Abilities changing the Defense Type ?

[sadvisor]

Could someone help me?
I'm making an ability that adds +2 to armor.

The thing is i want that ability to change the unit's Defense Type too. (for exaple form Defense Type: Large to Medium

Is this possible?

 

[NoobMapmaker]

You should make different copies of one unit and trigger the game to replace them accordingly.

 

[Destroyer25]

Probably not possible to unit data so you have to do it with triggers. You can get ur ability that adds 2 armor. Then make your trigger.
Event-A unit casts a spell or if its passive, a unit gets the ability
Condition the spell or ability is equal to ......
Action Change the unit's defense type to ......
Hold on 1 sec lemme see if I can do it for you.

 

[sadvisor]

there's no such thing as [Action] "Change the unit's defense type" to ......

 

[Destroyer25]

there's no such thing as [Action] "Change the unit's defense type" to ......

Yeah I cudn't find it. I think what you wana do is impossible for a unit. Only possible as an upgrade.

 

[Restor]

did you try to use Tinker ultimate ability? It change him into some robot, and it change his armor type

 

[sadvisor]

Restor, i don't think it would work, but could you tell me the name of that ability to try?
I will let you know if it works.

 

[Viikuna]

Use Chaos. It can change unittype from one to another, so you can basicly do anything with it.

I think it has some problems though, like loosing some bonus stuff that old unit had and stuff like that. That can luckily be solved by triggering all that shit. Using systems like UnitProperties for example.

 

[Restor]

But, that ability will be instant, or it will be just for short period of time? Or you can change between one and second armor type?

 

[Reaper2008]

Does it have to be MUI? If it is MPI you could do this with researches. Else give the unit Destroyer ability (modded ofc) should work fine.

 

[graystuff111]

Use burrow!!! I mean, not burrow, uproot or whatever, that changes defence type when cast, so you can cast it, then remove it via trigger to change the defence type.

 

[sadvisor]

graystuff111, until now, your ideea seems to be the only one that could help.
I don't see any other way of changing a unit's defense type except for using root.
However i do not know how to make it work.

EDIT: Chaos uses "Data - New Unit Type" so it's useless because i have to much units and to much abilities to do such thing.

 

[Urwaldbewohner]

If it´s for an single hero per race you can make it with the upgrade from the orcs witch chanches the defense typ of the watch tower from heavy to building. This would be easy done with an trigger.

 

[Azeroc]

Changing units armor is possible, cause Island Defense made such thing with Demon (You research one upgrade and Demon armor is changed to fortified).
So yea changing units armor is possible.

 

[toofless]

Using Chaos is likely to be your best bet. This is the ability Blizzard created explicitly for such a purpose.

I used such a method for 'equiping weapons' system and encounted no hassles (bar having to make near duplicates of your units).

 

[Longvie]

Changing units armor is possible, cause Island Defense made such thing with Demon (You research one upgrade and Demon armor is changed to fortified).
So yea changing units armor is possible.

That's an upgrade, it's even used in w3 Ladder, they are talking about spells here.

 

[sadvisor]

i have already told you: "Chaos" it's not the solution because this ability uses "Data - New Unit Type" wich meams that when this ability is activated, the unit will change in another unit (the unit will be replaced, it won't just chage it's stats and defense type, attack type, etc)
It's same thing as "Call To Arms", "Bear Form", etc

The reason i cannot use one of this abilities as base ability is because i have a lots of unit types in map, so i cannot make a duplicate for each of them.

I cannot use "Upgrades" too because this abilities will come with items.

 

[sadvisor]

bump c'mon there's just no way of changing units defense type?
Not even by triggers? Updates? Abilities?

Anything except for replacing with another similar unit?

 

[toofless]

If Blizzard ever made an upgrade to change defense type they would probably use Chaos

Really, how many units would you have to duplicate because I see that as the only way...

 

[sadvisor]

actually, there is an ability that changes the defense type, WITHOUT upgrade or replacing the unit with another. (my only hope)

This ability is "ROOT". Yes, the "root" form ancient protector (and other night elf buildings) but the problem is: when i cast this ability the unit will not be able to move and attack anymore. After i cast it again, the unit will return to it's default state (wich is good).

 

[toofless]

Ye but that's a very specialised ability which you probably can't customise. You can edit the 'attacks allowed' but as for move speed it's probably hard coded that the unit becomes a building.

 

[Vercas]

Let's think like this...
Using an upgrade, you can change a unit's defense type. We all know this.
Now, we can use it without any triggers with the Glyph abilities. Take a look, they give an upgrade.
But BEWARE, once an upgrade is done, it cannot be undone!
Now, we only need to add the upgrade to the item. But, there's a problem. The item can't be held in the inventory. It has to be used by clicking on it or when acquired.

As I know, sadvisor tested this theory and it did not work.

Any ideas?

 

[sadvisor]

well i guess the only question that remains now is:
It is possible to change a unit's defense type with a Glyph of Fortification?
If yes, how? (triggers are good too)

 

[Vercas]

The ability has to be activated... Used!
But then, how could the item be held in the inventory?
Things will get more complicated if you use triggers.
>.>
I need to take a better look at these things.

 

[sadvisor]

bump

 

[Vercas]

Hmmm...
Still noone wills to help?

 

[drowelf]

The ability has to be activated... Used!
But then, how could the item be held in the inventory?
Things will get more complicated if you use triggers.
>.>
I need to take a better look at these things.

I believe you can add the ability "Inventory (Hero)" to non hero units, then if you want the item to be used there is a value labeled "Perish" or something like that in the item screen and you just check that to false. Should work fine

 

[Viikuna]

If I were you, I would just trigger all damage types and armor types and controll all damage dealt with triggers and things like this would become ridicilously easy.

Of course setting up a system like that takes shitloads of coding.

 

[Reaper2008]

Any upgrade can do it with "Defence type change".

 

[sadvisor]

Any upgrade can do it with "Defence type change".

Yes, anybody knows that, to bad i`m talking about ITEM abilities/upgrades.

 

[sadvisor]

bump

 

[toofless]

In the time waiting for an answer you could have created duplicate units to use for chaos.

 

[sadvisor]

you don't understand, do you?
I have over 35 types of units.

That would mean i have to do:
35 x 4(attack types) x 4(defense types) units.

 

[drowelf]

520 combos, yeah it takes time but w/ copy and paste it isn't as bad. Sorry, I don't have any other solution for ya man

 

[sadvisor]

I have to say...that cannot be considered a "solution". It`s a joke.

 

[Storyyeller]

How about this?

Make a ton of different upgrades for each defense type. When a unit acquires or drops an item, give it the appropriate upgrade.

The only problem with this is that if the player keeps picking up and dropping them item, the upgrades will be used up pretty quickly.

Still it's the best thing I can think. I'm guessing you're pretty much out of luck.

 

[sadvisor]

this won't work sadly.

 

[Vercas]

True.
Upgrades cannot be undone or redone.

 

[Viikuna]

Just get some damagedetection system and trigger some neat, damagetype & armortype thingy that controls damage taken in your map. It takes some work but also solves your problem and is only reasonable solution really.

 

[Vercas]

This does NOT change the unit's armor or attack type.
This thing is mostly necessary for changing the icon of the attack/armor.

 

[sadvisor]

another bump.

 

[Vercas]

I think this is really impossible.
But now I need something similar...
I need a hero to be able to change his armor and attack type.
Armors:
Unarmored
Cloth
Leather
Mail
Plate
Attacks:
Unarmed
One-Handed
Two-Handed
Ranged

I guess you need something similar.
I hope that at least the 1.24 patch will open a way to solve this.

 

[sadvisor]

well i guess i should just quit all the maps i`m working on wxcept for the modern-warfare-type one.

I don't need such thing on that kind of map.

 

[Vercas]

Hey, but in your map, how many units do need this thing?
In my map... only one.
And I'm using the BX-TRS II inventory so i can't replace the unit or something like that...
Or like those futuristic maps where the heroes have some fat-ass smart weapons and armors that change their stats. They are protected.

 

[sadvisor]

OFFTOPIC Start
_{[neah...my modern-warfare-type map has nothing to do with zombies, laser guns and such things. ]}
OFFTOPIC End

 

[Vercas]

I'll never understand why do those futuristic maps have zombies and smart-ass weapons.

I prefere medieval stuff.

 

[~Void~]

I think this is really impossible.
But now I need something similar...
I need a hero to be able to change his armor and attack type.
Armors:
Unarmored
Cloth
Leather
Mail
Plate
Attacks:
Unarmed
One-Handed
Two-Handed
Ranged

I guess you need something similar.
I hope that at least the 1.24 patch will open a way to solve this.

Unarmored: Villager Male
Cloth: Villager Male 2
Leather: Weaponless Peasant
Mail: Weaponless Militia
Plate: Weaponless Footman

Now you just need to add 2H and ranged anims.

 

[Vercas]

Haha... That's funny, you know?
I need the 40-animations villager...
I cannot replace the unit. It's impossible.

My only choice is to change the unit's attack and armor type, but that's not possible now.

 

[Viikuna]

Just use Chaos. Its not a big job to generate as much as few thousand abilities with grimex. Check system called UnitProperties in wc3c.net script section. It uses a nice lua script to create 150 item stats bonus abilities for that system.

You could maybe try something similiar to create those Chaos abilities and unit types for all possible combinations. ( if there aint too much of them .. )

 

[Vercas]

Well well well...
Maybe it can help sadvisor...
But not me... >.>