magtheridon...must be the last of the red dragons from the second war... very interesting.

yeah just as i suspected...i checked again and there is no dragon roosts...so those are definitely the last of the red dragons from the second war (Warcraft II)...so this fits with the story fine, the red dragons in that mission, that is. those will die and then that's it for them in outland. they don't exist anymore after that.

you can't get red dragons from outland i think is the bottom line.

 

[stan0033]

your custom race lacks tooltips and button placement. There is more to work on it.