Modeling/Texturing Contest, Teams of 2

[Red]

Pretty straightforward idea, but I had no idea what to file it under, so here it is.

Very few modelers have the skill or time to make textures for their custom models, and teamwork is never allowed, so we get stuck with the same in-game textures getting recycled over and over again.

So Mr. Bob and I thought, why not have a modeling/texturing contest with teams of 2 - one modeler, one skinner?

The only downside I can think of is that teamwork generally tends to be a bitch, even in small teams of 2, and I wouldn't be surprised if such a contest would have very few completed entries, but who knows? Maybe I'm wrong?

Thoughts?

 

[Mr. Bob]

We should have done this a long time ago.

 

[anarchianbedlam]

I WILL JOIN THIS BITCH! I WILL MAKE LOVE TO THIS CONTEST!

kickass idea, i agree with bob, this idea is looooong overdue.

EDIT: hrmm... would we classify this as a different contest type? like... "Team contest: Model/Texture"? that way we could have other team contests in the future, like "skin/iconset" or "model/herobuilder" this could be the start of some awesome new contest combinations

 

[Deolrin]

If I could find a team-mate, I would definitely join.
And yeah btw, I had that idea too.

I suggest doing what they did in WC3C for their Hero Contests - one thread for getting people(and the first post will have all the people and teams, those who are looking for people etc in a table) and one thread for submissions, WIPs and discussion.

 

[leet.firefox]

I second this motion.

 

[PROXY]

ME WANTS TO JOIN

...I love the idea I would diffently join if I find a partner

 

[D a w n]

lovely idea

 

[Stanakin]

I'd join.

Will this contest have a theme?

 

[M0rbid]

I would join, too, sounds awesome to me ..

 

[Deleted member 177737]

I'd join 2 =/

 

[Pyritie]

reminds me of that old "hive olympics" that never got off the ground

 

[Deolrin]

Only that this thing will actually work.

I mean the managed to do an Artist\Coder team contest, no wait, THREE Artist\Coder team contests on WC3C.... ON WC3C. That half-dead site, you know, with the MUCH less people than the Hive?

 

[Devine]

What about people who can do both?

 

[Deolrin]

Then they'll do either one.

 

[Squidle]

Hmm, this sounds so awesome. I think I will not be able to participate, but I would love to see the results.
Two minds, one creation. Epic.

 

[Pyritie]

I mean the managed to do an Artist\Coder team contest, no wait, THREE Artist\Coder team contests on WC3C.... ON WC3C. That half-dead site, you know, with the MUCH less people than the Hive?

Though the people on wc3c that are active are very active.

 

[D a w n]

hive olympics just failed, because there was too much wotrk to do. I mean: 3 models in 1 month?? D:
But this contest wouldn't fail, because you can usually create a good mesh in a week without any problem and the skinner wuld still have around 3 weeks left for the texture.

And there are always extentions

 

[tee.dubs]

This scares me. If one of the two happens to pull out the other is screwed over, and people pull out. It sounds good in theory, and is definitely worth a try, but it still gives me chills to think that someone could spend hours to days working on something spectacular only to have it go to waste on a poor complimenting piece, or to have it never see the light of day because of another person's laziness/personal commitments (splitting hairs for most internet users). If anyone can reassure me i would be more than happy to withdraw my criticisms.

 

[anarchianbedlam]

your "criticisms" as you call them are valid points, but that is inevitable with working in any kind of team.... everyone has to pull their own weight in any kind of team.

My concern is that all the great skinners and great modelers are going to team up to create something fucking incredible. While the less experienced modelers might get stuck with the less experienced skinners....

In this way, the skill gap will be even larger.

And to go back to Devine's comment, I think that it would make sense if it would be an optional team contest. IF a user is confident in his/her skinning and modeling abilities, why not let them do both? If they want to, one user could make a custom model and skin to go with it. I dont see anything wrong with that. Or if they can do both, they can still team up with someone else if they feel more comfortable in one area.

 

[M0rbid]

But wouldn't this destroy the idea of a team or cooperation contest again?

Anyways, I agree on the other aspect of imbalancing the whole contest idea. One solution, that I personally maybe dislike would be: Making a list of modellers and a list of texturer that agreed to participate and then the teams will be chosen randomly. However this idea has some major flaws in it I think.

 

[Stanakin]

One solution, that I personally maybe dislike would be: Making a list of modellers and a list of texturer that agreed to participate and then the teams will be chosen randomly. However this idea has some major flaws in it I think.

I'm not sure I'd still join if this is the way we do it. Mainly because of two reasons: I might be put in a team with a modeller who likes to make models which require textures I do not wish to make. (I might have to make a gory zombie texture, for example, which I hate.) And perhaps more importantly, I might be put in a team with someone who'd rather have had another texturer.

I think we'd have more participants and more finished entries if we can choose a team-mate who we feel comfortable with.

 

[M0rbid]

Yeah, that's my opinion too, just wanted to give this idea, so that there's another possible way, even if I dislike it, with the same reasons as you told!

 

[67chrome]

This sounds cool. I'd so join this.

The theme should be relatively open-ended for something like this though. Something like the night elf race; encompassing the elves, chimeras, giants, treants, anceints, faerie dragons, dryads, demons, vengeful spirits, etc. Something were everyone could find something they'd like to do

 

[anarchianbedlam]

lol, and by everyone you mean you and elenai

ugh, elves wouldn't be an "open ended theme"

We should use the "warcraft race" theme or "fantasy hero" theme that almost won in that last modeling contest poll. Both of those themes are incredibly open ended and would really pump out some great submissions

 

[HappyTauren]

[11-48-29] HappyTauren: I say we do that bitch

 

[Arowanna]

This is a lovely idea, I couldn't agree more with that.
But as stated above, the less experienced in both texturing and modelling wouldn't have chance.
Just imagine 67chrome and General Frank (or two other great skinners/modellers, there’s many) working together. Sure, you guys would do something awesome, but the less experienced would give up when they realize that they can't win.

However, this doesn’t have to be such a bad thing, ‘cause beginners that really like what they are doing will try even harder to make better meshes and textures. But the half-slacky people wouldn’t stay for long

Edit
Happy, yor picture from lolhax ain't working D:

 

[M0rbid]

Just look at skinning or modelling competitions, all users take part no matter if they have a chance to win.
For example texturing contest #17 I took part knowing I would not have a chance to really compete, but made it for fun and practice. And many users do it like this I assume. SO I see no problem in that.
And it's not like there were only two or three teams of awesome ressource makers around here.

 

[anarchianbedlam]

This could also be a good chance to build friendships, lol, not to sound cliche. But teamwork builds better relationships. This could lead to more models with custom textures outside of contests too.

 

[leet.firefox]

Stop sounding cliche.

 

[HappyTauren]

Cliche or not, he is right, cooperation is what made ike and me a team many times.

 

[Cavman]

I support this idea. And I don't think the random pairing would be to bad as long as the two members can comunicate with each other well enough.

 

[Hjorleif]

I personally think doing the "warcraft race" theme would benefit us more. I personally enjoy making custom races that have the same race within it, if you know what I mean. No orc/troll/tauren, just orc, just troll and just tauren. So, I think that theme would work best. It's just how I feel. =]

 

[Red]

In a perfect world, random pairing would be a great idea, but sadly, there's just too many things that could go wrong with that in addition to the pitfalls we already have in a team contest.

As far as theme goes, we should keep it sweet, simple and broad. I'd say just do: a hero for any of the playable races. Lots of room for creativity, while still maintaining a standard to judge all the entries against one another, i.e won't have to compare team A's building against team B's flying unit.

 

[Deolrin]

Yeah. A hero for the Alliance, Horde, Night Elf Sentinels or Undead Scourge would be an awesome theme. Reminds me of WC3C's(now old) Hero Contest 2(I think it was the second one).

 

[skrab]

I support this idea because I suck at texturing. I would like this to be a mini contest (with a small theme). Or a big contest, for example, a custom Wc3 hero (a hero that actually fits to Wc3 universe not some future space shit) or something like that.

the pairs hmm yeah we all could sign in and let some computer randomly chose you a partner. But then what happens if your pair gives up?

 

[anarchianbedlam]

Choosing your partner would be better in that IF your partner chooses to give up, then you have no one to blame but yourself for choosing him/her. It would be much more unfair if you were randomly given a partner who gave up.

And again, i also think we should allow singles if they want to do both.

And a wc3 hero contest theme would be perfect

 

[Pyramidhe@d]

how will the reward be distributed then? if a model wins with sheer awesomeness of its texture but has a really shite anim or mesh, isnt it unfair?
dont get me wrong because i love the idea of co-op but i am just stating a possibility.

also, people who have the slightest chance of giving up half way shouldnt even put themselves available for the competition.

 

[anarchianbedlam]

Well, since this is a cooperative contest, its either both contestants win or neither do. That's the point. So if it has a 100% awesome skin but a 0% shit model then it gets an averaged 50% altogether.

I dont know if you guys want to split the reputation reward or have each winner get the full 50rep etc. though

 

[Mr. Bob]

Yes, pyra, that's a good point. Unlike the regular modeling contests, we do not want massive amounts of people to join. Just people who are committed to actually finishing. We need to make sure everyone is aware of this.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

I'd join.

 

[HailFireer]

I'm sure that having a partner would (me for example) make people finish their models/skins. I wouldn't want to disappoint my teammate.

I'm join, but my lack of animation experience would probably lead to ruin, so idk who would be crazy to team up with me.

 

[HappyCockroach]

I'd totally join it!

I think the most fun part would be the concept creation, since brainstorming would be 2 times more efficient
And the amount of work would be fairly balanced:
3D and 2D artists brainstorm -> 2D artist creates a concept art -> 3D artist creates a mesh and a wrap -> 2D artist creates a texture -> 3D artist gives it animations
awesome !!!1111

 

[PROXY]

I'd totally join it!

I think the most fun part would be the concept creation, since brainstorming would be 2 times more efficient
And the amount of work would be fairly balanced:
3D and 2D artists brainstorm -> 2D artist creates a concept art -> 3D artist creates a mesh and a wrap -> 2D artist creates a texture -> 3D artist gives it animations
awesome !!!1111

Totally agree