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Announcement: Gaias final 1.2C(9) release and future Map Expander releases

Discussion in 'Gaias Retaliation ORPG' started by Zwiebelchen, Aug 27, 2016.

  1. Manipulation

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  2. LeP

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    Granted, war3map.j is one of the better compressable files but you can expect some size reduction in most of the files in your w3x.
    Maybe these savings would be enough to get you to the next patch :)
    Tbh i woud love to test it myself but i lack the listfile.
    Btw. are you sure that you have no unused imports? ladiks name scanner couldn't find all used names.
    Not that this is something definitive, but better be sure.

    I also have some unpolished tools/ideas to further reduce the size of war3map.j
     
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    You'd save lots of map file space by making all custom visuals local-files while still letting people who refuse to use the best method ever since WC3 came out play with WC3 visuals.

    Edit: Just got to make a global default combined with a CSS or a extra custom unit copy of each custom modeled unit with only model path changed.
     
  4. Zwiebelchen

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    I still have my trust in blizzard that they will eventually come up with the size expansion patch. That's why I personally don't mind using a 3rd party tool for now: it's just a temporary measure.

    And yes, there might be ways to compress the map even harder... but the thing is: I am so sick of over-optimizing at this point. I want to be able to enjoy freedom of design again. And I can not achieve that freedom by limiting me - again - to this arbitrary limit just because I managed to squeeze 20 more kilobytes in (that is - mind you - barely the size of a single new armor texture).
     
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    So, the version 1.2C(9) is the final for the 1.2C.
    And in the next new version all will be renew? Do we need to play restart from Lv.1?
    Where can I download the new "Gold" version? Still on the HIVE download page?
    Sorry for these questions, I haven't Discord to know any update or progress.
    I am looking forward to the arrival of the new version.
     
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    i dont think the load system will change and if it does zwieb ususally includes a way to convert your loads so you can keep your characters
     
  7. Zwiebelchen

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    The "Gold" version will be just like a regular map update for Gaias; no content will be removed or altered.
    I just name it differently as it requires the map limit bypasser tool, so that the community knows what is up with that.
     
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    Do you limit the Gold Edition to 16MB until Blizzard releases new information about the patch?
    I mean we dont know weather Blizzard is removing the size limit or just increase it.
    But I guess it takes some time to reach 16MB even when you replace some textures with a high res version.
     
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    flamebringer still shit and its gonna stay that way
     
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    Yea zapper, additional 2xap skill is bad af xD
     
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    I'm only getting 1 extra hit using that skill plus the stats given by flamebringer is still the same or weaker than executioners axe. So i farm for this wep and this is the only benefit I get. Rofl great reward of farming for this shit wep
     
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    Nobody forced you to farm for Flamebringer. Nobody said it would be worth it to do so. You decided to do it all on your own.
     
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    So there u go :) wasted my time and effort for a shitty ass wep. Its no surprised that bag...... I'm not going to continue with that. First rpg to have this kind of legendary wep to be bad. A rare item that only increases dps slightly and would not impact the speed of killing bosses. Wp zwieb just wp
     
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    One word to discribe you, which doesn't suit a setting for Gaias which is an Open "RP" Game.

    cynical
     
  15. zapper19

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    To say the least u and kam are siding with "him" or atleast defenending him. I have enjoyed WOW why? I keep playing mainly because of how happy I am when getting new gear and atleast the raid boss gear or whatever u call them arent shit.
    Also note that when I farm fb its the era where bag item are locked to ur character
     
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    Ofcourse I'm siding with Zwieb, because I agree with the concept that legendaries should be unique and difficult to obtain but not necessarily much better stats than comparable blues. This is not a copy of WoW, there's no reason it should be the same in any way.

    The era of unlocked bag items? You mean every version up until 2 days ago? That' how everyone did it.
     
  17. Zwiebelchen

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    According to Flamebringer vs Executioner's Axe, flamebringer is slightly better in terms of DPS than Executioners axe. Which is fine to me. I don't want Legendaries to totally invaluate regular items.

    I want people who don't enjoy grinding to be competitive with the hardcore players.

    That's also why the collectible feature will only grant minor bonuses, as I don't want to force people to run Blackfire to stay competitive. I want the core game to be enjoyable regardless of extra features I add for longevity.
     
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    The grinding factor completely went out of control compared to foothills...due to double RNG (bags) and increased item pool (Psion/Hexblade),
    collecting good items has become totally frustrating. And i am talking of BLUE items, not Legs. 3 hours without any bag dropped or 30 hours
    without one helmet of the bull does only one thing...s***. Then it helps nothing if i find 5 Blooming Vambraces along the way. So this promotes
    frustration...and solo grinding for days and days - killing team games. But of course you can say like it or leave it.

    Once Legendaries had some aura of sth. "magic" especially when dropped from a "feared" boss like Firelord. It was sth special. Nowadays
    they are degenerated into a reward based on brainless mass grinding recipes. Not talking about the Leg inflation.

    So all in all no wonder that the bots stay empty.
     
  19. Zwiebelchen

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    Zharo is harder than Firelord ever was. And some of the legendary materials only drop from him! What exactly is your point here? That legendaries should just drop of at a super low percentage? How would that change the grind in any way?


    People glorify 1.1 as if it was the golden age of Gaias. That's fucking stupid. People went to D3, farmed their items and that's it. Mission fucking acomplished. How would it have a negative effect on bot games to add stuff to do to the game beyond grinding your blue gear?


    And according to Google trends, the popularity of Gaias has been stable since 2013, of course, with regular spikes whenever I released a new content update.
    And even the drop in popularity after 2013 correlates perfectly with the decline of public interest in Warcraft 3 in general. In fact, Gaias is actually more stable in user numbers than Warcraft III in general.


    So, no. Lobbies are not empty. Not more or less empty than they were before. It's warcraft that is empty in general.
     
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    Gaias did change it's scope after Foothills. This is completely expectable and even necessary. Whitepine is not a levelling area like the earlier zones. It is a lvling area and, more importantly, a high lvl area. This means that progress needs to be restricted by gear progress since we no longer have lvls to advance. If Zwieb had made every item drop from bosses in Whitepine, everyone would be maxed with every class after 1 week and impatiently complaining about how long it takes for the next version. I agree it is painful to farm for items like bull's helmet, but then again, you aren't necessaily weak without it - just not BiS. Also, with the newest release we received a nice improvement - shareable whitepine bag content. I think the design is more or less flawless now, though it feels frustrating at times - for the individual player.

    Finally, I can't stress enough how important it is to remember that the real endgame hasn't even been added yet. Once D4 is out people will just laugh at anyone farming for Whitepine blues.

    For me this is also why I don't play a lot anymore. I like to play the new content etc. but I like to have fun, not repeating the same farming over and over. If you think Whitepine is frustrating, just wait for the Gold released. I know Zwieb will make this game a lot greater than it already is. Not only new areas, but also new spells, finally making different builds possible and making each character feel unique to the player who specs them.