Heavy Bandit

Kyrbi0 · Dec 7, 2016

I really like this concept; fleshing out sub-races (i.e. Bandits) is always a good thing in my opinion. I also really like the way you've chosen a different head & done the "Zul'jin-scarf" thing; noice.

While I don't love the hammer (just, like, why a hammer?), it does scream "Heavy", and it's whatever. However, the big Akama pauldron has just got to be reworked... The color scheme actually seems to fit, actually, but it's floating awkwardly in the air above his actual TC shoulder, and just sorta hangs there. It's also rather tall.

JesusHipster · Dec 7, 2016

It's a cool little model. He does look heavier indeed. Right now needs a proper working portrait and a fix in decay animation. Try to enhance it a bit further from the standard bandit because right now it falls under a "substandard" category. Maybe try to change his weapon and shield and make that shoulderpad team-colored (and two-sided).

Ripper7 · Dec 7, 2016

What I want to do is something like the space marines of Warhammer 40k Dawn of War. AND THE AKAMA PAULDRONS ARE IN THE AIR IN THE ORIGINAL MODEL!!!

Kyrbi0 said:
I really like this concept; fleshing out sub-races (i.e. Bandits) is always a good thing in my opinion. I also really like the way you've chosen a different head & done the "Zul'jin-scarf" thing; noice.

While I don't love the hammer (just, like, why a hammer?), it does scream "Heavy", and it's whatever. However, the big Akama pauldron has just got to be reworked... The color scheme actually seems to fit, actually, but it's floating awkwardly in the air above his actual TC shoulder, and just sorta hangs there. It's also rather tall.

Kyrbi0 · Dec 7, 2016

Ripper7 said:
AND THE AKAMA PAULDRONS ARE IN THE AIR IN THE ORIGINAL MODEL!!!

Really? Well, while it may or may not look good in-game, I think many agree that not everything Blizzard did is solid-gold perfect. Fixing their mistakes can only be a good thing. ; P

Zaljinzoo · Dec 7, 2016

Might I suggest possibly looking into the Pit Lord shoulder pad and Faceless One mace for some alternative ideas? Just my two cents.

Otherwise, very neat concept and I'd def like to see some sort of lil' series like this. ^^

Kyrbi0 · Dec 8, 2016

Zaljinzoo said:
Might I suggest possibly looking into the Pit Lord shoulder pad and Faceless One mace for some alternative ideas? Just my two cents.

Otherwise, very neat concept and I'd def like to see some sort of lil' series like this. ^^

Ooh, I really like that.

Rubellu Sidus · Dec 8, 2016

I have to be honest, the model is good, but I haven't seen anything special on it. Things you can do:
- Set the texture of Akama Shoulder to TwoSided
- Put some Team Glow (if you wanna make this Heavy Bandit some sort of Hero or Special Unit)
- Decrease the size of hammer and improve its shape

Jaina Proudless · Dec 8, 2016

This "better armor" looks the same as the normal expect with an extra pauldron and without a helmet. Head is more important to defend than the shoulder so actually this armor, judging by looks only, this is lighter and worse than the armor of a normal bandit.

Eagle XI · Dec 8, 2016

whats up with that floating pauldron ? get it down on him

Homor · Dec 9, 2016

The Akama pauldron should be teamed color.

Homor · Dec 9, 2016

I liked the hammer better /:

But if more people like the sword, I can't truly complain. It's a very nice model.

Kyrbi0 · Dec 9, 2016

I liked the hammer slightly better... But I really liked the other suggestion, the Faceless One spiked mace. That, or a heavy cudgel/maul seems like a fitting weapon for a bandit.

It's definitely better now. I'm not a massive fan of the dragon-skull pauldron on a lowly bandit, personally, but it's definitely 'heavy'. The modded Akama pauldron's TC is nice (though you can see through it at some angles?... Might just be a viewer error).

Good to see modelers improving their works.

Misha · Dec 10, 2016

shoulders are lill over-sized.. that could be reduced

Rence Kristoff · Dec 10, 2016

Misha said:
shoulders are lill over-sized

It is a heavy bandit after all.
A young little bandit, dressed in the style of Warcraft 3's bandits, the skull part of the shoulders doesn't fit it though,
The mask was a nice addition, as well as that part of the shoulder where it looks like Akama's.
Looking at it at the model viewer here shows that it's a little see-through and when the decay bone animation is played, the shoulders, head, and sword are seen floating. I might change this comment once I see it in game.
The sword is nice enough, base model was a perfect choice for this.
Pretty Good model for me :thumbs_up:

Misha · Dec 10, 2016

Rence Kristoff said:
It is a heavy bandit after all.
A young little bandit, dressed in the style of Warcraft 3's bandits, the skull part of the shoulders doesn't fit it though,
The mask was a nice addition, as well as that part of the shoulder where it looks like Akama's.
Looking at it at the model viewer here shows that it's a little see-through and when the decay bone animation is played, the shoulders, head, and sword are seen floating. I might change this comment once I see it in game.
The sword is nice enough, base model was a perfect choice for this.
Pretty Good model for me

hm.. did you notice how the back of the skull an the back of the pauldron keep rubbing into the guy's skull? granted, its not exactly clipping, but the model would look much better if there was some space in between, and that can be if either the skull/pauldrons are shrunk a little, or moved away from the head, so they stop having the guy's head in a press.

Rence Kristoff · Dec 10, 2016

Yes, like I can notice the original shoulders still visible.
Is it just me, or is this file size too much?
And can't it be done with in-game textures?

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The portrait could go lower, and the neck seems to be floating when I see it talk, nothing big really, good news is that

I said:
when the decay bone animation is played, the shoulders, head, and sword are seen floating.

isn't happening in game.

JesusHipster · Dec 10, 2016

You don't need custom textures for this. Can't see right now what exactly you used it for. But if it's about the shoulderpad you could just use modulate filtration with standard texture. Also fix the glitch with it in his portrait. Set to needs fix. Also - the filesize is indeed too much:c

hypsandar · Dec 15, 2016

Sadly this model isn't working for me like many others, rarely a model ends up working.. I don't know why..

Rence Kristoff · Dec 15, 2016

hypsandar said:
Sadly this model isn't working for me like many others, rarely a model ends up working.. I don't know why..

Did you import the texture too, and did you set the path?

hypsandar · Dec 15, 2016

Rence Kristoff said:
Did you import the texture too, and did you set the path?

I don't think that's the issue, some models are made out of w3 textures so I don't need to import them but they still don't seem to work.

Rence Kristoff · Dec 15, 2016

Yes, but for this model, I tried importing it, it worked, didn't import it, it didn't work, the same went for me when I used models with textures, even if it's in-game.

hypsandar · Dec 15, 2016

Rence Kristoff said:
Yes, but for this model, I tried importing it, it worked, didn't import it, it didn't work, the same went for me when I used models with textures, even if it's in-game.

Is the texture .blp? Because I don't see any other files besides .mdx and .blp which are 2 files with the same name but one for the portrait and the other one for the model.

Rence Kristoff · Dec 15, 2016

those two .blp are the same, you only need one, open the read me so you can see what to do with those.

hypsandar · Dec 15, 2016

Rence Kristoff said:
those two .blp are the same, you only need one, open the read me so you can see what to do with those.

Not sure.. This is all the read me file:

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Heavy Bandit
Submitted by Ripper7

Uploaded on 2016-12-07

Tags: Unit, Blood Elf, Creep, High Elf, Human

Filesize: 460.61 KB

Last edited on 2016-12-12

Heavy Bandit
Filesize: 283.58 KB

Filenames: HeavyBanditNew.mdx, DranaiAkama.blp

Paths:

DranaiAkama.blp

Portrait
Filesize: 177.03 KB

Filenames: HeavyBanditNew_portrait.mdx, DranaiAkama.blp

Paths:

DranaiAkama.blp"

Rence Kristoff · Dec 15, 2016

Yeah, so after you import the blp change it's path to that DranaiAkama.blp , import one only, then try it.

hypsandar · Dec 15, 2016

Rence Kristoff said:
Yeah, so after you import the blp change it's path to that DranaiAkama.blp , import one only, then try it.

I did it, the model isn't working. I'm importing this model on the bandit Enforcer unit.

Rence Kristoff · Dec 15, 2016

IDK what to do anymore, here is what I did (I'm assuming this is what you did)
Import DranaiAkama.blp, HeavyBanditNew_portrait.mdx, HeavyBanditNew.mdx. I removed the war3mapImported\ part for all of them.
Then I'm done.

hypsandar · Dec 15, 2016

Rence Kristoff said:
IDK what to do anymore, here is what I did (I'm assuming this is what you did)
Import DranaiAkama.blp, HeavyBanditNew_portrait.mdx, HeavyBanditNew.mdx. I removed the war3mapImported\ part for all of them.
Then I'm done.

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Yeah, its what I did as well. But its not working for me... Thanks for trying to help me out though. Appreciated.

Ripper7 · Dec 15, 2016

hypsandar said:
Sadly this model isn't working for me like many others, rarely a model ends up working.. I don't know why..

Just remove the "war3imported /" and ready.

Ripper7 · Dec 15, 2016

hypsandar said:
Yeah, its what I did as well. But its not working for me... Thanks for trying to help me out though. Appreciated.

Can you pass me a Screenshot?

HappyCockroach · Feb 9, 2017

Well, all the issues JesusHipster mentioned remain present. Did you change the model upon update?

The use of a custom texture here is unjustified. A waste of KB.
The skull bracer has a bit too much contrast to fit the rest. You have better skull textures in the MPQ.
The team-colored bracer has some normals glitched.

Since changes weren't made, sent to Substandard. If you want to have it re-moderated after sorting out those issues, you may contact me.

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