Animation names...

[HappyCockroach]

I'm doing pokemon models, and each animation will be assigned to a different set abilities.
I tried creating animation names myself like:
- spell scratch
- spell tackle headbutt withdraw
But it seems that wc3 engine isnt that flexible...
how could I do it?

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

first of all you need to place the animation names in "(yourabilityname)" in the node track editor...
did you do that? cause otherwise the engine wont recognize the second and third and so on name!

 

[HappyCockroach]

I did that of course. I have problems with creating other options of animation names for spells than the default ones: spell slam, spell throw, spell upgrade first/second, spell alternate, spell gold, spell lumber, spell swim, etc etc etc...
Or if only there was an infinite set of strings so I could use as many as I wanted...

 

[BlinkBoy]

use
spell one -scratch
spell two -headbut

and so on, - marks a comment. All that the mapper needs to do is add both tags: "spell" and [number name] to the spell, and that's it.

 

[xXm0RpH3usXx]

so everything behind the - wont bother the engine, but can be seen by the modeler/and or mapmaker?

 

[HappyCockroach]

thanks!
can I assign multiple numbers to a single animation? like...

spell one three thirteen - headbutt tackle and withdraw

if a spell is cast and there is no number tag... a random one will be played?

 

[Kuhneghetz]

No, just:

Spell One
Spell Two
Spell Three

and so on.

 

[HappyCockroach]

I wonder if it recognizes Spell ThirtyTwo

 

[BlinkBoy]

you could try out spell one three, since they are jusat tags, perhaps it will work.

 

[HappyCockroach]

If I want to choose some spell animations to work as attack too, can I use

attack spell one
spell two
attack spell three

?

 

[BlinkBoy]

hmm, for attacks nope, only spells.

Attacks can all have the same name like:

Attack - 1
Attack - 2

just give them a value could Rarity to prioritize some Attacks.

 

[HappyCockroach]

I meant by that like...can you choose a spell X animation to be the attack one also, adding the attack tag to it?
I know I can set the "attack" as animation name, but not all units that have this ability will be the same.

I have another question:
Is any animation name allowed to be executed by triggers in a cinematic? Or just the default ones?

 

[BlinkBoy]

1º you mean a hybird between attack and spell? just call it "Attack Spell" and that's it.

2º well instead of names you could play animations by index, there's a function that does that, just count from 0 to the anim you want to play, from the mdl and order wc3 to play that animation on through the function I mentioned.

 

[HappyCockroach]

Yeah, I knew about attack spell. But if I do so, this spell will be generic among all the spells.
What if I have:
- Spell One
- Spell Two
- Spell Three
And I want the second one to be the attack also.
- Spell One
- Attack Spell Two (?)
- Spell Three
(I know I can set the spell's animation name to attack, but that wouldn't work for all the units using this ability)

About the cinematic, thanks, I'll try it.

 

[BlinkBoy]

you can add as many tags as you wish.

you can call the animation "Attack Spell One"

yet, just with Attack and Spell you have 2 tags for WE to identify the animation, since no other Spell will have the tag Attack.

 

[Kuhneghetz]

Also; Spell Slam, Spell Throw, Spell Channel and Stand Channel works as well.

 

[HappyCockroach]

I still got a doubt. If I add the tag 'Gold' by triggers and the tag 'Lumber' the engine will search for the "Stand Gold Lumber" first than other stands?

 

[BlinkBoy]

perhaps you should try it.

 

[HappyCockroach]

I may add custom tags? like "Stand Happy" "Walk Happy", "Stand Mad" "Walk Mad" - thats for the campaign im doing, i feel like normal anims are what make the cinematics so boring...
(I know i can put "Stand Gold", "Stand Alternate", it's just to know if it is possible...)

 

[BlinkBoy]

hmm custom tags.... maybe, yet, I once made Stand Oil, Walk Oil and game crashed. But that was 2 years ago, maybe it's fixed.

 

[HappyCockroach]

I revived this to bring up a doubt of mine.

When do units perform 'walk' or 'walk fast' instead?

 

[Thyrael]

In the object editor you can edit the walk and run speed speed for animations. If the unit moves at a speed below run speed it will use walk, if above walk fast.

To the question about mutiple tags, in a prior version of my rpg I changed the animations in dependence of the quipeed weapon. The standards anims like "Attack"and "Stand,Ready" were used when fighting unarmed. If using a twohanded weapon, i simple added the "alternate" tag. My model got the "Attack,Alternate" and the "Stand,Ready,Alternate" anims. I used "Attack,Lumber", "Attack,Gold" and "Attack,Lumber,Gold" and by using one and two you can ceate even more combinations that work. For my current version, I will use the functions for setting units animations index.

 

[HappyCockroach]

I'll revive this.
By saying this you mean that I can have, for stand anim, with Gold, Lumber and Defend:

- Stand
- Stand Gold
- Stand Defend
- Stand Lumber
- Stand Gold Defend
- Stand Lumber Gold
- Stand Defend Lumber
- Stand Gold Defend Lumber

7 different sets of animations that won't interfere one with another?

 

[Thyrael]

Wc3 will try to play the most fitting animation. That means if you have a set with "Stand,Lumber" and then add the Lumber tag it will play only the "Stand, Lumber" but not the "Stand". If you have "Stand Gold Lumber" but no "Stand Lumber" and then add the Lumber tag, it will play the "Stand, Gold, Lumber". Because that will be the animation that comes closest to "Stand, Lumber".

 

[HappyCockroach]

I tried doing it, but it didn't work. I don't know if it's something about the GUI function

• Animation - Add/Remove animation tag to unit

or my model had problems.
I scaled bone_default to 2 times it size in Stand Lumber and adding the lumber tag, it wouldn't change its animation.

 

[Thyrael]

The order of the tags is not important: "Stand,Lumber,Gold" is the same as "Stand,Gold,Lumber". But you have to remove a animationtag before adding the next one. Otherwise if you add "Lumber" and than want to have "Stand,Gold" being played you have to remove "Lumber" first and than add "Gold" or the model will play its "Stand,Lumber,Gold"(if it has a set like that). Adding the same tage mutiple times has no effect I think, so you can't have something like "Stand,Lumber,Lumber".

 

[tee.dubs]

i think someone should make a tutorial on this, i find it extremely helpful and interesting.

 

[HappyCockroach]

The order of the tags is not important: "Stand,Lumber,Gold" is the same as "Stand,Gold,Lumber". But you have to remove a animationtag before adding the next one. Otherwise if you add "Lumber" and than want to have "Stand,Gold" being played you have to remove "Lumber" first and than add "Gold" or the model will play its "Stand,Lumber,Gold"(if it has a set like that). Adding the same tage mutiple times has no effect I think, so you can't have something like "Stand,Lumber,Lumber".

What you say makes a lot of sense and I have already understood it. Theoretically it seems to be plain and simple.
But have you tried this in-game? I'll make a simple model with all of these. Even the most simple tags don't work.

 

[Thyrael]

Yes, I tested it ingame and it worked perfectly for me. You can check it out in the FittingAnimationSystem video I made. Can be found in the video thread in the Darkwind RPG forum.

 

[HappyCockroach]

Yeah, the model I was using had problems. Now I tested with the 40-animations Villager, and rename some sets of animation to something like:
- Stand Gold Lumber Defend Flesh
- Stand Channel Bone Alternate Work
And all of them seem to perform isolated from the rest. Even with a similar set along, works just fine. =P

Considering that we have 8 different animation terms to combine and we can combine them in groups of any size, it means that:
_{(p = possibility)}

0 terms - 1 p
1 term - 8 p
2 terms - 28 p
3 terms - 56 p
4 terms - 70 p
5 terms - 56 p
6 terms - 28 p
7 terms - 8 p
8 terms - 1 p

being that terms: {Flesh, Bone, Gold, Lumber, Alternate, Work, Defend, Channel}
Summing it all up, we have 256 different sets of animations.

 

[NhazUl]

Add Spin as well, perhaps? Stand Spin, Attack Spin and Walk Spin can exist. Death and Spell too, I think.