2Player: BloodElf01

[Moderator]

11:58, 15th Mar 2014
Orcnet: Map approved, game is fitting as a co-op and very much Kael'thas player is given a new look and tech based upon Blood Elven lore. Keep it up

 

[PlankingWolf]

Hory what?!
The blood elves' buildings in this chapter are too blood elvish. They're just working for Garithos, so maybe Garithos gave them some human troops and some peasants that don't know how to build blood elf buildings? I mean, I would guess people would get this.
I just suggest that you change the buildings at the start to something... More human-ish.
At some future chapters you should probably change them to something blood-elvish.

 

[Heinvers]

He wanted to have that elven feel So he already told me that those will remain that way. I won't rate this yet.

 

[PlankingWolf]

He wanted to have that elven feel So he already told me that those will remain that way. I won't rate this yet.

Well some people might want the feel of the lore. It just doesn't feel right for Kael to have elvish buildings at Chapter 1.
Edit: I think I got up to the problem. The buildings are too fancy. He's not supposed to have fancy buildings when he's a slave (or something) of Garithos.
Edit yet again: Your credits must credit who the creators are, not what website the creator submitted it to.

 

[Heinvers]

Yeah I know Wolf. But he felt it's too boring that both factions have the same building architecture. Just ask him when he get's online!

 

[Pyraeus]

Well some people might want the feel of the lore. It just doesn't feel right for Kael to have elvish buildings at Chapter 1.
Edit: I think I got up to the problem. The buildings are too fancy. He's not supposed to have fancy buildings when he's a slave (or something) of Garithos.
Edit yet again: Your credits must credit who the creators are, not what website the creator submitted it to.

First of all, Kael'thas is not a slave, but a prince of his own people by Alliance right. The fact that Garithos hates him and his people doesn't mean immediately that you can assume his entire race as slaves. But as serving the Alliance by the letter. If he forbid them to make their own types of buildings. Well, lets see... Then there would be usurpers among the Alliance and probably a "Rights-War". Something that Garithos doesn't need right now. So the Elven buildings should be left as it is to represent some moral freedom of the Blood Elven remnants.

Credit Issue:
If I gave credits to each user. I would even have to give credits to the users I don't even know where I got it from. Better giving them to site "names" as credits rather then spamming names. Because it would be longer then my description.

P.S: What are we ratting here? My map or credits?

 

[Heinvers]

My sweet short review

I. Gameplay Pretty enjoyable giving the fact that it's a modification to Blizzard's "Misconceptions". Lots of edits have been made to it, but it's still the same emotion with a more dynamic feeling to it. 4.8/5
II. Story Same as Blizzard's but adding a few side-ones in the form of optional quests, detailing some mini stories about the gnolls and Sonofjay's Ogres. 4.1/5
III. Originality I would say a bit of touch to it has been made.
You also added a second Hero, the Templar, a good combination of skills even though they are modified from basic ones. 4.3/5
IV. Systems Well it's a good thing that u added the /AVision and /AForce commands for players. Plus that u changed the behavior of the creeps. 4.7/5
V. Object Data It seems you got it just right for both races. 5/5

4.58/5

 

[PlankingWolf]

First of all, Kael'thas is not a slave, but a prince of his own people by Alliance right. The fact that Garithos hates him and his people doesn't mean immediately that you can assume his entire race as slaves. But as serving the Alliance by the letter. If he forbid them to make their own types of buildings. Well, lets see... Then there would be usurpers among the Alliance and probably a "Rights-War". Something that Garithos doesn't need right now. So the Elven buildings should be left as it is to represent some moral freedom of the Blood Elven remnants.

Credit Issue:
If I gave credits to each user. I would even have to give credits to the users I don't even know where I got it from. Better giving them to site "names" as credits rather then spamming names. Because it would be longer then my description.

P.S: What are we ratting here? My map or credits?

Okay, so the elves have their remnants of their good ol' buildings.
Still looks too fancy though.
Anyways, you have to give credits to each user. You don't need to credit the people that you don't know where it came from. Haven't you seen other maps? They have a box. In that box, when you open it, is a long list of credits.
Edit: Hell_Master was taking a look into this with me, and he also thinks that you should fix the credit issue.

 

[Pyraeus]

Well, in that case. If I can't remember some and don't have to add those I don't remember. Alrighty, done.

 

[PlankingWolf]

Well, in that case. If I can't remember some and don't have to add those I don't remember. Alrighty, done.

Uh... No, you HAVE to remember. Every map has to credit every user.
Did you even read the rules?
A FULL credits list:
Both in the Hive description & quest log in-game. What needs to be in the list? Name of the authors. (Optional: Name of the resource)
Edit: Also, every map you have has that problem.
Edit yet again: Please excuse me if there's something wrong with I said, and correct me.

 

[Pyraeus]

In most of my maps. I just give credits to the sites. Giving credits to all users is insane. None can remember. Also, even thousands of users don't follow that rule. They add the names in credits but not what they are credited for. Although it's pointless. I added who I could remember and who is no longer "deceased".

 

[PlankingWolf]

In most of my maps. I just give credits to the sites. Giving credits to all users is insane. None can remember. Also, even thousands of users don't follow that rule. They add the names in credits but not what they are credited for. Although it's pointless. I added who I could remember and who is no longer "deceased".

"Not what they are credit for" is optional.

 

[Orcnet]

Map approved.

 

[Chen]

I'm gunna play this since I'm a big fan your maps!

 

[CY The UnGodly]

Is the whole "units walking on water" thing fixed cause that's my problem there lol

 

[sonofjay]

I love my ogres. <3

Thanks for making me part of this awesome map. Hope you continues it.

 

[Ragnoras]

yess!!!!my ais included!time to play againat my own taste

 

[Edge45]

well well well,
another one, and I just noticed it, will check :3

 

[Pyraeus]

well well well,
another one, and I just noticed it, will check :3

It's actually an old one, but I updated it with my new ideas that I have yet to implement. In the last few days, I've been updating maps like crazy.

 

[Sunreaver]

This is a great map but I think the Goldmine ga isn't enought thats why I can't get additional troops because of running out of gold making too much towers for defenses. But at last we won too. The neutral creeps seem to be very weak.
5/5

 

[Ragnoras]

Good work Pyreas or Pyreaus or anything, can't spell your name, all these maps are perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Me play with my buddy, it's perfect, AI is also cool!(Er... i made it and whys it cool?)

 

[Edge45]

During my test, on Hard Mode, typically , I like it, enemy waves are stronger and annoys me a little because of my towers being destroyed :/, but its good enough for me, creeps are easier to kill too. 4/5

 

[Letgoit2]

There is something i miss from the proolog , i cant save game and load it with my friend or the /AVision or /AForce command dont work since Bnet says anable to find the comment :/

I mean your Orc 2 player campaigne

 

[Pyraeus]

There is something i miss from the proolog , i cant save game and load it with my friend or the /AVision or /AForce command dont work since Bnet says anable to find the comment :/

I mean your Orc 2 player campaigne

Then use GArena, rather then the original Battle.net. The game gives all the items you could of acquired from this chapter and gives it to your heroes in the next, or just places it on the Circle of Power. I will update my old 2Player: Exodus of the Horde just for the battle.net's issues with the command. As for AVision and AForce, you really do need GArena, because there are also more commands within the game I hid.

 

[Ragnoras]

naughty Pyreasus, you hid some commands? Well i tried it with my pla, like we always did, we won every 2 player campaign/

 

[Edge45]

You know, just a suggestions, a "suggestion"
Maybe add a naval force, the green undead has one, they will also attack, either AI or triggers, the purple undead will use sky barges, and also the player's force has also a naval force, try removing those goblin shipyards, but the players forces' shipyards can only be unlocked when the players have arrived at the central island, also,
maybe you should add another separate area where the humans can make it their area for base, so the two players can't have delays

This is just a suggestion, you can either do it or not it depends

 

[Pyraeus]

Undead attacking by sea is a bad idea. The player just establishes a base somewhere inland and the boats can't reach them. AI piles up mobs and errors happen. Sky Barges deliver the attackers across the sea. That has to be used and already is. Also, thank you for your suggestion, but let me explain one thing to you below.

I don't wanna add all my ideas in one map and then in the other ones be pointless of what to add. I want the players to have that experience as if they are unlocking something new with each map they play. The naval forces did come to my mind, but only for chapter two of the campaign. Now it's just beginner's build base and attack sort of deal. Hope you understand.

 

[Edge45]

Of course I understand, thats why I put "This is just a suggestion, you can either do it or not it depends"

 

[Pyraeus]

Of course I understand, thats why I put "This is just a suggestion, you can either do it or not it depends"

Yes, I do, and thank you for your suggestions. They mean the world to me, as ideas and inspiration. Gave you rep already and hope to hear more from you.

 

[Pokerface12]

make more maps with blood elf

 

[Pyraeus]

make more maps with blood elf

Easy to say, not easy to do... If I had a volunteer out there who was well polished as me, perhaps...

 

[gekomees]

Tried this in hard with a friend. Neither of us is really an expert but we'd like to think that we are at least decent. But we ran out of gold to mount another attack and lost. Maybe we could have won if we assaulted the gnoll base instead of bothering with green. However the worst part, not that there are many, of this map is the reworked upkeep system. It really is quite annoying having max 50 food and I think the upkeep system is in general the worst part of WC3. If that would be removed, I think hard difficulty would be fine. Especially if you compare it to the campaigns difficulties. Also, considering the length of this map, I the level cap should be lifted. But other than that, it was a great map.

I know this is an old map, long completed, but I just wanted to give my 2 cents.

 

[MooNFish13]

Nice for start)