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Discussion in 'Latest Updates and News' started by Archian, Nov 1, 2019.

  1. Venombite

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    90% of people who will play Reforged will know about the Vault and find it strange.
    Good point about the runes, and Gul'dan leading shamans. But if Maiev was reading runes in an ancient night elf temple...
     
  2. A Void

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    Okay, you're correct those were orcish runes. Apparently the only explanation was that those runes gave Maiev visions of Guldan's journey. She didn't actually read them, she touched them.
     
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    It's a temple. We don't know if it was night elven. We can speculate. We know that the demonlord Sargeras was buried there.
    It matters not what temple it was but that Gul'dan wrote orcish runes which Maiev understood and the Shaman thing, was a lazy part on their behalf not using the Warlock model unless they actually wanted to show that Gul'dan was exploiting remaining Shamans for his interests, which I doubt, of course.

    About the V
    Maiev is no far seer. Still doesn't make sense. Lots of plot holes in TfT, sadly.

    ???
     
  4. Venombite

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    The (Gul'dan's) Horde didn't have any shaman left at the time. All of the shaman on Azeroth were part of the Frost Wolf clan, and they weren't part of the Horde. They were thrown out by Gul'dan and found their way to Alterac mountains.
    Sargeras is the size of the whole planet. He wasn't dead. It was only his avatar.

    RoC plot hole. How did Medivh show up, when he was killed in WC1?
     
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    The gamepedia doesn't say when was the vault created (and they claimed that that's more updated than wowwiki), so it may have been created some time after Burning Crusade; else, it's another shitty and disappointing yet unsurprising retcon since Gul'dan raised that part in WC2
     
  6. Venombite

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    Read the trivia.
     
  7. Ardenaso

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    Well shit it is a shitty retcon then. They could've just placed it somewhere in Aszhara coast or Darkshore.

    I played OutsiderXE's The Last Guardian and apparently, Medivh's good side ghost was "saved" after Khadgar killed his bad side that was possessed by demons. Not sure anymore it's been 2 years since I played and I don't plan to play again. But since he said he "abandoned his humanity long ago" in the Tutorial, then it is indeed his ghost or whatnot.
     
  8. Venombite

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    The Last Guardian, though the best and by far most important story in Warcraft universe, came after even Warcraft 3, and 10 years after Wc1. With respect to all other campaigns on hive, The Last Guardian is arguably the best, I will definitely replay it when Reforged is out or in a few months.
     
  9. deepstrasz

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    I'm not taking WoW into consideration when writing these things, mind you.

    Sargeras was the demonlord (WcII) retconned in Warcraft III as a titan.
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    It was written as being a rumour so Sargeras could indeed not be dead and the RoC did not actually retcon the character's story.

    In RoC:
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    Doesn't look like Sargeras was planet big but titanic, maybe Himalaya big.
    The rest of the RoC story is similar to WoW's with Sargeras being a titan and becoming corrupted by the eredar and nathrezim while trying to destroy them all. No information on the titan size though. Minor touch on the Old Gods as living on primordial Azeroth and being worshiped by the primitive creatures there. They didn't want the titans giving their metallic touch to the world and used the elementals to fight them. However, the titans won. Lol, who's actually bad here? The Old Gods were chained far beneath the world's surface.

    About shamans
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    The Frostwolf clan doesn't even exist in Warcraft II. It was created in RoC, possibly on Azeroth or at least off-screen in Draenor.

    Warcraft III on shamans and Frostwolf:
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    Medivh was no mere spell caster, mind you, but a Guardian.
    Excerpts from Warcraft II's manual:
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    Also some information about Medivh's mother and Sargeras right above.
    Kil'jaeden was afraid of Medivh and I don't think it was just because the magician was powerful but because Sargeras was part of the character. It's the first time we hear of a demon corrupting someone like that as if possessing that character. Not even Archimonde or Kil'jaeden has done something like that. Kil'jaeden took lots of security measures to contain Ner'zhul but to little use in the end.
    So, it makes sense that Sargeras was in fact killed there. RoC does not say Sargeras is still alive but only introduced the character as a titan corrupted by the demons thus becoming their leader.
    Both Kil'jaeden and Medivh told Gul'dan about the Tomb of Sargeras as a place of great power. Kil'jaeden possibly didn't know the full story and wanted to have that power through Gul'dan(?) while Medivh knew the deal and fooled Gul'dan.
    Warcraft III mentions Kil'jaeden as second in command to the Burning Legion. So, it makes sense that K'j wanted to get Sargeras' place. Archimonde might have been third but it is only mentioned as one of the first demons to rally behind Sargeras. Kj is mentioned first in the part where Sargeras chooses the commanders and Archimonde mentioned after. No mention of Aegwynn and Sargeras in the RoC manual as if it was totally retconned or something. But we have the RoC and TfT story which doesn't say anything about Sargeras still living, trying to get to Azeroth or the like. Thus, Sargeras at this point was most likely "dead". The manual mentions Archimonde invading Azeroth this time in Sargeras' name.
    A bit of a retcon that Kj appears first to Ner'zhul to corrupt the orcs and then to Gul'dan while WcII says Gul'dan stumbled upon the demon through the astral plane/Twisting Nether via telepathy/astral projection.
    Also the fact that Ner'zhul went through the portals not as a means of escape but to find other worlds to conquer or whatever but in RoC it was because the character wanted to escape K'j's wrath as the Horde lost the war.

    It was because Medivh was trying to resist the corruption that the heroes might have succeeded in killing the dark mage. However, how the character managed to rupture the evilness from the spirit afterward is speculation and frankly controversial. It could be that the mage's mother played a role but that's a stretch. It could be the dragons (Emerald Dream, something), it could be the Twisting Nether, it could be lots of things but at this point it remains that the character's body dying meant nirvana.
     
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    Inarius, in the prison Mephisto put him? From the D4 trailer.

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    Awesome. I guess, the place is somewhere else than the Zakarum places we went to in DII to kill Mephisto?
    OK, it doesn't say that the crystal cathedral of mirrors was built in Zakarum.

    Since they basically made the angels faceless, well, pretty much fleshless and bodiless (more or less), since DII (first time they appear by the way :p), we won't see the character's deformed face and body. However, the wings were supposed to be cut as per Diablo (I)'s manual.
     
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  12. Venombite

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    WoW. You just helped me realize how much the story has changed. Almost nothing here has anything to do with the current lore.
    That being said this is the story before RoC. Many Shamans on Draenor were Clan Leaders. As such they would remain in power, but would loose their shamanistic powers. Examples being Zuluhead and Ner'zul. Zuluhead was guided to the Demon Soul by Deathwing, but was unable to muster it, cause he has lost all of his powers, and the Demon Soul was made resistant to elemental powers, cause that's Deathwing's Aspect power. It was only thanks to Nekros Skullcrusher, one of Gul'Dan's students and a powerful Warlock, that they managed to muster the Demon Soul. Only by using Nekros's Warlock powers.

    Frostwolf Clan is one of the oldest and most noble and powerful clans on Draenor. That part of the manual was taken from the novel "Lord of the Clans"(2001). They were exiled by Gul'dan, cause their Chieftain Durotan(Thrall's father) refused to abandon shamanism, and drink Mannoroth's blood. Gul'dan didn't do anything on his own. He was led by Kil'jaeden all the time.
     
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    @Venombite yeah but that was added later between WcII and RoC.
    Only Nekros is mentioned in the RoC manual, lol. And only Zuluhead in Warcraft II :D

    Here are the manuals: Warcraft original lore | HIVE in case you're curious.
     
  14. Venombite

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    Cuase Zuluhead went back to Outland, while Nekros stayed on Azeroth.
     
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    That's beside the point. It doesn't even say that.
     
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    I don't think Blizzard have ever created anything as artistic as that Diablo 4 cinematic. I love all the subtle storytelling, like how evil lurks where you least expect it and how vile, weak and corruptible humans are, including the scholar. And that final shot of the skin cloak. Beautiful and disgusting at the same time. They outdid themselves. Unlike D3, I don't think there was anything generic about it. If they made a movie just like that I would devour it.
     
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    Truly a piece of art.I hope they do something like that for each act like with Diablo II. It'd be amazing for all short films to have around 10 minutes or more as the intro. Wow.

    There are unexplained things like how did the ritual work when only the Zakarum priest was hypnotized to give blood willingly while the others were practically unwillingly murdered, one of them being killed without notice.
    Another issue is how did Rathma teleport beyond the lowered wall and inside that body (or was it just a sort of decoy/mind trick although it looked like that guy's raised corpse or was it for impression?) and did the tomb raiders actually think they would get out afterwards when they were basically outnumbered by the undead?

    Rathma's voice needs a bit of work on the echoed parts.


    Also, guys, please write your concerns and wishes for Diablo IV here (Diablo IV suggestions) if you want.
     
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    I don't think they're keeping acts - that said, it's totally possible we'll get a few cinematics, hopefully of similar quality.

    He was the only one who objected to completing the summoning, the other two guys wanted to go through with it even though they didn't know what would happen. It was probably because of that objection that the pale guy didn't just fling the priest to the wall and sucked him like the others.

    Did they confirm it was Rathma?
     
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    Well, world part acts or what are they going to call them. I wasn't referring to the Diablo II linear fashion since they said the game will not play this way, at least, most of it. I guess you won't be able to fight Lilith or the main boss at level 1 if you so desire.
    They did the first time but after seeing the danger, who knows? Debatable, I guess.
    No, but it makes sense. He's obviously a necromancer and it's known from the Diablo II manual that Rathma was one of the powerful ones who created the necromantic order they kept the balance between Order and Chaos and believed in the dragon Trag'Oul which was said of that the world lay on its back.
    And, well, external material depicting the character as Lilith and Inarius' son as well as these official Diablo III site source:
    Deadly Roots: The Lore of the Necromancer
    Rise of the Necromancer
     
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    I guess there will be some major story milestores. For example, they've said that we're going to descend into Hell at some point - that's one opportunity for a huge story moment that could have a cinematic. They were also talking about Inarius - if we meet him, this might be another cinematic.

    They never openly objected - the priest did. I think that's the big difference here.

    I know who Rathma is. I think it would be interesting if he was the one to summon Lilith, but they better have a good explanation for it - after all, the last we've seen him, Rathma was all about maintaining balance and since the High Heavens are supposedly shut closed, it kinda appears that summoning a powerful demon would only further upset the balance.

    Or maybe... maybe that is his plan? After all, in Diablo 3 the Heavens were saved by the Nephalem, so obviously the angels know how insanely strong Nephalem could be - and, uhm, Lilith always wanted to dominate both Heaven and Hell by using the Nephalem, so she'd definetely be considered a major threat by the Angiris Council.

    Thus, maybe Rathma wants to ensure that the High Heavens stop their isolationism by forcing their hand? Or maybe he needs Lilith to free Inarius in hopes that he knows a way to open up Heaven? Or maybe he just got tired of the balance thing or came to a conclusion that the only way to ensure balance is to do exactly what Lilith wanted, i.e. wipe out the Burning Hells and the High Heavens, leaving only the Nephalem, who by nature are both good and evil?

    Don't know, but it's definetely interesting to see how they explain Rathma getting involved, but ultimately - I don't think Rathma and Lilith are going to be our enemies, heck, I wouldn't be surprised if we, more or less knowingly, worked for them through the base game, only to find out that our victory at the end wasn't really a victory at all.

    What could they want, though? We know that we're going to Hell at some point - Inarius, who appeared in the cinematic - just so happens to be tortured in Hell. Could it be that we'll go to Hell to free him? Maybe Lilith manipulates us into doing so, because - I don't know - she needs Inarius to create a fresh breed of Nephalem?
     
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