Castle Defence

Moderator · Sep 17, 2013

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Castle Defence (Tested Version 1.02)

Rate	Score	Percent	Letter
	5/5	91-100	A

Rate	Score	Percent	Letter
	4/5	81-90%	B

Rate	Score	Percent	Letter
	3/5	75-80%	C

Rate	Score	Percent	Letter
	2/5	70-74%	D

Rate	Score	Percent	Letter
	1/5	50-69%	F

Overview:

Gameplay

"The map is quite unique due to being a defense only suitable for a single player which an ongoing trend nowadays require teams to help each other, everything seems to go in pace and well executed."

Terrain

"Terrain is great especially when you can really interact with the trees by actually seeing the tree's name and all."

Management

"Overall map can be useful."

Total Score: (Gameplay[x/5] + Terrain[x/5] + Management[x/5] / Total Score[15] * 50 + 50)

Rate	Score	Percent	Letter
	9/15	80%	C

Rheiko · Sep 17, 2013

from the screenshot it's a nice and decent terrain!
good work!
Review will catch up later

Castle Defence Review

Gameplay:
It's really a survival game, i should say this map is fun but you are lacks of description on the unit's abilities, for example: building site (mini), (tiny), (little) without a description. if you add a description to it, people can easier to know what they are used for.
your walls and towers is Walkable, make it really awesome. but to upgrade them, you need your unit to work on them, in my opinion it's a bit annoying but that's fine
the weather change is really cool, it kinda feels like a real world. but the time passes really quick, maybe you can slow it down for a bit.
About the Gold Mine, it's pretty far to gather gold from gold mine and back to your town hall.
Off-Topic: My Worker have been killed before reach the town hall ;_;

Terrain:
the Terrain is nice and pretty decent, keep it up!

Suggestions:
Add a custom abilities for your hero, it's pretty boring to see that your hero cast the same spell like usual melee maps
and give more information about ingame description
also spelling mistakes

Overall:
This is a good survival map with nice terrain and features
I rate it 4/5 and +REP

Have a nice day/night
If you have any question about this review, contact me through VM/PM

Radicool · Sep 17, 2013

A lot of things are not clear in your map. This makes it very unfriendly to any newcomers to your game.

There are no tips to start the player off. No explanation of how to get lumber. No descriptions on what the houses do. I could upgrade a house, not knowing what it does. Also there was no upgrade description. I did find it strange that the first raid was on the gold mine. I think a better difficult curb is needed. The peasents structures had no description, so I had no idea what any of them did. Also, the "Work on a Building ability". What the hell does that do? Then again your grammar was lacking in a lot of abilities. No capital letters, full stops, etc.

Cool idea for a game. Defending against enemies in a customizable castle with a vast amount of strategy involved. Good idea, it just needs a bit of polishing before it's ready.

MassiveMaster · Sep 17, 2013

Thx you very much for reviews and suggestions, really helpfull. :thumbs_up:

I totally forgot about the descriptions. :grin:

I'll try to make it easier to understand the game mechanics for newcomers to the map and will work on the spells.
The waves come from random directions so you can't just block one path or something, but I'll make the first wave come from the front to make it less difficult right at the start.
Concerning the long way to the goldmine: That should force you to place watchers/guards and then retreat behind the walls when a wave is coming from behind the castle. But I'll think about how to make that better.

Rheiko · Sep 17, 2013

maybe you should make a timer for each wave?

MassiveMaster · Sep 17, 2013

I didn't made a visible timer as I wanted the waves to be more unforeseeable. It just doesn't fell realistic that you know when exactly raiders will come to your castle to plunder it. :wink:

So they come from random directions and even slightly different times and the player has to react to it by manning the walls, calling in the peasants, etc. That's kind of the idea of the map. :grin:

Rheiko · Sep 17, 2013

yup, that's right. nice idea, and realistic :smile:

Xonok · Sep 17, 2013

I like the idea of this map, but atm some things are bothering me:
Manning the walls seems a bit clumsy(I dunno what to do about it).
The weather is overwhelming, especially fog.
After some point the walls suddenly got higher, causing the units to not be visible on them anymore.

MassiveMaster · Sep 18, 2013

Thx for the short review. :thumbs_up:

Xonok said:
Manning the walls seems a bit clumsy(I dunno what to do about it).

That's the bad wc3 pathing. Smaller paths with a width of 1-2 pathing-pixels (like for the stairs) are often not recognized correctly it seems, especially if further away. :ogre_frown:

Only if you first send a unit to the beginning of such a narrow path (like the bottom of a stair) the unit will recognize the narrow path correctly and walk on the wall correctly with the next order. Maybe I can enhance that with scripting, but that won't be easy...

Xonok said:
The weather is overwhelming, especially fog.

Yea the weather effect is kinda supposed to be very intensive. The idea is that you can really see less when the weather is on heavy fog etc. I think that creates a nice atmosphere. But I'll try to enhance the weather system (like smoother transitions when changing) and mabye toning down everything a bit.

Xonok said:
After some point the walls suddenly got higher, causing the units to not be visible on them anymore.

That's definitely a bug (wall units weren't replaced correctly). Were it just some walls or all walls (and also the towers?) and do you know what happend at that point of time? Was a wall partly or completely destroyed or was a wall constructed or rebuilt? Every hint makes it easier for me to find the bug. :wink:

But in any case I'll look if I can recreate and solve the bug.

Xonok · Sep 23, 2013

MassiveMaster said:
Thx for the short review.

That's the bad wc3 pathing. Smaller paths with a width of 1-2 pathing-pixels (like for the stairs) are often not recognized correctly it seems, especially if further away.
Only if you first send a unit to the beginning of such a narrow path (like the bottom of a stair) the unit will recognize the narrow path correctly and walk on the wall correctly with the next order. Maybe I can enhance that with scripting, but that won't be easy...

Yea the weather effect is kinda supposed to be very intensive. The idea is that you can really see less when the weather is on heavy fog etc. I think that creates a nice atmosphere. But I'll try to enhance the weather system (like smoother transitions when changing) and mabye toning down everything a bit.

That's definitely a bug (wall units weren't replaced correctly). Were it just some walls or all walls (and also the towers?) and do you know what happend at that point of time? Was a wall partly or completely destroyed or was a wall constructed or rebuilt? Every hint makes it easier for me to find the bug.
But in any case I'll look if I can recreate and solve the bug.

It was all walls and maybe towers too.
I did try fixing one of the broken walls earlier, but I didn't manage to gather enough workers(1 worker alone won't do any progress?), so I just left a worker there.

MassiveMaster · Sep 23, 2013

Xonok said:
It was all walls and maybe towers too.
I did try fixing one of the broken walls earlier, but I didn't manage to gather enough workers(1 worker alone won't do any progress?), so I just left a worker there.

Ok thanks, then the bug was probably caused by the terrain adjustment. I now had to deactivate the terrain adjustment because the problems that came alongside it got just to heavy (irreversible memory leak and and lag peaks at every adjustment that seem to be connected to the amount of doodads on the map...). I couldn't recreate the bug with deactivated terrain adjustment, so I hope that is solved now. :grin:

About the workers: Lightly broken walls (still walkable) just need one worker. Only the heavy broken walls (with only the basement left) need two workers (like newly build walls do) as they are supposed to be rebuild nearly completely. :wink:

taavidude · Sep 29, 2013

can i play it with bots?

Rheiko · Sep 29, 2013

nope
you can't
this is a single player map

Orcnet · Nov 15, 2013

Map approved, see moderator comment on top.

fr14nd1 · Nov 16, 2013

Just tried your map, and it was good.
My question: Why don't you add timer for each wave?

MassiveMaster · Nov 17, 2013

fr14nd1 said:
Just tried your map, and it was good.
My question: Why don't you add timer for each wave?

I think I already answered that :wink:

:

MassiveMaster said:
I didn't made a visible timer as I wanted the waves to be more unforeseeable. It just doesn't fell realistic that you know when exactly raiders will come to your castle to plunder it.
So they come from random directions and even slightly different times and the player has to react to it by manning the walls, calling in the peasants, etc. That's kind of the idea of the map.

But thanks for trying out the map. :thumbs_up:

fr14nd1 · Nov 21, 2013

Okay, thanks for the answer :thumbs_up:

So, your main point of the map is to make a quick decision with every attack?

MassiveMaster · Nov 23, 2013

Yes and encouraging the player to place guards/scouts at the different sides of the castle and build walls so that the enemy can be hold back long enough until the players main forces arrive.
Thats kind of how real castles work. They were build to give shelter to the nearby population in the event of enemy raids/attacks and hold them back until the liege lords or allied troops arrived to lift the siege.

fr14nd1 · Nov 30, 2013

MassiveMaster said:
Yes and encouraging the player to place guards/scouts at the different sides of the castle and build walls so that the enemy can be hold back long enough until the players main forces arrive.
Thats kind of how real castles work. They were build to give shelter to the nearby population in the event of enemy raids/attacks and hold them back until the liege lords or allied troops arrived to lift the siege.

Nice job on ~~making~~ using that idea.
BTW, there are crates in one of the castle walls, right?
Oh, forgot to tell, 4/5 and +Rep

HOooDy · Nov 30, 2013

Too hard too make goldmines.

Paillan · Dec 31, 2013

The map isn't working and/or opening at war3 editor to me. Any ideas?. When I tried opening in war3 editor it crashed when loading doodads. maybe that can help.

MassiveMaster · Jan 7, 2014

Paillan said:
The map isn't working and/or opening at war3 editor to me. Any ideas?. When I tried opening in war3 editor it crashed when loading doodads. maybe that can help.

Yeah, that's probably the high res trees. Try to set the texture settings to high and maybe other settings as well before opening it.

Paillan · Jan 7, 2014

MassiveMaster said:
Yeah, that's probably the high res trees. Try to set the texture settings to high and maybe other settings as well before opening it.

Okey thanks. But how do I do that?

MassiveMaster · Jan 14, 2014

Paillan said:
Okey thanks. But how do I do that?

You open your editor (without opening the map). Then go into the data tab and click preferences (or something like that). There under the grafics tab you can change your settings. As default it uses the same settings as your Warcraft3, so you should also be able to change it there. After that you should hopefully be able to open the map. :grin:

Paillan · Jan 14, 2014

I played and I can say, holy walls this map is difficult...

MassiveMaster · Jan 23, 2014

Paillan said:
I played and I can say, holy walls this map is difficult...

Yea it's probably not that well balanced. Though personally I rather like hard games than very easy, casual games. :grin:

But if you have any advise on what should be changed I'd really appreciate that of course.

Paillan · Jan 24, 2014

make a damn ranged unit that is strong againts bones but not so resistant, because frikin dragons destroy me.
Also I somehow won the game becaue the enemies didn't attack my main building. What was that? xD

MassiveMaster · Jan 27, 2014

Thx a lot for feedback :thumbs_up:

Yeah dragons are meant to be the hardest enemies. :grin:

But I will look into adding better possibilities to defeat dragons in the next version.

:xxd:

That's because not all units have an attack that can target buildings (like dragons :wink:

). Will think about that.

Streak · Apr 17, 2014

it was such a good map i was finding a map like this in the other day and cannot find a type of castle defence like this with a model 5/5

Ilztas · Aug 10, 2014

Strangely, I can't seem to get this map to actually play. It loads up to about 60% and stops every time.

MassiveMaster · Aug 11, 2014

Ilztas said:
Strangely, I can't seem to get this map to actually play. It loads up to about 60% and stops every time.

I downloaded and tested it and it worked without any problems for me...
Do you have your graphic settings etc. on maximum? Otherwise I can't really help you, as I don't know what it could be, sorry. :vw_sad:

Tal'Rarity · Apr 11, 2015

How does this system work? Like I can't get it to work at all, towers connect automatically to a wall and leave a giant gap with the other wall, init placement seems broken as well.

MassiveMaster · Apr 13, 2015

Dat-C3 said:
How does this system work? Like I can't get it to work at all, towers connect automatically to a wall and leave a giant gap with the other wall, init placement seems broken as well.

To put it (kinda) simple: For a new placed wall/tower segment it checks if there are adjoining segments of fitting type (no tower next to another tower etc.), placing (distance + angle -> no gap allowed) and facing. Then according on possible adjoining segments the best fitting variant + facing is chosen (eg. inner edge variant if adjoining walls in east and north that face north-east). When the segments construction is finished its pathing (realized via an invisible walkable destructable with fitting custom pathing map) and the pathings of adjoining segments are adjusted so units can walk between them (but not get of the edge of a wall without stairs for example).
And then there is a bunch of other stuff that controlls construction, the different damage variants, terrain heights, reconstruction etc.

So it's intended that a wall placed next to a tower auto connects to it but if there is a gap between wall segments they won't be connected. But as you might have already recognized the system is very complex making it very prone to bugs and unexpected setups... :ogre_frown:

So did you have these problems while testing my Castle Defence map? Maybe you can attach some screenshots to better visualize what exactly didn't work / what you tried to do. Then I could probably also better explain on that how the system is supposed to work. :ogre_haosis:

Tal'Rarity · Apr 14, 2015

Well me and a friend kept connecting them and made sure they were really close yet it moved to one side still and wasn't connected anymore with a gap as well there.

I'll see about some screenshots soon.

deepstrasz · Oct 11, 2017

Not sure how to build walls and building upgrades, tried both workers left clicking, using construct but nothing really happened.
Some of the hero's ability descriptions mention 0 values. The Paladin unit's Holy Light does not mention any value.

BrothForMyPeople · Nov 28, 2017

Am I in dream? I didn't know Warcraft 3 can have moveable walls. I've felt like playing Stronghold games.

Still kinda bugged though

Velrog · Mar 11, 2018

Thanks for leaving the map unprotected. This is gonna be huge help with the triggers for the map i'm trying to make.

horneastefan · Mar 30, 2019

wonderfull.

Valexto · Jun 12, 2019

I'd like to know how to make a wall walkable, it's been a while that i try to figure out how to create one

SNIper of DARKness · Sep 23, 2019

Great map, especially good for you as it showcases the potential of your fortifications.

Herod · Feb 14, 2020

Very cool map, the units, the scenario, the meat wagons throwing zombies, very cool lol.
But I think the buildings should be easy to build and archers on restauraded walls should has a % to avoid a enemy attack. 5/5

Barade · Oct 26, 2024

I really like the concept and models of this map.

Some things which bothered me when playing it once:

A Palisade ladder at the Palisade wall at the Gold Mine leads to the gold workers taking it instead of the gate which slows down gathering gold.
To me it was not clear if I should have build a town hall next to the gold mine and defend it to gather gold faster.
The whole repair/construction system is a bit hard to handle and building areas might be hard to select from the top view is a wall is next to them. Maybe add a spell which gets idle workers and architects automatically to finish the construction/repair. This would be REALLY helpful.
No upgrades to make units or buildings stronger. It's basically building more units and buildings, making the castle bigger and bigger but not making units stronger.
No items? Did I miss them?
Difficulty became a bit hard for beginners. After my hero has level 4 I lost so many units against mortars and then the next wave destroyed me. Maybe allow playing it on Easy and multiple difficulties.
More content: Unit types, upgrades, items, placing traps/goblin land mines (maybe I missed them).
Coop mode? At least one ally could be added with either another castle or handling the same castle together.

----------	MassiveMaster Presents	----------
	Castle Defence 1.04 Created by MassiveMaster Map Info: Rebuild a fort at the outer borders of the kingdom and defend it against any threats. Build walkable walls and towers and arm them with diferent types of warriors to defend your castle against waves of enemies. Survive for 10 days to win the game. Resources (gold and lumber) have to be gathered from outside your castle. So always watch out for your workers or they get easily slaughtered by enemy raiders. Your walls and towers are the best defence against the overwhelming size of enemy waves. Try to keep your fortifications closed without any breaches and avoid open battles with the enemy whenever possible. Features: Walkable walls and towers Partly destroyable and rebuildable fortifications Custom armor and weapon types Growing size and difficulty of partly randomized enemy waves No chance to survive without a working castle defence Dynamic weather system Screenshots: View at the castle from the goldmine: View from the castle's village square: View at the castle from an edge tower: View at the castle's main entrance: Change Log: Changed: Initial version Changed: Added and reworked descriptions and tooltips Added custom spells Added new unit types Changes/Additions to the wave system Rewrote and improved weather system and toned it down Added smaller doodads to the terrain Several smaller changes/fixes Changed: Added walkable palisade walls and fitting ladders Replaced stone walls and big tower with alternate model versions Stone fortifications require now an upgraded base to be built Several smaller changes/fixes Changed: Added drum tower, palisade gate and barracks Improved systems and made them easier portable New humen units (Pikeman, Mortar Team, Mage) and abilities Added enemy humen waves Animated the tree models and added some new custom models Some tweaking to the damage/armour settings Reworked some of the existing units and abilities Several smaller changes/fixes Credits: Nasrudin (Willow trees) Born²Modificate (Other trees) Mr. Bob (Barracks) Tranquil (Pikeman and Paladin) Author's notes: This is kind of an advanced presentation map for the included fortification systems. I added some basic castle defence gameplay mechanics so you can see it in action. The map is unprotected and all systems and the whole map is free to use as long as you give proper credits. There are in-editor commentaries on how to use the fortification systems. Should you have problems opening the map try to increase your graphic settings. If you have any questions, bugs, etc. please write me a PM.

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