Goblin Trade Prince Mech Hero

[MiniMage]

Whoop.

BOOM, ingame picture!

 

[Misha]

well that one has been in the works for a while

 

[PROXY]

Are those wow shredder/Sky Golem Animations? Because I´m pretty sure I've seen them already.

Nice work nonetheless.

 

[Shar Dundred]

You finally released it?!

Waiting for that since 2014!
Great!

 

[Kyrbi0]

Woooop! The day has arrived!

Will have to check it out later.

 

[Cuore]

It's greatly elaborate!!! Awesome work

 

[MiniMage]

Are those wow shredder/Sky Golem Animations? Because I´m pretty sure I've seen them already.

Nice work nonetheless.

I used that as a base, yeah.

 

[General Frank]

Good stuff.

 

[Kyrbi0]

Ugh, the crazy resizing in the Hive Viewer is making it really hard to concentrate; might have to open in Magos/WE. @GhostWolf , why is that?

 

[MiniMage]

I scaled down the model to 70% for all animations. I am not sure why it looks like that. Looks fine in Mdlvis, Magos and Ingame though.

 

[Cuore]

I advance the hypothesis that it tries to rescale to 100% (or whatever was set in frame 0) in the frames that lie outside of sequences, and that this causes what we see in the viewer for some reason unknown to me.

 

[PROXY]

I used that as a base, yeah.

I'd add that in the description. I know it's kinda unnesscary but people might blame you of claiming someone elses work (in this case blizz, but still - they are wow anims and not originally from wc3). As the animations are top notch (obviously) it really should be mentioned IMO.

 

[Cuore]

I'd add that in the description. I know it's kinda unnesscary but people might blame you of claiming someone elses work (in this case blizz, but still - they are wow anims and not originally from wc3). As the animations are top notch (obviously) it really should be mentioned IMO.

Really? That seems so excessive!

 

[Kyrbi0]

Really? That seems so excessive!

Not really... Because while there's nothing wrong with using in-game (or even WoW) animations (heck, that's the basis of geomerging/in-game-texturing as well), it could be seen as sort of 'disingenuous', if someone were presenting that work as solely their own, completely from scratch (which is kind of the assumption unless one says otherwise).

I'm not saying what was done here was wrong, per se, nor that it doesn't look good, and not even that MiniMage didn't do some kind of editing to it to make it fit (we all know that Blizzard's stuff doesn't always work right ported around; gotta be tweaked). But, as an example, I was getting ready to heap praise for the scratch-animating job... However, this is evidence it is probably *not* animated by hand. Would be some seriously misplaced praise, IMHO.

 

[MiniMage]

Yeah, updated the description.

Also, Shar Dundred. I had another model similar to this that I started in 2014, which was scrapped in late 2015, which was then redone at the moment and worked on until now.

 

[GhostWolf]

@Kyrbi0 It doesn't happen in version 4 ("beta"), so it's a non-issue.

As far as the model goes, are you crazy? Do you not realize there is such a concept called interpolation, and you don't need literally thousands of keyframes for some simple robotic movement? That is in addition to the fact you have thousands of keyframes not even used by the model.
It actually made me think my code failed to load the model, because it froze the sanity test for like 15 seconds due to all of the warnings generated...

Not only does this take ridiculous amounts of memory, as can clearly be seen by the model size, it also makes it a lot harder to actually edit animations, I won't be surprised if every change in an animation is a pain, considering you have 600 other keyframes you need to change...

 

[PROXY]

@Kyrbi0 It doesn't happen in version 4 ("beta"), so it's a non-issue.

As far as the model goes, are you crazy? Do you not realize there is such a concept called interpolation, and you don't need literally thousands of keyframes for some simple robotic movement? That is in addition to the fact you have thousands of keyframes not even used by the model.
It actually made me think my code failed to load the model, because it froze the sanity test for like 15 seconds due to all of the warnings generated...

Not only does this take ridiculous amounts of memory, as can clearly be seen by the model size, it also makes it a lot harder to actually edit animations, I won't be surprised if every change in an animation is a pain, considering you have 600 other keyframes you need to change...

That's because of the wow animations, they are of course more filesize heavy.

 

[GhostWolf]

The animations are not heavy because they have amazing detail, they are heavy because they are baked.
And to add salt to injury, you were too lazy to delete about 3k unused keyframes.
As far as I remember, one of the model submission rules is that if WoW (or any external) models are used, they must be adapted to WC3 for saner files sizes.
It's odd to me that I need to even say this though, you are the modelers/animators...

 

[MiniMage]

I generally keep most keyframes since it has a habit of breaking if you clean too well. I don't remember hearing about a limit on filesize and I moderated a shitload of models back when I was a resource moderator.

I could probably go over it and reduce filesize later. Just getting it to this stage was a lot of work. But if this is not up to hive standards, I'll just take it down. I have neither the energy nor the patience to go through hive drama just because I choose to share a model. This is one of the reasons I stopped uploading models regularly in the first place.

 

[GhostWolf]

I don't even care about the rules, I stated that because it should be common sense. This model can probably be less than 100KB. It's weird to me that as a modeler/animator you wouldn't properly optimize your model.

 

[MiniMage]

Optimizing the model reduces maybe 30kb and makes it dangerously unstable. Also, the point wasn't to make a simple model. The point was to make a so ridiculously armed model that it makes you grin. Technically speaking, I could remove the spell alternate model, because it adds a lot of filesize. But when I asked other members, they suggested that I keep it, so I did.

As far as size goes, with the current limit of 128mb for maps, not many care about filesize anymore. Granted, one shouldn't go overboard. As for numerous keyframes. More keyframes add more fluidity to the animations. Might not be minimized and optimized, but it looks good. I went for something that was around 1mb, which I agree is a hefty size. So to use this model, you balance pros and cons. I imagine this would be a boss hero. It is on my map.

I still try to circle around 8mb for my maps despite the now broader filesize available. Granted, the model will fuck up the model viewer on this site. But I've never deemed that tool that reliable. It's useful if you want a gist of how it looks, but to properly look at it, you need to download it and view it in magos, mdlvis and then finally ingame.

 

[Loki18]

stoke! how bout gnome versions?

 

[Tal'Rarity]

Well I can easily share the fact that a lot of people will appreciate your models including myself, this is amazing. I don't see the problem, its a wonderfully epic model that'll continually lose its wonder if the maker of it is forced to do something he doesn't want too.

Thank you for sharing this, very well made art.

 

[WhiteFang]

This just badass.Definitely one of the coolest models I've seen

 

[MangaPwnz]

Hi! Great looking model. I'm using it for a custom map and want to use the "Alternate Attack" animation (Flying and attacking is really cool). I have 2 questions.

1: I figured out how to run certain animations but is there a way to stop him from landing at the start of the attack? So that he stay in the air constantly while attacking. If you give him a high attackspeed (0.3) he barerly lifts of the ground (which is sad, because the "Attack One - 1" animation is so fitting with high attack speed") and with a low attack speed he jumps up and down instead of staying in the air.

2. When using this trigger to add "Attack Alternate", "Stand Alternate" and "Walk Alternate" gives the same result. How come? Should I use another method to add/change the animations in game? (I want to change when he uses certain spells)

• Animation - Add the (Entered chat string) animation tag to Goblin Tinker 0043 <gen>

 

[MiniMage]

Hm. Strange. Well, set the model animation to alternate. And just set that model to attack, that should work?
Basically imagine Illidan's morph or the Tinker tank morph models.

I also realized that I might need to add some attachment points, because I think I forgot to add that.

 

[General Frank]

Please fix the geoset animation of the 'Death' animation. The lower part should disappear after it goes underground.

 

[MiniMage]

Really? I thought it did?

 

[Madison]

Holy carp, this is amazing! it must have been hard to do :O

Downloading... this goes straight to my collection.

 

[General Frank]

The model misses ALL major and minor attachment points. Please add all attachment points that you see fit and those that a normal wc3 hero/unit has.

 

[MiniMage]

Fuck. I knew I forgot something.

 

[Shooterman56]

Wow that looks amazing. Nice work.

 

[Madison]

I've just realized that with a few changes, this could become Dr. Boom from The Boomsday Project!

 

[MiniMage]

I thought about making another smaller model based on Dr. Boom and call that unit the Trade Baron.

 

[Madison]

I thought about making another smaller model based on Dr. Boom and call that unit the Trade Baron.

That would be awesome!

 

[Kyrbi0]

Oh heck yeah

 

[Entree2014]

So model is really cool, but what kind of spells or custom spells do you make/give him so that his animations would work? What spells to customise or use? Looking for recommendations, suggestions or guidance

 

[Tal'Rarity]

Kind of still missing attachment points but more importantly 1.33 patch dumped some sewer water all over this amazing ride.

 

[MiniMage]

All the textures kind of got nuked with the reforged update. I've been getting into blender as of late, which is a treat. Far better than MDLVIS and Magos that I stuck to so religiously. If animation isn't too wonky, I might make more models again, as well as fixing the ones that broke. But I'm not making any promises considering how much time this would take to do.

 

[Barade]

Great model. Maybe link BTNGoblinPrince
Why is it still in the "Awaiting update" state?
The preview looks fine.

edit:
Ah I see the ingame textures and your post. Yes please, this model would be cool in Reforged. Nice animations!

 

[Greedy Procrastinator]

O m g

 

[deepstrasz]

He's packing? But she may be packing more!