2P Campaign: Sentinel 05

[Moderator]

19:30, 14th Jul 2011
-Kobas-:
Status: Approved

 

[McQvaBlood]

I would like to apologize for the immense amount of time that has passed between the release of chapter four and chapter five, but real-life commitments, such as taking my final exams, have greatly cut down the amount of time I was able to spend working on this project.

I also want to thank KhalanDuriant for the playtesting of this map and the others.

 

[Amauta]

thx man iam really enjoy that!!!!!! map!!!!!!!

 

[Misha]

wow.. kudos to your determination, man

 

[McQvaBlood]

TheSpoon has done almost three campaigns now, you should be congratulating him.

 

[TheSpoon]

Misha already has, you deserve that one yourself!
Keep it up and make it to the end!

The new additions you've made sound very exciting, I can't wait to try them.
As always, you have my full support.

 

[Skasian]

Possible Changes

• Compared to TheSpoon's maps and even your previous maps. It was very evident that there was a lack of item drops. In previous 2P campaigns we constantly found ourselves wondering which item to drop for that new loot that we just found. This map had many instances where you would deviate off the main track to kill a LVL10 monster only to find it drops nothing at all, with the net result of you losing a few units trying to kill it.
  
  Part of what makes warcraft 3's campaign so unique and enjoyable is the item system that keeps you wanting to get more and better equipment. This map had many dropped 'consumables' but few, "OMG that's a cool item" drops.
  
• The attacks needed to pack more of a punch. With 4 treant protectors I could hold off all of Illidan's attacks with just Malfurion alone. Made everything else I built so redundant.

Bugs:

• Why is there a whole LEFT portion of the map that shows up on the minimap but you cannot scroll to it?

Overall

• This map was the first out of all the 2P campaigns I've played where we actually got bored. The attacks seemed negligible (yes we were playing on NORMAL but for someone who has trouble controlling >3 units it was still too easy) and just increasing the number of NAGA present made little difference when Tyrande's ulti hits them all and kills large quantities of low quality enemies easily. (Also seemed dumb that she can run into the middle of 20 troops and no one would stun her while she sat there watching the stars).

 

[McQvaBlood]

First of all, a big thanks for these much needed reviews. I see the devotion in you that I have for TheSpoon's maps and that's a great thing. However, I ask you to post bugs and reviews in the hosted project forums found here. It is much easier to keep track of what I've fixed and what I changed if it is in one place. It would also eliminate the need for six seperate discussions and constantly repeating myself.

The left portion of the map is where the interlude plays. In the original campaign, it's a seperate map, however, as per TheSpoon's standards, it is integrated into this map and plays before the welcoming screen shows. That's why I needed the added extra space on the left of the map.
The difficulty problem is once again caused by Normal mode. I posted a suggestion on Sentinel 02. Please read it and add your ideas to thread I asked you to make.

As for creep behavior around Tyrande, I do not wish to punish the player for using Starfall. However, I'm open to any other suggestion that would raise the difficulty a little.

As for item drops, I never added extra items to the campaign, these are all Blizzard's item choices. (I did split tomes on one occasion, I toned down an Agility +2 to +1 and placed another +1 at another location.) Also, you may have noticed that TheSpoon's maps have no tomes whatsoever. That is why there are so many permanent items and therefore the need to drop and pick stuff constantly. However, I think I do compensate for this with the tome system that allows you to collect 5+ strength and agility and 10+ intelligence by the fifth map. (Which also applies for all heroes!)

 

[Demon_Hunter_DW]

There are 2 bugs for me
-The another player cant join when load
-On cinematic they talk all at same time

 

[Gismo359]

Can you post the code?
In case you mean saving/loading the map from the menu, then you cant change players. I think they have to have identical names.

For the second one, I think that happens when someone alt + tabs out of the game during the cinematic. If you have some addon to the game it may be causing it, too (I am not really sure about this one).

 

[CrazyClaw]

С другом уже месяц не можем пройти на insane с артефактами
Почему нет возможности сделать общие войска?

 

[Celicni]

Just in case someone's having problems with not being able to load, here's my "fixed" version of this map, it removes the intro cutscene but the rest of the stuff works.

2P_Sentinel_05_v1.01.w3x

Edit: And I figured out how to upload it to hive because zippyshare will probably delete it at some point:

2P Campaign: Sentinel 05

Edit#2: Someone told me other links are broken. Zippyshare one is but I can still download from hive. Here's a google drive link, that hopefully won't be taken down soon.
2P_Sentinel_05_v1.01.w3x

 

[Daffa]

Saving and Loading saved files are broken. Tried on 1.28.5. Will report if the fix at above post actually works.

 

[TommyGun]

Both links for fixed version are dead, can someone reoplad map once again? Thanks!

 

[Gismo359]

I believe @Celicni's fix was for a crash that happened just after the beginning cinematic, which has already been fixed in the official version (without having to remove the cinematic).

 

[TommyGun]

@Gismo359, I'm not so sure - I still believe it's a problem which many people face during playing Chapter 5. The problem is that after you save a game and wanted to load it after - second player cannot join with info that file/save is different/corrupted. The thing is that on Insane difficulty this mission is really hard to beat as one mistake and you start from the scratch, in this case save file is super useful. You could check next @Celinci topics regarding this issue:
Balancing the scales
McQvaBlood
P.S. Tried yesterday to delete different parts from intro - save/load start working, but 'Insane' difficulty doesn't work any more (I'm also not an expert in W3Editor, so probably I deleted some needed part). Would appreciate any help!

 

[Gismo359]

The problem is that after you save a game and wanted to load it after - second player cannot join with info that file/save is different/corrupted.

Ah, I see. I was referring to a different problem. I'll give that one a look in a couple of days when I have a bit more time and see if I cant find a permanent solution.

 

[Celicni]

I believe @Celicni's fix was for a crash that happened just after the beginning cinematic, which has already been fixed in the official version (without having to remove the cinematic).

Nope, it's specifically for the loading issue.

I uploaded the fix to google drive. I am confused though since I can still download it from hive, what was the other guy's issue with downloading?

 

[Gismo359]

Nope, it's specifically for the loading issue.

I uploaded the fix to google drive. I am confused though since I can still download it from hive, what was the other guy's issue with downloading?

Thanks for updating the link. I'll take a look at it tomorrow, in case it wasn't related to the previous crashes.

Edit: The old link is probably set to private since it says I dont have permission to view it.
Edit 2: Yeah, it seems to have been the same problem. Although, there have been some crashes in the newer patches that some people get consistently, but I can't reproduce
Also, @TommyGun, sorry for the very late response I tried it on LAN again but it seems to load just fine

 

[Redbody]

Have you guys fixed the save/load issue ? , it's really hard in Insane without them

 

[vadimic6]

Вы сами пробовали пройти большую сложность? Непроходимо
Have you tried to pass a big difficulty yourself? Impassable