Chant 1.6 FINAL

[Daffa]

@StoPCampinGn00b @Rheiko @[E]clipse @Leo Akastenix @Directive255

Tagging the party.

EDIT :
Oh yeah, I took @redscores terrain too, should've add that to credit list.

EDIT 2 :
Taking model orders if any of you five want aesthetic changes.

 

[Cherrymage]

Wonderful!

P.S. In the future do you plan to make a single player version, where one can control all five characters to fight Daffa?

4/5, the game has an interesting concept and a simple enough combat system, but feels like missing something.

 

[Rheiko]

Impossible indeed. But when we all five join forces, your house is nothing but dust. One day, yes. One day, we will. But today is not the day.

Voting for Direct-ive cut! 6/5 Such splendid concept and Idea.

the game has an interesting concept and a simple enough combat system, but feels like missing something.

Yes, however I also wasn't able to pinpoint what is it that missing.

Edit: Forgot to mention, the musics are kinda overlapping onto each other. Needs fix!

 

[Daffa]

Wonderful!

P.S. In the future do you plan to make a single player version, where one can control all five characters to fight Daffa?

4/5, the game has an interesting concept and a simple enough combat system, but feels like missing something.

I'll do such things in near future.

Impossible indeed. But when we all five join forces, your house is nothing but dust. One day, yes. One day, we will. But today is not the day.

Voting for Direct-ive cut! 6/5 Such splendid concept and Idea.


Yes, however I also wasn't able to pinpoint what is it that missing.

Hahaha, one day eh?
Laughed at the sarcasm of Director Cut itself.

 

[Unregret]

Good Minigame

 

[Daffa]

Good Minigame

Thank you very much, I would love to hear some criticism as well to improve this thing, if I can get motivated.

EDIT :
Okay boys, I got motivated now. So, here's a quick sharp update.

 

[Cherrymage]

Yay! Update!

Behold the Kaiser's Wrath!

 

[Daffa]

Forgot to mention now singleplayer and multiplayer will result in same five member party.

 

[ILH]

I tried this with my friends, full party
I expected a good game but somethings didn't turn quite right...
> Terrain is a little bit... messy? The grass trims doesn't look logical as it is supposed to be trimmed with a design, sunken ruin trees and just plain grass also doesn't make it an interesting view (You can use combinations of Ashenvale grasses). Maybe more trees, shrubs or rocks in the forest.
> I love the idea of using the RBB, however it was quite boring when its not your turn because you can't chat or do anything, not even able to look at the units' healthbars. One guy went AFK and the others left without any notifications...
> The weather effect is too spammy with that certain angle of view, never tried the second camera though.
> Perhaps you can add linear fogs or a sky to fill up the blank areas behind the trees. Random weathers could be awesome as well.
> You might also want to add a damage indicator and how much health left a unit has after an attack was launched.
> Are there resource credits?

Critics aside, this is a map with a good idea and I see great potentials

 

[Daffa]

@ILH
Now that's some critiques

Are there resource credits?

There are, in Hive description. Yet to be in-game.

Terrain is a little bit... messy? The grass trims doesn't look logical as it is supposed to be trimmed with a design, sunken ruin trees and just plain grass also doesn't make it an interesting view (You can use combinations of Ashenvale grasses). Maybe more trees, shrubs or rocks in the forest.

I don't do the terrain. I directly took it from @redscores test map, to be honest.

I love the idea of using the RBB, however it was quite boring when its not your turn because you can't chat or do anything, not even able to look at the units' healthbars. One guy went AFK and the others left without any notifications...

Yeah, I have thought about AFK. It's quite difficult to deal with however. I'll do something if I can for the chat.

The weather effect is too spammy with that certain angle of view, never tried the second camera though.

I have no alternative for now, maybe I'll figure something else out.

Perhaps you can add linear fogs or a sky to fill up the blank areas behind the trees. Random weathers could be awesome as well.

I'll consider this one

You might also want to add a damage indicator and how much health left a unit has after an attack was launched.

Want to have the health bar on by default? Damage indicators... I guess I can use floating texts or something.

I will do these critics as soon as possible, if I get motivated that is.

 

[ILH]

There are, in Hive description. Yet to be in-game.

Woops, I didn't see it, sorry xD

Yeah, I have thought about AFK. It's quite difficult to deal with however.

Perhaps a timer that ends one's turn.

I have no alternative for now, maybe I'll figure something else out.

Maybe fogs, maybe custom weather models?

Want to have the health bar on by default?

I had the heatlh bar on by default, it didn't show when its not my turn.
And yes a health bar floating text above a unit could be good enough.

 

[Daffa]

Woops, I didn't see it, sorry xD

I'll add one in Quest log in the next update.

Perhaps a timer that ends one's turn.

I thought of the same thing to

Maybe fogs, maybe custom weather models?

I want it to have magical feels, considering you're facing a Mage

I had the heatlh bar on by default, it didn't show when its not my turn.
And yes a health bar floating text above a unit could be good enough.

I see. I'll see what I can do.

EDIT :
On more serious note, this map WAS suppose to be a joke for the five people who messed my front door (visitor message).

 

[Cherrymage]

Hmm, if you're idle enough, maybe add an intro cinematic showing SCN screaming "Daffa Daffa Daffa Daffa..." to you? And show us vandalizing your front door (or gate)?

 

[Daffa]

Hmm, if you're idle enough, maybe add an intro cinematic showing SCN screaming "Daffa Daffa Daffa Daffa..." to you? And show us vandalizing your front door (or gate)?

That's quite an amount of work. I'll keep that if I can get REALLY motivated.

EDIT :
Change Misc/Others into Mini-Game, now there goes away our category problems

 

[Daffa]

A heads up. I have added difficulty system for the next version (and yeah having a hard time defeating the hardest difficulty). I also added more spells to player's reportaire to help them squeeze up the harder difficulties.

And yeah, you'll hate the highest difficulty once you see the BS damage the enemy dealt in one turn.

Just need to finish score system and this thing is ready for moderation

---
In regards to health bar, I won't change that one. It gives the 'danger' feels.
I also am lazy, so terrain stays for now

 

[Rheiko]

Hmm, if you're idle enough, maybe add an intro cinematic showing SCN screaming "Daffa Daffa Daffa Daffa..." to you? And show us vandalizing your front door (or gate)?

'TIS. I SUPPORT THEE.

 

[Daffa]

'TIS. I SUPPORT THEE.

I doubt that'll happen though. I do consider it if I will mess with it after the gameplay update.

 

[Cherrymage]

Ehh, by the way... a bug if i'm right:

"Directive255 revives GravestoneDummy"
"StoPCampinGn00b revives GravestoneDummy"

P.S. I've noticed variety in character stats and abilities, cool!

But ofc mine is the coolest! I can do both Fire and Area Heal at the same time, yay! I have a bit more health than patrick and I have lots of mana too!

 

[Daffa]

Patrick has a bunch more mana.

I have modified the roles accordingly in the next update. Patrick will be the sole 'area heal' user while two others act as singular healers. It's not always best to rely on area heal, as sometimes it does more harm than good.

I also changed the text bug @Directive255 mentioned.

These are already set. As I said before, only score system remains.

 

[Cherrymage]

How about giving a "mana heal" to one of the characters? Right now the only way to replenish your mana is to have yourself killed then get revived.

And enemy's health regenerates in the background before I do any action. Is this a bug, or was this intentional to discourage wasting time?
And how about regenerating mana over time, or Siphon/Transfer Mana?

 

[Daffa]

I don't think mana heal will suit. About regeneration... HoT will do I guess. On my list then.

 

[Daffa]

Hooray for updates!

Hopefully last till it got approval, if it merits that is.

 

[deepstrasz]

1. Please avoid playing music through the sound channel and use the music channel (eg: use the other Play Music trigger).
2. Would be nice to see more camera shots than that static one.
3. Even the archer (Sylvanas) attacks from a melee range.
4. I suggest more challenges/battles. The idea is really nice but you have to make it longer with diversity.

Awaiting Update.

 

[Daffa]

1. Will do. It's actually the system's part. I thought I could leave that be, but seems not (and it got Spell Section approval AFAIR).
2. It's not that cooperative with gameplay (btw, there's a second camera). If I were to make camera more dynamic, abilities needs more of an actual display. Well, that will not change a lot in flavor context. More lost than gain IMO.
3. Welp, forgot that it suppose to be ranged. I must be lazy there to just copy paste it out. Archer was a Paladin btw.
4. Challenges might do, for battles... have you try it at least twice? The unit poll that guard the boss is mix and match to give some diversity and additional gameplay difficulty at random.

 

[deepstrasz]

4. Challenges might do, for battles... have you try it at least twice? The unit poll that guard the boss is mix and match to give some diversity and additional gameplay difficulty at random.

Actually, I see the same enemy units appearing, either more of a type or less.
You could use other Hive members as bosses with their own guard/entourage.

 

[IcemanBo]

1. Will do. It's actually the system's part. I thought I could leave that be, but seems not (and it got Spell Section approval AFAIR).

What system do you use? (can't find it in the credits list)

 

[Daffa]

@IcemanBo

It's old though.
RBB - Round-based Battle System V1.04

 

[IcemanBo]

^Ah, ok, my fault-- I have looked for a music, or sound system. I just wanted to check why it is a problem. But wayne.

 

[Cherrymage]

DISCLAIMER : I have Ralle's permission to use resources at Staff Contact unless Atlus made a copyright claim over the map.

What does this mean?

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1. Please avoid playing music through the sound channel and use the music channel (eg: use the other Play Music trigger).

1. Will do. It's actually the system's part. I thought I could leave that be, but seems not (and it got Spell Section approval AFAIR).

No wonder why two musics were playing at once...

4. I suggest more challenges/battles. The idea is really nice but you have to make it longer with diversity.

Agreed.

3. Welp, forgot that it suppose to be ranged. I must be lazy there to just copy paste it out. Archer was a Paladin btw.

You lazy mage

 

[Daffa]

What does this mean?

The song is copyrighted, but I have asked the staff (and Ralle answered the thread of matter) if I can use the said song for the map theme. In case of copyright claims, I will quickly take down the map and update it with the default theme.
The song is used in Persona 5 by Atlus, you can find it on the second to last boss.

No wonder why two musics were playing at once...

I don't get that during my tests, so it's a surprise. Must be me being lazy though.

You lazy mage

I am, and I am not proud of it.

Actually, I see the same enemy units appearing, either more of a type or less.
You could use other Hive members as bosses with their own guard/entourage.

I'll do more units for variation. And yes, some extra gifts on top of it.
I won't make more bosses unless I can wrap the messy system properly. It was a pain to get them to work in singleplayer before. And if I do make them, they get their own map instead.

^Ah, ok, my fault-- I have looked for a music, or sound system. I just wanted to check why it is a problem. But wayne.

I apologize for the inconvenience.

 

[Deleted member 242951]

Been so long since I played a wc3 custom map, might as well start with this one

 

[Cherrymage]

Been so long since I played a wc3 custom map, might as well start with this one

Great! Now let's smash Daffa's front door together!

 

[Deleted member 242951]

Great! Now let's smash Daffa's front door together!

Smashing Daffa's front door cured my autism, I hope it cures my chronic procrastination next :3

 

[Daffa]

Just want to share that I died when I was about to won in Merciless. Butthurt much that over 4K damage spell.

In regards to update, I have added some more events but I am still thinking of additions to make it more interesting. Actually, even passing standard by a small amount to earn approval is more than enough for this map, considering it's a just for fun joke map

 

[Cherrymage]

Wow, another update! Nice!

P.S.

Added an event to grant further frustration

What do you mean...?

 

[Daffa]

Why not try it yourself in Mastermind?

 

[deepstrasz]

Alright, this is being updated regularly and I hope it develops even further so,

Approved.

 

[Daffa]

I need some input for events in-game aside one in 1.3
@Directive255 @Leo Akastenix @[E]clipse @Rheiko @StoPCampinGn00b

 

[Cherrymage]

Hmm, maybe Daffa cast a spell of blizzard and snowstorm?

2. How about Daffa engulfing the entire battlefield with Faiya, I mean, fire?

3. Daffa could also resurrect one of his fallen minions...

Perhaps also a chance for events about player characters? Like a boost to a Player's power? Or maybe after casting a spell, a slim chance for allied minions for players to appear?

 

[Daffa]

Hmm, maybe Daffa cast a spell of blizzard and snowstorm?

2. How about Daffa engulfing the entire battlefield with Faiya, I mean, fire?

3. Daffa could also resurrect one of his fallen minions...

Perhaps also a chance for events about player characters? Like a boost to a Player's power? Or maybe after casting a spell, a slim chance for allied minions for players to appear?

Variation eh? Might slip an entire buff system along then.

2. You want DPS?

3. The reinforcement was part of that actually... But by every few turns... Not so sure without ruining the already harsh day.

Player buffing? NO. I have something else in mind for such things though. I think Mastermind need an extra twist.

 

[Cherrymage]

2. Sure -- it's fire so it's supposed to hurt every second...

3. Make it so that it'll only be considered every 30 rounds or more, and even during the specified turn, make the chance for minion resurrection slim?

4. Why? It will make things more interesting...

Hmm what is it? What twist do you mean? ^^

5. Also I would like to be something else...
I wanna be this type of Death Knight

Teron Gorefiend Model

 

[Daffa]

What for? (the model)

2. Okay
3. Hmm...
4. It's about how the system works. A lot of rework needed for summoning.

 

[Cherrymage]

I think being this kind of Death Knight in the game is way more appropriate and cooler than before ^^

Make me a Caster Death Knight plz...

Also if you have time, I wish to have some fancy spells inspired from Warcraft II. You can look at this for inspiration and ideas : Warcraft II Death Knight

Spell suggestions :

1. Unholy Armor -- takes out half of a unit's current health to make it invulnerable for three rounds. Can be used on myself.

2. Death Coil -- AoE lifesteal spell, every enemy within gets damaged equally ===OR=== Targets a few specific enemies, restores caster health as much as the damage dealt.

3. Haste -- either allows the affected ally to take two actions on a turn for three turns, or double their attacks next round.

4. Death and Decay -- Powerful AoE spell

 

[Daffa]

I think being this kind of Death Knight in the game is way more appropriate and cooler than before ^^

Make me a Caster Death Knight plz...

Also if you have time, I wish to have some fancy spells inspired from Warcraft II. You can look at this for inspiration and ideas : Warcraft II Death Knight

Spell suggestions :

1. Unholy Armor -- takes out half of a unit's current health to make it invulnerable for three rounds. Can be used on myself.

2. Death Coil -- AoE lifesteal spell, every enemy within gets damaged equally ===OR=== Targets a few specific enemies, restores caster health as much as the damage dealt.

3. Haste -- either allows the affected ally to take two actions on a turn for three turns, or double their attacks next round.

4. Death and Decay -- Powerful AoE spell

You mean a new model for your character?

I'll take my time working on those, won't be soon though.
1. Simple. Is it castable each round?
2. I only do the first
3. I only take the second (indirectly, they're weaker version of 'Charge' spells)
4. Will do.

 

[Cherrymage]

Yes.

Good. I can wait for my new spells... even it's only two

 

[Daffa]

Quick 1.4 update coming out!

Spoiler: 1.4

Changed Directive's Heal with Unholy Armor
Changed Heal Support (Leo) with Dark Energy
Daffa the Mage now has Arctic Nova, which deals low damage but has freeze chance
Reduced damage taken in Mastermind Difficulty
Increased Attack (Rheiko/Directive) and Attack (Leo) damage
Increased Assault Signal (Directive) turn effect increased
Increased Inferno damage
Increased Soul Break damage
Increased Fire damage
Attack (Leo) now has 1% chance to deal 9x normal damage
Attack (Eclipse) now deal 50% additional critical damage
Heaven Force used by Phoenix now grants Iron Shield
Fixed some tooltips
Fixed coloring issues

 

[Cherrymage]

yay

Hmm am I now a Death Knight? ^^

P.S. I hope I can play as Edge45 the awesome Piemaster of Rotten Eggs one day

 

[Daffa]

Not yet, that's for 1.5 update.

 

[Daffa]

I urged all whom played older versions to update to this patch, especially people who play the 1.4 version. It fixes a major bug with Unholy Armor and the gameplay was quite nerfed for those who dislike the overall challenge that was imposed.