Ancient Footman Wars 1.4

[Moderator]

11:56, 7th Sep 2011
Vengeancekael:

 

[-Kobas-]

Word or 2 from Author

Please report bugs and give suggestions so we can together make this map better and better!

Older Map versions are listed below!

Working on Ancient Footman Wars 1.5 map version!

Progress

Working on Replacing current with custom spells!

Change Log:

Version 1.3b => 1.4

OTHER

Fixed Victory/Defeat Conditions.
Fixed Experience System.
Added Army Upgrade System.
Fixed few small errors.

ABILITIES

Blizzard
Now effect only enemy units.

UNITS

Rock Golem give 1000 exp to Altar after death.
Rock Golem give 5 Power to killing player after death.
Neutral Hostile units give 2.5 times more exp after kill.
Hero gain 3 times more exp for each killed unit instead of 5.

Version 1.3 => 1.3b

OTHER

Fixed experience system bug

Version 1.2 => 1.3

OTHER

Fixed custom experience system.
Fixed All Random Command.
Fixed First Blood and Sound System.
Fixed Multiboard bug.
Added Mass Spamming after 60 seconds.
New Hero Selection System.
Fixed experience system bug (dummy units).
Fixed experience system bug (max hero level).

ABILITIES

Multi Shot
Fixed bug (Attacking friendly units).
Moon Arrow
Fixed bug (Damage).
Shadow Meld
Invisible unit now reduce movement speed of nearby enemy units for 10%/20%/30%.
Swap
Naisha use magic powers to swap herself with target unit!
Pull
Naisha use magic powers to pull enemy units to target position!
Hunt
Naisha release 3 images of herself a 3 random enemy units dealing damage to them. Aoe is 2000.
Aura of Darkness
Reduce damage of nearby enemy units.

ITEMS

Fixed -Blacksmith- item Stock Stats.
Fixed -Ancient of Wonders- Items Replenish Interval.
Fixed Power Ups.

HEROES

Added New Hero
Naisha (Spirit of Vengeance)

Movement Speed: 290
Attack Speed: 1.8

Agility: 25+2
Intelligence: 20+2
Strength: 15+2

Can Learn:
Hunt
Pull
Aura of Darkness
Swap

Tyranide (Pristress of the Moon)
Reduced base damage by 15.

Version 1.1 => 1.2

OTHER

-rcon = Revive Camera on
-rcoff = Revive Camera off

Camera at start move to players Altars.

Fixed bug with Circle of Power

ITEMS

Fixed bug with scroll of Town Portal.

Healing Potion
Heal 300 hit points (was 150).
Mana Potion
Restore 150 mana points (was 75).

ABILITIES

Upgrade Army
Fixed tooltip
Multi Shot
Allow Tyranide to fire up to 5 arrows attacking up to 5 enemies at same time.
Elune Arrow
Fire 3 powerful arrows that travel up to 5000 range, deal from 50 to 500 damage and stun from 0.5 seconds to 5 seconds first enemy unit in a line.
Jump
Causes this unit to jump, increasing it's movement speed after that for 10 seconds.
Shadow Meld
Makes a unit invisible. If the unit attacks, uses an ability or casts a spell, it will become visible.

UNITS

Increased neutral units spawn time from 90 to 150 seconds
Placed neutral units near Rock Golems

Blue Dragon
Fixed damage (base damage set to 100 and cooldown to 1.5).
Blue Drake
Fixed damage (base damage set to 50 and cooldown to 2).

HEROES

Added New Hero
Tyranide (Pristress of the Moon)
Movement Speed: 310
Attack Speed: 1.9

Agility: 25+2.5
Intelligence: 20+2
Strength: 15+1.5

Can Learn:
Multi Shot
Elune Arrow
Jump
Shadow Meld

Version 1.0 => 1.1

ITEMS

Boots of Power
Changed name into Power Boots.

Added New Items
Ancient Boots
Gives:
+115 Movement Speed
+10% Movement Speed Aura
Requires:
Boots of Speed

Recipe Cost: 2250
Total Cost: 3000

Warsong Battle Drums
Gives:
+15% Damage Aura
+15% Vampiric Aura (melee)
+100% Briliance Aura
Requires:
Mask of Death
Ring of Regeneration
Sobi Mask

Recipe Cost: 500
Total Cost: 3450

 

[DeadBoss]

This Footman Frenzy is much better, then other versions. The terrain is very attractive, and you have made lots of items. The leveling of the units is very creative. Vote for APPROVING!

 

[-Kobas-]

I just played 1 hosted map, I don't want to insult other maps but dude cast 1 spell with some sheep hero or whatever and destroyed 2 main buildings at same time , I was defeated in next 60 seconds.
You won't see such things here!

Thanks for your vote!

I will add more and more things with each new version!

 

[DeadBoss]

I don't want to critic the other maps, but this map really gives me much better gameplay. The design, the description, loading screen and the minimap everything is good. And where did you get the tilles?

 

[MrStormyZ]

Kobas made a Footman map ? WOW Just have to check this out.

EDIT : Impressed as Expected ^^
Couldn't really wait so tested out with a few people

What I liked
1.Though it took me sometime to under it the New Tier system of gaining Experience over the main building and then upgrading it
along with the spells it could cast.
2.Terrain layout is much different than the other footman maps the Middle Edges had Barricades for making the gameplay a bit different to what it used to be on a flat battle ground like the others and I'm sure one of my allies found some gold in them, good way to get some fast gold rush battles in the start.
3.I played Maiden and my ally was the Blood Mage( Humans ) everything seemed balanced while we we're fighting the orcs.
4. 4 Roshans ? we'll that's what I DotA player would say seeing the 4 huge golems in the middle of each base straight way.
5. The experience text bouncing while the heroes gain it and the color name text aswell.

Bugs Encountered/Suggestions
1. Seems like the main building of the Human isn't marked as Townhall as I couldn't use my TP while I wanted to get out of battle.
2. The Main building was made as a Hero and set to F1, Well I wouldn't say it's anything serious but most players would prefer to see their main hero at F1 than the Building.
3. The Dragon Spawning system, HELL!! the Dragons totally took over everything in Mid we had msgs saying " Player 13 Has Pass Beyond God Streak " I would recommend to make them a bit less or make some land creep instead.
4. The ways to one Base to another is Waaaay to open I think you might wanna put something as HeLLish as those Drakes there.( it has golem but it never seemed to mind if I just passed by )
5. The Night Elf Main building is Somewhat Invisible ? well I did go there with the Gem of True seeing thing but nothing revealed and a wisps we're still spawning at a spot there.

I have yet to Test out the Undead I might update this again ^^

seeing the minor problems I'll cast 4/5, Hoping for good updates soon.

 

[-Kobas-]

I don't want to critic the other maps, but this map really gives me much better gameplay. The design, the description, loading screen and the minimap everything is good. And where did you get the tilles?

1st of all thanks

Honestly I don't know who is Author but I found them in some project started by Anachron!

Kobas made a Footman map ? WOW Just have to check this out.

Can't wait to see what you have to say, suggest!

 

[Lambdadelta]

Those header fonts are really bad, hard to read;

JUST LOOK AT IT.

 

[-Kobas-]

What I liked
1.Though it took me sometime to under it the New Tier system of gaining Experience over the main building and then upgrading it
along with the spells it could cast.

Thanks, I will improve this later with few nice things.

2.Terrain layout is much different than the other footman maps the Middle Edges had Barricades for making the gameplay a bit different to what it used to be on a flat battle ground like the others and I'm sure one of my allies found some gold in them, good way to get some fast gold rush battles in the start.

Barricades and trees can be and will be destroyed with large number of spells
I want to add to map some strategic play!

3.I played Maiden and my ally was the Blood Mage( Humans ) everything seemed balanced while we we're fighting the orcs.

Thanks for information

4. 4 Roshans ? we'll that's what I DotA player would say seeing the 4 huge golems in the middle of each base straight way.

Will edit them later

5. The experience text bouncing while the heroes gain it and the color name text aswell.

Thanks, you can also turn on damage show and ability show systems ^^

Bugs Encountered/Suggestions
1. Seems like the main building of the Human isn't marked as Townhall as I couldn't use my TP while I wanted to get out of battle.

Fixed in incoming 1.2 version!

2. The Main building was made as a Hero and set to F1, Well I wouldn't say it's anything serious but most players would prefer to see their main hero at F1 than the Building.

Me as well, but I want to create few heroes that will be used like group of them (example meepo from dota )
So it will be even worse like this: Hero1, Altar, Hero2...

3. The Dragon Spawning system, HELL!! the Dragons totally took over everything in Mid we had msgs saying " Player 13 Has Pass Beyond God Streak " I would recommend to make them a bit less or make some land creep instead.

Improved as well in incoming 1.2 version

4. The ways to one Base to another is Waaaay to open I think you might wanna put something as HeLLish as those Drakes there.( it has golem but it never seemed to mind if I just passed by )

Again improved

5. The Night Elf Main building is Somewhat Invisible ? well I did go there with the Gem of True seeing thing but nothing revealed and a wisps we're still spawning at a spot there.

Forget to check, will fix bugs if I find any!

Thank you very much

Those header fonts are really bad, hard to read;
JUST LOOK AT IT.

Well don't look at it
I like it that way, but it can be changed if 2 many people find it bad!

 

[ironman47]

Hey Kobas I gotta say I'm havin a hard time myself with reading this:

*Five full credits to authors
if you use some resources or
systems on my map.

Am I reading that right? Shouldn't it say: Give full credit to authors.

 

[-Kobas-]

lol yes, ok, will fix it!

 

[ironman47]

Playtest

Ok, just quick review:

Things I disliked about the map:

-no camera set at game start (should move camera to players altar)
-Learn tooltips have no damage per level info (like default tooltip)
-Healing potion only healed 150 Hp, useless. (my hero had 670 hp at level 1)
-Runed gem reduces magic damage. Doesn't seem useful.
-Blue dragon does a very wide range of attack (ie 123-981 @ 15th upgrade)
-Moving camera on hero revive (good on most maps but a real pain when your trying to manage your army).
-No AI.

Things I liked about the map:

+Stationary hero. Offers potentially powerful support for your army while remaining in the rear.
+Loading Screen. One word > AWESOME!
+Terrain
+Orb. +10 to all,+5 armor,+damage. Good item for a relatively low cost.
+Difficulty setting. Always nice to see.
+Map layout. Plenty of wide pathways for your armies movement, Balanced start positions.

I wouldn't play this map again in its current state due to the annoying camera pan on hero revive. Nor will I rate this map since I playtested the map in singleplay and never got a real feel for the gamplay. (most important part)

However if you remove the revive camera pan or put in a switch to turn it off I'd be happy to give it another go with a friend

 

[-Kobas-]

-no camera set at game start (should move camera to players altar)

Fixed

-Learn tooltips have no damage per level info (like default tooltip)

Will be fixed in 1.3 version

-Healing potion only healed 150 Hp, useless. (my hero had 670 hp at level 1)

Fixed

-Runed gem reduces magic damage. Doesn't seem useful.

Will be once when I add few more items

-Blue dragon does a very wide range of attack (ie 123-981 @ 15th upgrade)

Fixed

-Moving camera on hero revive (good on most maps but a real pain when your trying to manage your army).

I added command so you can turn it on or off!

-No AI.

Will create poor AI in 1.3 but only for testing!

+Stationary hero. Offers potentially powerful support for your army while remaining in the rear.
+Loading Screen. One word > AWESOME!
+Terrain
+Orb. +10 to all,+5 armor,+damage. Good item for a relatively low cost.
+Difficulty setting. Always nice to see.
+Map layout. Plenty of wide pathways for your armies movement, Balanced start positions.

Thanks a lot

I wouldn't play this map again in its current state due to the annoying camera pan on hero revive. Nor will I rate this map since I playtested the map in singleplay and never got a real feel for the gamplay. (most important part)

However if you remove the revive camera pan or put in a switch to turn it off I'd be happy to give it another go with a friend

Go go go, test it and have fun!

 

[Eldubs]

Kobas, didnt know you had a footman map : ), gonna try to test ASAP, probably gonna review tomorrow!

 

[-Kobas-]

Well I have map, it will be 3 weeks (more or less) for now
Base setup was created in 1 week, polishing and balance are killing me

 

[Eldubs]

Many people say i am a great balancer, lets see how i can help you.

Starting 1v1v1 game right now.

Review for version 1.2
[+] Starting balance is good. [+0.4]
[+] Good terrain. [+1.1]
[+] Good choice of heroes. [+0.2]
[+] Nice idea to get your new troops by killing. [+0.1]
[=] No suggestions.
[-] Bad unit balance! [-0.5]
-This problem could be easily fixed, just lover the health of the units. They have too much health! Better than heroes in later game!!
[-] Bad item balance. [-0.1]
-Items were somehow too good for their cost.
[-] Bad hero balance. [-0.3]
-Heroes were ok in start, but later they got weak!
[-] Bad instructions how to upgrade units. [-0.5]
-The units were self upgrading or something? My enemies units were better upgraded than my units...
[-] Bad balance overall. [-0.2]
-The balance was terrible in later game.
[-] Bad instructions. [-0.5]
-The instructions side was lacking, what if i was new to footman wars and i was like. What the hell is this?
[!] No glitches. [+0.2]
[?] You had a type, when getting the unit upgrade, theres written that you get a unit every 5 seconds. Altho the base tells me every 7 seconds. [-0.2]

Overall this map gets a 2.5 from me, thats a 3/5. Approved

I can help you with balance but i need to play it more to get a proper balancing idea.

 

[DeadBoss]

I have hosted this map, but seriosly i don't know how to play with other players. Can someone show me how? I saw that someone has joineded but he left the game :S:S

 

[Eldubs]

Where do you host it?

 

[DeadBoss]

That's the main problem please come on the chat so we don't spam here.

[EDIT#1]:Hey -Kobas- i have played the map with a friend, and i lost the match. -_-
And Eldubs the net speed is 6mbps/s not kb it was mistake.

 

[-Kobas-]

Thanks for that small review!
But heroes shouldn't kill whole armies by themselves, that's the point! I hate that in other footman maps where guys with 1 or 2 spells kill units on whole screen!

Hero level 500, alone, can kill 10 or 20 enemy units (some can, more or less)
But not 50 units, and I won't change that

But hero level 100 with full inventory (powerful items only) should still be able to kill anything
(Point is that you need to play around 2 hours to get to level 100)

I will add more and more things with new update. Thanks again for informations!

[EDIT#1]:Hey -Kobas- i have played the map with a friend, and i lost the match. -_-
And Eldubs the net speed is 6mbps/s not kb it was mistake.

Cool, how it was,
Any suggestions?

 

[DeadBoss]

It's kind a unfair from the NE they can move the main base and with the other you can't. :/

 

[-Kobas-]

It's kind a unfair from the NE they can move the main base and with the other you can't. :/

lol how?
Can you make screenshot pls?

 

[DeadBoss]

I can't take a screenshot it was when we play it and i forgot to take a screenshot. :S

 

[MrStormyZ]

Downloading the updated one

Thanks for that small review!
But heroes shouldn't kill whole armies by themselves, that's the point! I hate that in other footman maps where guys with 1 or 2 spells kill units on whole screen!

Hero level 500, alone, can kill 10 or 20 enemy units (some can, more or less)
But not 50 units, and I won't change that

I totally Second that, it's basically what made all other footman so Imba

I can't take a screenshot it was when we play it and i forgot to take a screenshot. :S

try and see if you still have it in the replays folder as lastreplay
I found something funny there too in the 1st version

 

[Eldubs]

In my case the heroes were a little better but basically the units were too strong. This map developes too fast.

 

[-Kobas-]

This map developes too fast.

Well you guys reported large number of bugs, some I already found but forget about them!

Also map still need balancing that's why I uploaded it maybe 2 fast.

 

[Marcin013]

Nice map but I don't like the hero choose

 

[-Kobas-]

Nice map but I don't like the hero choose

Will try to fix that!

 

[Icedrake]

From the description and everything, this looks very promising. Two questions:

1.) Will you be planning on putting screenshots in the description?

This second question is not related to this map, but I must ask it anyway.

2.) Is Rise of Heroes II still in development?

 

[-Kobas-]

From the description and everything, this looks very promising. Two questions:

1.) Will you be planning on putting screenshots in the description?

This second question is not related to this map, but I must ask it anyway.

2.) Is Rise of Heroes II still in development?

1st. Sure as soon as I create few more custom created heroes!

2nd. Yes I will fix some bugs and upload new version as well!

 

[-Kobas-]

BUMP!

1.3 is out!

 

[GIANT_CRAB]

Triggers checked.
Tested game.
Review generated.

MY MAP REVIEW

The overall game-play was good, except that theres no AI which will make the game stand-out of all the other footmen maps. +2
-
No storyline. +0
-
The terrain was standard, other than the fact that it uses custom titles. +3
-
Description was excellent. +4
-
Triggers were bad, some leaks were cleared while some weren't. -1
---Marks---
-10~0 = Map Reported 1/5
1~4 = Lacking Map 2/5
5~9 = Approved Map 3/5
10~14 = Recommended Map 4/5
15~19 = Highly Recommended Map 5/5
20~25 = Director's Cut 5/5
---End---

Your map has a 3/5 Approved Map Rating. Congratz.
Voting for Approval.

Tutorials that may help you.
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/trigger-gui-editor-tutorials-279/basic-memory-leaks-5889/

PM/VM me if you want another review.

 

[-Kobas-]

Ok check your inbox!

 

[ironman47]

Bug found > There's no charges on the warsong battle drums recipe! (don't ya hate when that happens)
Other than that I didn't find anything else. But I will say this I played for about 45 min and my game came to a halt. (Lag) My cpu is a quad running at 3.4 ghz w/4 G's of ram I've never had lag in a WC3 map, so you might have a problem there. But I played the game single play to test it. I would suggest a simple condition to limit creation. (Keep the population in check) And help prevent lag.

Other than that I really like this map. For the following:
+Terrain, one of the best looking terrains I've seen on a map.
+Love those potion Icons
+Being able to buy the items and the recipe from the same shop > no running around on a easter egg hunt.)
+Nice doodads, cool little blue light thingys
+Stationary Hero, I like this idea, orginal, hard to kill and support for your army.


This map is simple but with quality.
Sure it could be bigger you could have more items but in my opinion its great the way it is.
Quality is always much better than quantity. We not talkin money here.)

 

[-Kobas-]

Bug Found Its a little thing.) There's no charges on the warsong battle drums recipe! (don't ya hate when that happens)

Can you explain that a little more, maybe picture (screenshot)

I tested item few times and it worked fine O.O

 

[ironman47]

When I tested I didn't have all items to make the recipe so i got the recipe. No Charge. I sold it bought the correct item(had the wrong ring) then purchased the item again. no problem.
Its just the recipe item. If you have it in your inventory it has no charge.

 

[-Kobas-]

Leaks o.o?

 

[GIANT_CRAB]

Leaks o.o?

Using of temporary groups, region leaks, player group leaks.

 

[-Kobas-]

I usually clean unit group leaks with:
set bj_wantDestroyGroup = true

Also I use some player groups and locations few times and constantly so I don't need to destroy them!

For example:
Circle of Power position is set as Point_CoP array variable, I just use it that way each time when I need to revive hero and so on!

I don't destroy that point, instead I use it within different triggers as well!

Still maybe I made some memory leaks, but all loop actions that spawn forces and so on and 100% leak clean!

 

[GIANT_CRAB]

I usually clean unit group leaks with:
set bj_wantDestroyGroup = true

Also I use some player groups and locations few times and constantly so I don't need to destroy them!

For example:
Circle of Power position is set as Point_CoP array variable, I just use it that way each time when I need to revive hero and so on!

I don't destroy that point, instead I use it within different triggers as well!

Still maybe I made some memory leaks, but all loop actions that spawn forces and so on and 100% leak clean!

I saw a region leak.... I think its in the... spam trigger...
starts count down, 5, .....

Edit: and i didn't say there were point leaks, did i???

 

[-Kobas-]

Well I won't destroy region because I need it, I can only destroy point, location that can be center of that region and so on

Anyway, I fixed that, so far around 6 leaks in 1 shot triggers >.>

Point is at the end there is no lag created by leaks, still I will take ironman47 advice and create spam limit!
It will be around 25 units per player, after that player get money instead of units

Also:

Triggers were bad

Can you give example?

 

[GIANT_CRAB]

Well I won't destroy region because I need it, I can only destroy point, location that can be center of that region and so on

Anyway, I fixed that, so far around 6 leaks in 1 shot triggers >.>

Point is at the end there is no lag created by leaks, still I will take ironman47 advice and create spam limit!
It will be around 25 units per player, after that player get money instead of units

Also:


Can you give example?

Bad as in it leaks.
Remember to vm or pm me when u want another review.

 

[-Kobas-]

Ok, will request another one after few updates!

 

[MrStormyZ]

ok dude.. I think I found a HUGE Leak/Bug.

Happened 2 times when I was Undead ( Light Blue )

 

[-Kobas-]

Thanks will see what can I do about it!

EDIT:

Can you pls tell me map version, what you did to make that bug happen!

 

[MrStormyZ]

Thanks will see what can I do about it!

EDIT:

Can you pls tell me map version, what you did to make that bug happen!

well as I see it's 1.3b and I was the Light Blue Undead player
the Starting screen of mine was on the Teal Human place and when I scrolled around and bought a Hero this happened It seems to be only with UD as I've played a 2v2v2 with Ne Orc and Hu ( bugs in them mentioned earlier )

 

[ironman47]

Ok I played this map again with a friend and He had like 50 peons and I had like one unit spawning after about 10 mins of gameplay. Then my altar dies my hero continues to spawn and everytime he's killed it show victory for other player. Serious problems with this map in multiplay.

Problems found:
-Spawning triggers
-Victory/defeat trigger
-altar hero wasn't gaining experience for killing player units.

You just lost some points dude fix and I will replay and adjust my rating

 

[-Kobas-]

Will do will do!

 

[BlackKnightTGS]

Best Footman Wars map out there imo Haven't fully tested it yet though.