BALLS 1.3c

[Moderator]

18:45, 12th Aug 2010
ap0calypse: Approved

 

[MistAssass]

Subscribing ...

Please rate, comment and let me know how can I improve this in further versions ...
Thank You For Suport !
~MA

 

[-Kobas-]

Credits should be listed here as well

 

[NoMoreChallenge]

LOL Why did you name this map BALLS, I know it's Bleach All stars, but it sounds funny anyway. XD

 

[Ironside]

Information:


As a Reviewer of the Map Reviewers Group, I joined the THW Cleaning Event.
I end up writing a fast review, or just posting the end state of the map, rating is not always included!


Current State for this map: Approved


I will contact the moderator to Approve/Reject the map, depending on what you recieved.

 

[MistAssass]

Credits should be listed here as well

Fixed !

LOL Why did you name this map BALLS, I know it's Bleach All stars, but it sounds funny anyway. XD

Well its short fun and it sounds good XD

@ Barathrum
Thank you !

Thank you for commenting !
~MA

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Review coming soon (by soon either today or tomorrow):
(I can tell already that the terrain could use A LOT of work though)

lol at the name though, it's certainly attention grabbing.

Things I noticed during play through:
-Terrain is pretty bad as I said, your really going to want to improve this.
-That model for Los Noches is also incredibly bad, it almost has absolutely no texture and looks like it was done up in five minutes.
-The Cerro spell, though flashy on flat ground, looks pretty bad on uneven surfaces as the model goes through the ground - try using smaller segments of units so it follows the surface and doesn't cut through it.
-I didn't see all of them, but most custom models I've seen used in this game look pretty bad overall.
-For tooltips your focusing more on the appearance of the whatever it is then what it actually does - I should be able to clearly see what Nell looks like when someone chooses her, I don't need an explanation - explain the heroes/spells roll in the game, you'll see what it looks like when you use it.
-The terrain is obviously ripped from the design of Dota, try coming up with something more original that fights the game better.
-Why riflemen? I don't believe a single person on the show uses a gun.

Review:
Okay, I'd say this is one of the better anime maps, but it still suffers from many things most games of the type suffer from.

Terrain: 2/5 - It's passable I guess, but overall very lacking in detail and aesthetics
Coding: 3/5 - I'd give this a higher score if I could actually see your coding, but you protected it thus I can't tell whether or not you cleared leaks correctly or not leaving me to guess. I didn't get any lag during the time I played it so I'm judging it based on that.
Originality: 1/5 - Bleach meets DotA - nothing more, nothing less
Gameplay: 3/5 - could be fun online, but it doesn't have anything outstanding that makes it much better then all the other Bleach maps exactly like this.

Overall: 2.25/5
It's not terrible, but it's not really all that good either. I'd vote for rejection atm.

 

[light bolt30]

These types of anime maps always have nice flashy, interesting spells. Although the terrain for these AoS maps are over used and very plain and boring.

 

[MistAssass]

Thank you for commenting on this ...
About the terrain ... I'm not that good at doing terrains so ... you know ...
~MA

 

[Sasuke32]

Nice map also nice spells keep your good work

I know i'm little member but i vote for approved

+rep

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

K, finished review above

 

[MistAssass]

Uuu that's harsh >.<
But thanks ! now i have some improvement ideas ...
Thank you for reviewing this and look forward to new version as I'm going to improve it ...

Click

about the Las Noches model it was made in like 8-9 minutes ... >.< ... i was in a hurry

Hehe

TY!
~MA

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Well sorry for being harsh but if everyone review the maps completely positively then the database would be filled with very bad maps.

You seem like you have the skill to improve the game, work on making it more distinguished from the many other bleach AoS's out there and it could definitely be approvable. I'd suggest working on the terrain or some sort of unique system - maybe some sort of Spirit Energy thing where you have to rebuild your mana somehow other then the normal methods or something (just trying to help with ideas) - perhaps building up energy as you fight allowing for stronger attacks or something.

 

[MistAssass]

Hmmm that could be some badass idea ... ... you actually gave me a interesting idea right now ! TY !
And as for terrain I suck pretty much at it ... thanks to Warhunter i have this ... and to improve it ... ouch ... i can't make it, let away improve it T.T ... I'll search for someone that could help me out on this

Thank you !
~MA

 

[themaster-J-]

hello got a question where the models because they are very good and I'm a fan of bleach and I would like to use them on a map please tell me where you got thanks

 

[MistAssass]

hello got a question where the models because they are very good and I'm a fan of bleach and I would like to use them on a map please tell me where you got thanks

The blacksatan models are all over the internet, the ones made by narutoj ... i got them from gothar_esp (the models aren't public i think ... idk) ... the ones made by shinigami_12 i found them on the warcraft 3 unlimited forum ...

For this kind of questions pls PM me i do not want to spam this topic ... Ty !
~MA

 

[InfinateAnswers]

As a complete fan of Bleach, i commend you on this ^^ i always love when there are maps about bleach =)

 

[takakenji]

lol balls.

 

[dead-man-walking]

Oh my. Another Bleach AoS with that terrain that seems to be a template. Also, Hero Skills have generic names. At least add something after "Bankai" and "Ressureccion". :/
Your tooltips are also very messy. :|
2/5

Bad terrain is bad. Super plain Hueco Mundo (Or in fact, too much vegetation). Also, why do people always do Hueco Mundo X Seireitei? Why not Fake Karakura or something else? :/
2/5

Nothing special.
3/5

Bleargh. Those Models were ugly (Especially Las Noches). Thank god the Icons weren't so. Though both sides can use something different instead of just same units with different names.
3/5

I can guarantee that it's pretty much balanced on Creeps Vs. Creeps since they are pretty much same. But I still don't know Hero Vs. Hero Balance. :/
3/5

No rule broken. Special Conditions regarding Rules annulled.

Exists. Can be more detailed. +2 to Final Score.

I don't see why this Map deserves an approval currently. Here's my Likes and Dislikes:
(-2) Bad Tooltips
(-2) Ugly Models
(+1) I like Bleach

2/5+2/5+3/5+3/5+3/5-1 (Extra) = 12/25 = 2.4/5

Rounded? Yes, down to 2/5

Vote: Needs Fix
Score: 2/5
Cast Vote? No
Cast Score? Yes
Possibility of Score Change? Yes

 

[MistAssass]

Ok ... thanks for reviewing this but you could help out by giving me improvement ideas ... like what to change ... and where ... about models ... as long as there aren't better models i can't help it ... i know the terrain is pretty bad but i am not a terrainer so i need help there ... (this is not a template lol ... the terrain was originally made by Warhunter for this map at my request and all the triggers are made by me ... with some help here and there)

Thank you ... as long its constructive criticism keep it coming ...
~MA

 

[InfinateAnswers]

Id say start at the easy. Tooltips

 

[MistAssass]

As a new version is coming soon I'll try to improve the tooltips ... can you help me and point the ones that need more attention and some idea of improvement please ....
TY !
~MA

 

[InfinateAnswers]

Well like he said, instead of just Bankai, say like Bankai - Bamboo King (for renji) you know?

Tensa Zangetsu is ichigo's if u didnt know

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Tensa Zangetsu is ichigo's if u didnt know

Umm well I'd imagine plain English would make more sense anyways, yeah I know it's got a name but no one really understands what it even means (all it does is transform into a less impressive sword anyways)

 

[InfinateAnswers]

LOL thats funny. The Tensa Zangetsu's true power is hidden to ichigo. Only ichigo's hollow can use the Tensa Zangetsu at its full power since he took over zangetsu and became him.

And Tensa Zangetsu is as plain english as it can get. That is the actual name of the sword in bankai form

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Well it shouldn't take someone who's watched all of the episodes twice to understand the effects of the spells (that's what I meant by plain English)

 

[MistAssass]

sooo ... is there a problem with spell descriptions ass well ... ? do you mind if i ask wich spells need a new description please ?

Thank you !
~MA

 

[InfinateAnswers]

well fire fox doesnt dl maps into my wc3 file sooo i cant test to see whats wrong lol...

 

[dead-man-walking]

Well, I'll try to help you on Skill Names...

Ichigo: "Bankai" to "Bankai: Tensa Zangetsu"
Hitsugaya: "Hyorinmaru" to "Shikai: Hyourinmaru", "Bankai" to "Bankai: Daiguren Hyorinmaru". Also, Sennen Hyoro is an extension from Toshiro's Bankai.
Byakuya: "Sembonzakura" to "Shikai: Senbonzakura", "Bakudo #61" to "Bakudo #61: Rikujokoro", "Bankai" to "Bankai: Senbonzakura Kageyoshi"
Shinji: His Skills need to be fully remade. I'll post it later.

-Grimmjow's Blood Lust should reduce his health instead of costing Mana
-Change all Ressureccion to "<<Command>>, <<Ressureccion Name>>*

Ressureccions should be renamed to:
-Grind, Pantera (Grimmjow)
-Pray, Santa Teresa (Nnoitra)
-Declare, Gamuza (Nelliel)

Grimmjow's aspect seems to be overpowered too. Maybe reduce the Agility gain?

 

[InfinateAnswers]

Shinji was mayb a bad choice. Since alot of his abilities havnt been shown. And you cant have Byakuya without White lightning.... Its his signature Kido

 

[MistAssass]

Well, I'll try to help you on Skill Names...

Ichigo: "Bankai" to "Bankai: Tensa Zangetsu"
Hitsugaya: "Hyorinmaru" to "Shikai: Hyourinmaru", "Bankai" to "Bankai: Daiguren Hyorinmaru". Also, Sennen Hyoro is an extension from Toshiro's Bankai.
Byakuya: "Sembonzakura" to "Shikai: Senbonzakura", "Bakudo #61" to "Bakudo #61: Rikujokoro", "Bankai" to "Bankai: Senbonzakura Kageyoshi"
Shinji: His Skills need to be fully remade. I'll post it later.

-Grimmjow's Blood Lust should reduce his health instead of costing Mana
-Change all Ressureccion to "<<Command>>, <<Ressureccion Name>>*

Ressureccions should be renamed to:
-Grind, Pantera (Grimmjow)
-Pray, Santa Teresa (Nnoitra)
-Declare, Gamuza (Nelliel)

Grimmjow's aspect seems to be overpowered too. Maybe reduce the Agility gain?

Ok that was very helpful i will start changing those right now ...
Regarding Grimmjow's aspect i should reduce the agility gain/kill or max agility points/level ?
On Hitsugaya i know that Sennen Hyoro its a bankai extension but i do not know how to name the passive otherwise ...

Thanks for posting these !
~MA

 

[dead-man-walking]

Reduce both for Grimmy. Make the Agility gain... Maybe One Agility per Three/Two Kills. I don't really know about Max.

 

[MistAssass]

OK ... everything up there fixed (tooltips)... i've set the agility gain to one point every 3 kills and i think that max agility count its ok ...
Added an Reiatsu Overflow system that recharges MP at cost of HP ... 6 HP is converted in 3 MP every second ...
Grimmjow's blood lust no longer needs mana to cast but i've changed it to 50 lifecost

~MA

 

[dead-man-walking]

Reiatsu Overflow sounds like suicide for me. Is it passive or activatable?
Also, you better change Shinji with Renji. Baboon-man is easier to be made to a Hero.

 

[MistAssass]

Overflow its an activatable and it automatically stops when the hero reaches 50 HP ...
As for Shinji why is it that everyone wants me to remove him ?

~MA

 

[InfinateAnswers]

You should make Urahara >.> i have good spell ideas haha....
Modified body - heals him for x hp.

Bakudo #79 - Nine Sunlight Trap: Creates eight black holes that emit spiritual energy in the personal space surrounding the target, with a ninth black hole manifesting in the center of the targets chest. Thats the discription of the ability.

Senjū Kōten Taihō #91 -Thousand-Hand Bright Heaven Culling-Sear - Summons several spears of light that are all fired towards the same focal point where the intended target resides. The culminating explosion is exceedingly devastating.

And if u make a floating text for incantations heres this kidos.
Incantation: "Limit of the thousands hands, respectful hands, unable to touch the darkness. Shooting hands unable to reflect the blue sky. The road that basks in light, the wind that ignited the embers, time that gathers when both are together, there is no need to be hesitant, obey my orders. Light bullets, eight bodies, nine items, book of heaven, diseased treasure, great wheel, grey fortress tower. Aim far away, scatter brightly and cleanly when fired"

And for his ulti - Scream. Benihime - Does x damage in a line making the path it took unmovable on for x seconds.

The bakudo #79 is used to imobilize so the small aoe of hado #91 can hit the target.

 

[dead-man-walking]

Shinji is a very hard Hero to create since he has nearly no unique ability. >_>
Renji or Hachi would be a fine addition instead of Shinji. Urahara is also a good one, especially since Benihime has multiple variations.

 

[InfinateAnswers]

Shinji is a very hard Hero to create since he has nearly no unique ability. >_>
Renji or Hachi would be a fine addition instead of Shinji. Urahara is also a good one, especially since Benihime has multiple variations.

It can damage, protect, and heal =)

 

[San_Melon]

nice map
description is oke
the spells looks rly nice,too.
+rep

-rate 3.5/5
-vote for approved

 

[AnglE-3lAdE]

oh my god for years i were finding maps like this models spells and terrains all are i cant describe in words

 

[MistAssass]

OK I'll update this pretty soon ... i wasn't home this days ...
In the new version there will be 3 new heroes ...
So I'll get to work and keep this short
~MA

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

You work on actually improving other things people suggested on?

Jamming more hero's into a game doesn't necessarily make it better when the others could use work (or even more important being overall systems and such).

 

[MistAssass]

Yes ! i improved the tooltips that you guys pointed out but as for the terrain i can't make it myself so until i find someone capable it stays the same sorry 'bout that ...
~MA

 

[InfinateAnswers]

its an AoS, what can u do but make the internal better.

 

[MistAssass]

OK updated first post because i forgot few people in the credits ... few things in the change log and made some typos ... i hope everything is OK now

Please let me know how can i improve the map more, (except the terrain I'm searching for someone atm.) give me suggestions and specific exactly what you think i should change ... please do not hold back tell me if something is misplaced and we'll see what can be done ...
Thank You for your support ! This is my first big project and this means a lot to me ...
And as a last request of you guys (the ones that made reviews of the map) could you tell me if its better or worst than the version you have reviewed ... TY !

~MA

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

And if u make a floating text for incantations heres this kidos.

Unnecessary imo, really it's like the people that go out and take terrible quality sound samples from the show and shove them into their map whenever the hero casts a spell. It's annoying, spammy and doesn't really improve the game (especially with how long these things are). What could work could be saying like the spell name above their head or something when they cast it (but then again, this would give away their position on the map to enemy players as anyone can see floating text, even if it's in a non-visible location).

 

[MistAssass]

I'm pretty sure that i will not use floating text at anything except some passive spells that do not reveal your position as i am currently doing ... could you please tell me if the map quality improved after the reviewed version ? ... that only if you have the time to have a look over it ... TY !
~MA

 

[InfinateAnswers]

You could put the incantation in the discription, or record yourself saying the incantation and see how long it takes and balance out a good cast time, idk i like realism.

 

[MistAssass]

I don't know about sounds and floating text ... i want to keep it clean ... + sound resources eat a lot of space ... and a big file size isn't good ... this map being an anime one needs a lot of imports so space is important
~MA