[Trigger] can passive ability has cooldown?

[rysnt11]

i played DotA and realize that the Anub'seran third skill is passive and Have a CoolDowN
so i wanna ask if the skill is triggered or not?
and i have my Chieftain of the Moo's skill malfunctioning
the skill is when he cast the spell the game LEAKs very much and i have Great Lag on my Pc
the spell is AoE and have 36 Dummy unit that casting shockwave

 

[Bond009]

It may be triggered but becuz a passive skill has a cd time does not mean its triggered. if you made the spell amulet item a passive hero skill it could have a cd time and count as passive skill.

I dont play DotA so not sure of the spell you're talking about to give you more info on it. but yes from what you say the skill is triggered to have dummy units and cast lots of shock-waves lol.

 

[defskull]

36 DUMMIES, CASTING SHOCKWAVE?!
That ought LAG dude... Seriously
Btw, I tried changing a passive skill's cooldown to either 2 or -2 (hold shift + enter), both of that, fails to to make it on cooldown mode
I greatly support Bond009's opinion, it is TOTALLY triggered

 

[WaterKnight]

The cooldown may be displayed because the ability is based on Reincarnation and Bond009 mentioned the Spell Shield skill, I'm not sure about this one but I think there are two different Spell Shield abilities.

The proccing of the passive spell could also be caught and the ability then replaced by an active one that it immediately used. Switch back to the original spell when the cooldown has finished.

 

[jim7777]

no .. the ability i think is based on Orb of Slow which I have read on dota strategies (i think) and the ability ID (displayed on some dota replays or changelogs if you read them) so orb of slow could have a cooldown, passive but as it says, its an orb effect I don't know how that attack thing happen

if you really want a passive one, try triggering it.. the best way to use a dummy cooldown ability is using berserk because it will not cancel the unit's orders and just remove the effects.. after adding it to the unit, order that unit to berserk so the skill will start to cooldown (you must disable/remove the ability ofc)

 

[Pharaoh_]

Well, close to jim7777's suggestion: Orb of Lightning (New). Just give the ability that you are going to use as Data - Effect a cooldown and it will display it normally.

 

[Bond009]

I like Pharah_, he knows his shit.. lol xD

 

[MortAr]

Well, close to jim7777's suggestion: Orb of Lightning (New). Just give the ability that you are going to use as Data - Effect a cooldown and it will display it normally.

But the in-game icon will be disabled for the passive skill in that way..

 

[Fled00w]

This is a copy (with minor changes) of my formor reply on the thread "ability cooldown"
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fist you need 3 spells from the object editor:
[Learning Dummyspell] = channel with "data - options: none" and tooltip
[Passive Dummyspell] = some passive dummy spell, critical strike /w no effect etc. (this is not a hero spell!)
[Cooldown Dummyspell] = some instantcast no-target spell, beserk etc. (this is not a hero spell!)

(all 3 should have same icon and tooltip)

add in object editor [Learning Dummyspell] to the hero. when the hero learns the [Learning Dummyspell], add the [Passive dummyspell] to the hero.
when the hero activates the [Passive dummyspell], remove it, and replace it with [Cooldown Dummyspell]. Activate [Cooldown Dummyspell] via triggers, it will then cooldown. Make a timer that matches the [Cooldown Dummyspell]'s cooldown. When timer expires remove [Cooldown Dummyspell] and add [Passive dummyspell] again.

(you need to set level's of [Passive dummyspell] and [Cooldown Dummyspell] to level [Learning Dummyspell] when replacing them... also you need to make a boolean so that the ability want go off untill cooldown is done)

I'm not good at english or explaning so i posted a test map to show what i mean "This is a copy testmap (with minor changes) of my formor reply on the thread "ability cooldown""

 

[rysnt11]

thanks, i'll try them but at frist i wanna chek out the passive cooldown map made by Fled00w
then i'll use some of your opinion, anyway thanks!

 

[baassee]

Well, close to jim7777's suggestion: Orb of Lightning (New). Just give the ability that you are going to use as Data - Effect a cooldown and it will display it normally.

It still counts as an orb effect.

 

[PB_L]

First you create attribute bonus spell and make it hide button. Then create spell from orb of lighting, and make it have 100% to hit with some spell (ex. slow). Add this trigger

• learn
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Learns a skill
  • Conditions
    • (Learned Hero Skill) Equal to Your Spell - this is Attribute Bonus
  • Actions
    • Unit - Add Dummy Spell 1 - this is Orb of Lighting to (Triggering unit)

Create damage detection system and add condition if triggering unit have buff ex. slow.

• spell
  • Events
  • Conditions
    • ((Triggering unit) has buff Slow) Equal to True
  • Actions
    • Unit - Remove Dummy Spell 1 - this is Orb of Lighting from (Triggering unit)
    • Unit - Add Dummy Spell 2 - This is Spell Shield to (Triggering unit)
    • Set p = (Position of (Triggering unit))
    • Unit - Create 1 Dummy Caster for Player 12 (Brown) at p facing Default building facing degrees
    • Unit - Order (Last created unit) to Human Sorceress - Slow (Triggering unit)

Then you will have your dummy spell (Spell shield) on cooldown. I have red Fled00w system but only problem with it is becouse you can click on your dummy ability (berserk) and it will say "Your spell is on cooldown" or smt.

 

[DevilDuke1995]

Whats the real problem? U wanna know about the Weavers ability? Or u wanna create a lagless leakless and bugless (lots of lesses wtf) on hit passive with a cooldown? U confused me...

I would seriously like to know how the weavers skill works though...
Its really weird as it makes him attack twice dealing his normal damage on both attacks when the CD is up. And the dual attack is considered orb. How is that possible?

EDIT: STUPID GOTCHA SIGNATURES!

 

[rysnt11]

yeah, i wanna make my hero attack like that, like nerubian weaver's thrid skill
thats great
so i forgot to move the passive cooldown by Fled00w i re-download it today, so just post you suggetstion on me, because i stil needs help

 

[rysnt11]

hey guys!
i found the solve, the weaver use the barrage ability that deal 1 damage and have a max damage at 99999
when the cooldown is done, he attack twice
its became more sense when i tried it with siege engine
the siege engine has a very low attack cooldown, and that make it cannot attackwith barrage ability if the barrage is in cooldown

 

[baassee]

Multishot got cooldown? Makes sense to me I guess. But how are you going to know when it's fired?

 

[rysnt11]

hmm, thats the same problem that i encountered, still searching how to check it...

 

[baassee]

I guess it wont work with trigger events but maybe you can check the ability being cast equals to the passive?

 

[Baldoro]

I'm pretty sure Weaver's passive is based of Orb of Slow.
Look at www.playdota.com's Mechanic's section, it was said there milions of times.

 

[baassee]

But that is an orb effect and those do not stack with each other.

 

[Adiktuz]

but that is the best way... and weaver's third skill IS AN ORB EFFECT... it was written in the description...

 

[baassee]

Yeah but then you have to notice that item orb effects will not stack either so typical Mask of Death is out of the question

 

[Adiktuz]

why Mask of Death?

 

[baassee]

Most common Orb Effect Item I know of with exception of all orbs (lightning, corruption, slow etc).

EDIT:

Most uses the Mask of Death Lifestealing which is an orb effect.

 

[Adiktuz]

ahhh... I see... I thought it has something to do with the weaver on a default basis... ^_^

well, MoD affects both ranged and melee, contrary to VA which only affects melee, so that could explain why most people use MoD, and most people like lifestealing effects...

 

[baassee]

I think VA stacks too? Atleast it stacks with MoD Yeah I know and that's the problem, if you want it better you have to trigger it.

 

[Adiktuz]

off topic

VA doesn't stack with itself, but it stacks on other VA based-spell as long as its not the same ability (all aura's behave like that)

Va1 + Va1 = doesnt stack
Va1 + Va2 = stacks

and yes, VA stacks with MoD...

anyway, the easiest thing to do would be to use Orb of Slow or Orb of Lightning, then just create a timer trigger which runs together with the cooldown and starts when the ability used by OrbofSlow is casted, since you cannot detect when a cooldown finishes...

 

[DevilDuke1995]

It is obvious that Weaver uses Orb of Slow/Lighting but what ability is it that he casts when the orb is triggered?

 

[baassee]

You can change that in the object editor to a dummy ability and detect it with triggers and trigger it yourself.

 

[Adiktuz]

I think its barrage, seen it somewhere, though I dont think you can capture the firing of barrage...

 

[DevilDuke1995]

You can change that in the object editor to a dummy ability and detect it with triggers and trigger it yourself.

And how will u get the unit's attack damage?

I think its barrage, seen it somewhere, though I dont think you can capture the firing of barrage...

What do u mean by "capture"?

 

[baassee]

1. And how will u get the unit's attack damage?

2. What do u mean by "capture"?

1. Damage detection systems? There are plenty of those.

2. He mean that it doesn't trigger an event which you can use in the trigger editor. (Or maybe it can, I think not).

 

[DevilDuke1995]

1. Damage detection systems? There are plenty of those.

Not the damage dealt, the attack damage of the unit (above armor).

Edit: Its definitely not Barrage in DotA.

 

[baassee]

Not the damage dealt, the attack damage of the unit (above armor).

Ever tried this? Link

 

[DevilDuke1995]

Ever tried this? Link

I dont use dmg reduction by armor

 

[baassee]

That was not so clear with your sentence above.

 

[DevilDuke1995]

That was not so clear with your sentence above.

So no one knows how DotA does that with Nerubian?

 

[baassee]

Have no idea, ask IceFrog

 

[D4RK_G4ND4LF]

Orb of Lightning and Orb of Slow take cooldown and icon from their casted ability which in this case is Searing Arrows

I attached a map for you to test
It does not require any triggers at all

Note:
Overrides Orb Effects and does not work all the time if the caster does not have a valid attack order (same as DotA)

 

[DevilDuke1995]

Orb of Lightning and Orb of Slow take cooldown and icon from their casted ability which in this case is Searing Arrows

I attached a map for you to test
It does not require any triggers at all

Note:
Overrides Orb Effects and does not work all the time if the caster does not have a valid attack order (same as DotA)

Nice searing arrows... I have done that when i created spell from the object editor by accident but i used a melee hero... I thought that it dealt extra damage but it actually attacked twice and dealt extra damage? That would be OP xD

 

[Adiktuz]

you can ofc set the bonus damage of searing arrows to 0...

 

[DevilDuke1995]

you can ofc set the bonus damage of searing arrows to 0...

What im trying to say is that like 2 years ago i had created a spell based on orb of slow or lighting which fired searing arrows (with 100/200/300 bonus dmg) every X secs. And so i thought that i had created a spell that dealt just that dmg.