A place to privately view posts deleted for moderation reasons

[Retera]

I noticed that if I post a long winding post that in my opinion is probably 70% on topic to a thread, but is deemed off topic by staff, they sometimes delete it and it entirely disappears.

I'm wondering if it would possible to have a "Your Deleted Posts" thread somewhere that could be used privately by each user to access deleted information, in case the posts removed were incredibly long. While I recognize there may be reasons the post is not displayed publicly on the thread where it was originally placed, if I write it while on the toilet on a phone or something like that there's a potential that I don't personally save a backup and if I sit and write 5 or 10 paragraphs on a topic that I am passionate about, it seems sad to see that disappear. I might prefer to instead to re-post it somewhere like Unfiltered Rant or something similar.

 

[Footman16]

The fact you say you would be tempted to post it in a place called "unfiltered rant" probably suggests how on-topic it was. I deleted it. Because it was off-topic like so many of your posts that you hijack to attempt to promote and advertise Warsmash your own personal project rather than actually engaging with the points of the thread. You will throw a token few sentences on-topic before diverting to screeds upon screeds of off-topic discussion. You've been warned before about it and it's not unexpected, you know exactly what you're doing. And you're even doing it here by subtly advertising your Warsmash3 Campaigns website with that link. Stop playing dumb and stop treating me like an idiot that doesn't see what you're doing.

Also you say in your link "They said it was off topic. I find it annoying. It seems more like a pattern of making sure that Hive doesn't speak ill of Microsoft, Activision or Reforged perhaps in order to cow-tow to the --- well, and I called them this in that past --- the "WoW mafia" who own the brand."

Hive has no affiliation to these companies, I'm just a random dude who enjoys Warcraft 3 and moderates the site in my spare time. There's no conspiracy here just enforcement of the rules.

 

[Retera]

Right but it's gone so now no one can form their own opinions. It could be the case that I post in on "Unfiltered Rant" as some sort of irony to make fun of myself over there. I wouldn't be too worried about what happens on "Warsmash3 Campaigns" if I were you. The whole site runs on a VPS set up by an AI and when I stop paying my AI sub and stop paying my VPS sub the site will surely die, and its information will surely be lost. I don't doubt it's short lived.

Are you bothered that I am promoting a dangerous idea, or that I am promoting myself in some way? Warsmash is not profitable and I do not think promoting it will gain me much. When people have taken interest in it, as evidenced by recent pull requests, I often ignored them in favor of my flights of fancy of going around and saying and doing whatever I felt like. I have monetization on my YouTube turned off because when the site told me to turn it on, they wanted to link with my personal information and I lost interest in doing that because of my negative opinions of Google as a comopany.

So I don't see myself as gaining much from promoting Warsmash, other than the good faith discussion of making broader points about Warcraft 3 which are more easily made with examples and shown on video than with text based hypotheticals.

Hive has no affiliation to these companies, I'm just a random dude who enjoys Warcraft 3 and moderates the site in my spare time. There's no conspiracy here just enforcement of the rules.

But isn't your post also off topic because whether or not an individual, particular large post I make should be deleted is actually irrelevant to the topic at hand of whether or not Hive should have a place for users to come and view such posts?

If we all used less words, and my entire suggestion was, "I want to be able to see my past posts that were deleted" and your reply was "your past posts are bad, no one should see them" can you see how that sort of detracts from the discussion of a site suggestion?

EDIT:
Even if all of my posts were bad and I was actually a villain, what if some other person in the future eventually has a post get deleted that was actually good? They might want to be able to come back and see it privately and contemplate their life.

 

[deepstrasz]

Pastebin or better yet, personal blog/computer/log/cloud/you name it.

 

[Retera]

But all of that requires doing it in advance for every single post. I'm asking about possibly viewing posts where the user didn't do that

 

[deepstrasz]

Decisions matter. Rules also.
Accessing such posts means they're not actually deleted.
Everything has consequences in a manner or another.

 

[Retera]

But they would be deleted for everyone except the person who uploaded them. So they're not really there, it would just be for personal review

 

[deepstrasz]

The less we get attached to meaningless or rather harmful things, the best.
I'm sure you are more than able to make a super better post than that one. Just do it in a fitting place.

 

[Retera]

Easy to say when we don't have the original to compare against

 

[Footman16]

Right but it's gone so now no one can form their own opinions.

They're not moderators. They don't need to vote or have an opinion on it, it's my judgement and I judged it off-topic.

It could be the case that I post in on "Unfiltered Rant" as some sort of irony to make fun of myself over there. I wouldn't be too worried about what happens on "Warsmash3 Campaigns" if I were you.

And until that happens your misinformation will still be present where you insinuate I and the Hive staff are somehow compromised and subservient to Microsoft in pure conspiratorial and baseless thinking which as I have already said is completely untrue. The Hive has no direct connection to Microsoft outside of being a modding site for Warcraft 3. We are not paid by them and are not in communication with them, Ralle and Archian run the site as they feel fit to do so and I enforce the rules as written based on my own judgement.

Are you bothered that I am promoting a dangerous idea, or that I am promoting myself in some way? Warsmash is not profitable and I do not think promoting it will gain me much.

It's not about you, it's about other people's threads and respect that you keep ignoring to make it about you and Warsmash. You have no regard for other people's time or threads or discussions. It is the height of selfishness and rudeness.

When people have taken interest in it, as evidenced by recent pull requests, I often ignored them in favor of my flights of fancy of going around and saying and doing whatever I felt like.

And this right here is exactly the problem in a community you cannot "[say] and [do] whatever you feel like". You must abide by the rules and have respect and consideration for others and not just yourself.

But isn't your post also off topic because whether or not an individual, particular large post I make should be deleted is actually irrelevant to the topic at hand of whether or not Hive should have a place for users to come and view such posts?

In any other circumstance I would say yes, but here no since this isn't about that but about your own behaviour and inability to conform after being repeatedly asked and having a lot of grace and patience extended to you in spite of your repeated infractions and behaviour. Even going so far as to go into discords and lie and spread misinformation in an attempt to defame and seek sympathy from others when called out for your actions.

If we all used less words, and my entire suggestion was, "I want to be able to see my past posts that were deleted" and your reply was "your past posts are bad, no one should see them" can you see how that sort of detracts from the discussion of a site suggestion?

If we used less words maybe, but we haven't and if we did that isn't what I said. Do not strawman this and attempt to shirk your own responsibility and consequences.

Stop derailing threads. Do it one more time and a ban will be issued and I will strongly consider it being permanent.

 

[Glasir]

this isn't about that but about your own behaviour and inability to conform

I feel like the irony of your own statement is lost on you here? This is a thread about a site suggestion for users to be able to see their own posts, including those that were deleted or edited by moderators. From your very first post in this thread, you refused to engage with the topic of the thread, and immediately dipped into ad hominem attacks on the thread author. No matter how true those statements are, they are decidedly off-topic, and derailing to the thread. If you want to throw around ban threats, maybe it would be more appropriate to do that in DMs, rather than a site suggestion thread.

An actual, appropriate, response here would be something like:
"While your suggestion has minor merit, it would only provide value to a very small number of users. Most users do not have their posts deleted or edited by moderators, and thus would have no need for this feature. Other features, that would provide value to a large number of users, should always have much higher priority than niche features such as this. While this idea may be considered in the future, I would not expect it to be implemented soon if ever."

 

[Drake53]

I like reading Retera's ramblings from time to time, even if they are off-topic and contain a certain flavor of humor and satire that the moderation team can't seem to appreciate. I also don't think it's fair to threaten him with a permaban when he's simply passionate about his project.

 

[General Frank]

It would be nice to view one's own deleted resources. I know they are there and not deleted because I have seen them when I was on staff.

 

[deepstrasz]

I like reading Retera's ramblings from time to time, even if they are off-topic and contain a certain flavor of humor and satire that the moderation team can't seem to appreciate. I also don't think it's fair to threaten him with a permaban when he's simply passionate about his project.

So, off-topic/rule breaking for the sake of self indulged passion? For other users' pleasure to read?
I would develop a strong passion of spamming user profiles, perhaps starting with yours. See if that would change your mind.

 

[tillinghast]

I would develop a strong passion of spamming user profiles

what do you mean "would"? you've been doing that for years

 

[deepstrasz]

I feel like the irony of your own statement is lost on you here? This is a thread about a site suggestion for users to be able to see their own posts, including those that were deleted or edited by moderators. From your very first post in this thread, you refused to engage with the topic of the thread, and immediately dipped into ad hominem attacks on the thread author. No matter how true those statements are, they are decidedly off-topic, and derailing to the thread. If you want to throw around ban threats, maybe it would be more appropriate to do that in DMs, rather than a site suggestion thread.

An actual, appropriate, response here would be something like:
"While your suggestion has minor merit, it would only provide value to a very small number of users. Most users do not have their posts deleted or edited by moderators, and thus would have no need for this feature. Other features, that would provide value to a large number of users, should always have much higher priority than niche features such as this. While this idea may be considered in the future, I would not expect it to be implemented soon if ever."

Diplomacy for the sake of it is useless. The context of why this thread started matters. That's what Footman16's post implies.
It's essentially a mean way of asking to continue being off-topic.

 

[Drake53]

So, off-topic/rule breaking for the sake of self indulged passion? For other users' pleasure to read?
I would develop a strong passion of spamming user profiles, perhaps starting with yours. See if that would change your mind.

I think you gotta view this from a regular user's perspective too. I'm sure Retera is mostly a troublemaker for the moderation team, but for the site as a whole? Are users complaining about their threads getting derailed? If not, then a permaban sounds like a disproportionate measure.

 

[Footman16]

Are users complaining about their threads getting derailed? If not, then a permaban sounds like a disproportionate measure.

I do not consider these options lightly, but the sheer number of times this has occured, the misinformation that has been spread, and trolling over such a long time period with no change, after I have been exceedingly patient and willing to engage with them has brought it to this point. Also yes their posts do get reported.

I appreciate to an average user they might not see the scale of it but I have been dealing with this since I effectively took on this role and my predecessor before me as well. It's gotten beyond a joke and I see no other option since all others have been pursued.

I feel like the irony of your own statement is lost on you here? This is a thread about a site suggestion for users to be able to see their own posts, including those that were deleted or edited by moderators.

It would appear to be, but it isn't.

From your very first post in this thread, you refused to engage with the topic of the thread, and immediately dipped into ad hominem attacks on the thread author.

It's not ad hominem if it's true everything I have said is factually true and accurate as a descriptor. And re-reading I don't see any ad hominem, the only ad hominem is towards myself and the staff from Retera accusing us of being Microsofts lapdogs.

No matter how true those statements are, they are decidedly off-topic, and derailing to the thread. If you want to throw around ban threats, maybe it would be more appropriate to do that in DMs, rather than a site suggestion thread.

Maybe, but this is the point it's gotten to with this user and I would like other people to see and appreciate how we've gotten to this point.