Changing that Tauren-Thingy.

[Xezko]

Well, i v played this map the other day, and i noticed that the witch doctor is weird tauren-thingy thats isnt similar to the D3 WD. Then, i hav an idea.
Saddly, im not hav idea how to edit a model, but i can give and idea to one modeller.
The model, could be based on the Trollish witch doctor. Why? Simple:
The Witch Doctor of Wc3 is thin and his movements are like the D3 Witch Doctor. by the way, the tauren are really muscled and doesnt fit wit a witch doctor.
Mostly of the changes i hav in mind can be do it by editing the skin, but other changes need to be done by changin the model.
There is my idea:

Firts of all, we need to remove some unusuable things, like these:

This will look like this one:

Then, we can add other stuff, like this concept:

Later, we need to create the shield and the mask. These can be attachments or part of the model.
These are concept of how they be made:

One time we get the model done, we need to simply do a skin to make this WD look more like a Black human and not like Blue Troll.

I think this changes doesnt get too more file size, because the model will remplace the tauren one, and the skin doesnt will get too high size.

Hope this idea get make and a modeller can do this.

More Ideas to come!
See ya!

 

[Slaydon]

I feel like the hair got bugged :s but cool

 

[Xezko]

Well, if someone can do da model, i will be glad of do the skin for it.
Some C&C about my idea?

 

[CloudWolf]

I like it We're always looking for ways to make the map look more like the real D3

The only problem I have is that the warcraft 3 witch-doctor walk / attack animations aren't all that good :/ in my opinion, the shadow-hunter would make a better base model as the animations just look far cooler in game

However, if we could somehow make a witch-doctor using this model, but change the animations I'm all for it

 

[Xezko]

Well this is only a suggestion a simple idea. The real concept is that IS possible to change that horrib tauren thingy :S

 

[madqc]

good idea and i know that its possible to change animations between units

Edit: i will post this idea in the request forum of the hive.

 

[Xezko]

Attention!!:
I finally learned to model. I will work on this!
before to do that, i will need to ask to you, staff and players:
which model would i use to base?: Hero shadow hunter (troll) or Witch doctor (also troll)??
take a count that i dont know how to do anims so far, then the model will have the anims of the base model. (also i can import some anims of other models, but this has a limit.)

 

[dansaDisco]

The shape of the witch doctor is generally the best one.

But his attack animations ain't fitting at all. So I think those would need to be changed

 

[Xezko]

the shape isnt a real problem, i can change it a lot. btw, the real witch doctor (of D3, the one of blizzard) doesnt appear trowin nothin in the gp trailer like in this map. he has a knife or something, so his normal attacks are melee (this also happens with the wizard and will happen with all the characters, coz Wc3 isnt equal to D3 :S )

 

[redmarine]

the shape isnt a real problem, i can change it a lot. btw, the real witch doctor (of D3, the one of blizzard) doesnt appear trowin nothin in the gp trailer like in this map. he has a knife or something, so his normal attacks are melee (this also happens with the wizard and will happen with all the characters, coz Wc3 isnt equal to D3 :S )

The Witch Doctor in Diablo 3 is capable of throwing deadly bombs. Go ahead with it but make sure that the animations matches the one in Diablo 3.

 

[CloudWolf]

Your definately right there The troll WD model looks far more accurate than the one were using right now xD

If you can change the animations im totally up for using it We could also add some model edits like you suggested, and maybe a reskin to make him darker looking and less blue?

 

[The_Silent]

A new skin would be needed, I don't like the idea of a troll in a diablo III map

 

[madqc]

good we will wait till you make it

 

[CloudMax]

Not needed ^^
Its cloudwolfs choice anyway.
And yes, the troll witch doctor with a new skin and animation change would do the trick.

Decided to post it here anyway.

If you just change the texture, edit the model and change the animations, it will be much better then the current one.

 

[Xezko]

Well, i will ask to DD to make a skin for it, coz my ones are too cartoonish for this map ^^"
I will start now, screenshoots comin soon!

 

[dansaDisco]

No worries, as long as there is a model I will make the skin for sure :]

 

[Xezko]

Screenshot! =D

Hi!
here is a fast scrnsht, that i got so far:

Should i add a hero glow?
some other C&C?
Now im workin on add some light armor to he.
Feedback needed. =)

 

[dansaDisco]

Remove the staff, if possible.

In d3 he casts spell with his hands. I'm sure there is some fitting spell animation for that ingame.

Hero glow would be nice indeed.

http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/characters/

Try to use that as reference, so I'd suggest removing the mask and horns.

other than that, looks very nice for a start imo :]

 

[Xezko]

well, i didnt touch the staff so far. i will remove it, it isnt a final version.
i make the mask for it, coz CW will not use attachment system or something, if i remove that mask, then , the axe from the barbarian would be removed too

i used some in game screenshot as reference, coz this map is based on the ingame trailer

EDIT:

 

[redmarine]

Hi!
here is a fast scrnsht, that i got so far:

Should i add a hero glow?
some other C&C?
Now im workin on add some light armor to he.
Feedback needed. =)

That's some pretty cool stuff you got there! Please just remove the staff so in the future we could add our own attachments.

The mask can stay as it's pretty important. Make sure that you use the witch doctor's texture.

I'm hoping we could implement the new model soon!

 

[Xezko]

i will not use ingame textures, coz DD will make one for me.
Equally, the actual Tauren thingy has it own custom textures.
The staff its makin a problem for me, coz in his walk animation he relies on the staff :S
Remember that it isnt the final model, i has too much to work.

 

[redmarine]

i will not use ingame textures, coz DD will make one for me.
Equally, the actual Tauren thingy has it own custom textures.
The staff its makin a problem for me, coz in his walk animation he relies on the staff :S
Remember that it isnt the final model, i has too much to work.

Alright take your time. Amazing job so far!

 

[dansaDisco]

i will not use ingame textures, coz DD will make one for me.
Equally, the actual Tauren thingy has it own custom textures.
The staff its makin a problem for me, coz in his walk animation he relies on the staff :S
Remember that it isnt the final model, i has too much to work.

Just use another units walk animation then?
If that's even possible.. xD

 

[syltman]

Just use another units walk animation then?
If that's even possible.. xD

Shadow hunter would be good.

 

[CloudWolf]

Holey Moley :O Thats fantastic It resembles the D3 witch-doctor perfectly!

As redmarine said, the only thing that really needs changing is removing the weapon as were gonna add some of our own weapon attachments. Everything else can stay though! Hero glow is also a good idea

Cant wait to see some of the animations keep up the great work!

 

[syltman]

Aye the feather should be TC

 

[madqc]

i will not use ingame textures, coz DD will make one for me.
Equally, the actual Tauren thingy has it own custom textures.
The staff its makin a problem for me, coz in his walk animation he relies on the staff :S
Remember that it isnt the final model, i has too much to work.

i got something that might help you

http://www.oinkerwinkle.com/tools/animtransfer.zip
and
http://www.oinkerwinkle.com/tools/tutorialanimtransfer.html

and the animation remover tool: http://www.wc3c.net/showpost.php?p=790151&postcount=3

 

[Xezko]

Madgc, i use all these tools. Thanks anyway.

Well, for knowledge to all: not all the animations fits in all the models, coz there uses the bones names of the model, and not all the bones has the same name in diferent models. Thats sucks.
I will see what i can do with the anims. I add some light shoulder pads to it, and then i will add hero glow. About it: has the wizard a hero glow? if not, you need to add it to she!

I will post a screenshot tomorrow, now im eatin pizza! xD

 

[madqc]

oh i see

and its MadQc not madgc

anyway good luck and we are waiting for that screenshot!

 

[Xezko]

sorry, madqc. (damn underline!)

...

guys, we hav a problem here. i try it like ten times with different models and animations, but, its impossible to remove the staff of the wd. The anims of the ShadowHunter arent good, coz he is too stooping and its fucked up in some anims. The only solution is that i learn how to make anims in Milkshape and learn how (damn) export a model from milkshape without fuck it. >.<
I will replace it for one more Diablo-like, i will base it on the staff of the female wd of diablo, that is better than nothin.
Anyway, this model will be better than the actual, i think.
I will remake when i learn how to animate and export good with Milkshape.

Im goin to make his staff and then i will post screenshots. See ya! :º

 

[dansaDisco]

Otherwise you could probably get somebody from the modeling section to help you out ^^

 

[madqc]

yea damn underline xD

but anyway i hope you will get that fixed fast

 

[Xezko]

Screeeeeeensht!

Any idea? need feedback.

I dint attached the hero glow, coz i think this:
If you will add hero glow to the wizard, then you can add one to the Wd, and then, without hero glow into the model, this wd will be lower size.

It has dissipate anim now, i did it with the Callahan tut from here.

hope you like it ^^

 

[syltman]

Screeeeeeensht!

Any idea? need feedback.

I dint attached the hero glow, coz i think this:
If you will add hero glow to the wizard, then you can add one to the Wd, and then, without hero glow into the model, this wd will be lower size.

It has dissipate anim now, i did it with the Callahan tut from here.

hope you like it ^^

WUhoooo! I love it!

 

[dansaDisco]

Looks like some nice shit. Just not to fond on the wrap of the legs, If you could fix that the skin would be better in the end.

The feathers looks nice. are they TC?

Try asking for help on the animations at the modeling forum, that model would probably look 10x better without the staff

 

[redmarine]

This model will probably make the witch doctor one of the most attractive classes. He's so awesome!

Now to the criticism. I agree with dansaDisco on all the parts and I think you should remove that staff asap. I presume I don't have to tell you everything.

 

[syltman]

Aye aye, there should be a feather mouth like the Witch doctor got

 

[Xezko]

Im fixin the wrap atm.
The feathers arent Tc, coz there cant be alphaed and Tc at the same time.
im learnin how to use Milkshape and all that things in order to remove the Damn staff that you want to i remove from it. What is that weapon that you want attach to it?? ...
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Aye aye, there should be a feather mouth like the Witch doctor got

of what feather mouth are you talkin about? can you put an image? sorry, but i didnt understood you..

 

[redmarine]

Im fixin the wrap atm.
The feathers arent Tc, coz there cant be alphaed and Tc at the same time.
im learnin how to use Milkshape and all that things in order to remove the Damn staff that you want to i remove from it. What is that weapon that you want attach to it?? ...
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of what feather mouth are you talkin about? can you put an image? sorry, but i didnt understood you..

We'll find a more suitable replacement for the Witch Doctor other than his current staff.

 

[Nightwish.ger]

Screeeeeeensht!

Any idea? need feedback.

Marry me!
Amazing work, fits perfectly, the colors are nice, the first version was much to black and white. I personally like the staff, but for the game it would be better without this sexy one.
Really nice work, or I want to play him right now!

 

[Xezko]

hehe, thnks for the good feedbacks. (i dont hate the rep, you know? xD)
You will need to wait me some more time, coz i want to make it perfect. And the perfection has its price. (Stella Artois xD)
see ya guys! ^^


PS: nightwish.ger, im not gay! ... wait a moment... are you a girl? ¬¬

 

[syltman]

http://ui20.gamespot.com/755/witchdoctor.png

on this pic the withdoctor got some feather popping from the mask around the cheek, I dunno how to explain it but I hope you get it from the pic

 

[Xezko]

now , i understand you.
But, i dont think that these are feathers, are more like cloth-made or something.
i think that i can add it. i will see if thats looks good into the model. See ya!

 

[dansaDisco]

OH yeah, about the horns.. could you make them a lil' less "straight?

 

[Xezko]

you said like theys was broken or what?

 

[redmarine]

I'm sure you'll be able to use a more high quality texture because we're most likely going to replace the skeleton boss with a new one which is roughly about 100 KB smaller.

 

[dansaDisco]

you said like theys was broken or what?

Just so they are not this straight, maybe make the way they go a bit more smooth and not exactly the same horns on booth sides?

I'm sure you'll be able to use a more high quality texture because we're most likely going to replace the skeleton boss with a new one which is roughly about 100 KB smaller.

Yeah, that's my job once the model is done :]

 

[Xezko]

oks, i will try to get this better. thanks! =·3

 

[Nightwish.ger]

hehe, thnks for the good feedbacks. (i dont hate the
PS: nightwish.ger, im not gay! ... wait a moment... are you a girl? ¬¬

The "marry me" was just a circumlocution for "Good job man!"
so I'm not gay but i don't have problems with people who are. They're friendly as every other person.

 

[Xezko]

i know it. Im jokin. :]