Ghan_04: Good, just see if you can reduce the amount of leaks and map size.

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Well no one has an opinion?

GREAT!!!!! AWESOME !!!! EXELLENT!!!!! I LIKE IT A LLLOOOTTTTT make second part pls

Hey thx I will be making one ^^ Btw i don't know who rated me so low, but this is highly unfair. I doubt that person even watched my cinematic...I mean there is NO way that a work that has so much effort put into it has a 4.73. I've seen things made in 5 mins rated higher so give me a break -_-

ahhd damn i forgot to rate ... here you go 10/10

Thx a lot dude ... it makes me happy

10/10 Amazing first film. Love the camera angles and the camera smoothness; keep going.

Looks good, approved. Just two things.
1. Your map has leaks. To improve it, see if you can get rid of them.
2. Your file size is huge! You might try seeing if you can reduce that to a friendlier amount.

1.)It was my first cine, so i didn't know how to improve the leaks at the time, i'll figure it out. But i don't think it's that important in a cine, as it doesn't give me any lag.

2.) Yeah it's huge, but i really have no idea how to make it small while maintaining a good quality for music :s

great cine, i can see that you put alot of work into this 10/10

Omfg! This is one of the best cinematics i ever seen. I hope you make more. 10/10

Thx a lot for the comments! Seems everyone liked it a lot. I will be making a second one, and i hope i'll manage to get more views this time

I didnt think it was very good. You had good cameras, but the rest (Storyline, fights, ect) was bad, exept the muisic...

Sorry, but thats just what I think =/..

Hey HeroToDLstuff thx for you comment. I respect your opinion, and as my first negative comment i'd like to know more, since this could help me improve.

Could you develop on how my 'storyline, fights etc..' was bad? I'd like to hear more, although i do have an idea of what you mean.

Duude! VERY cool cinematic. I disagree with hereto, I think just about everything about this was AWESOME, except for a couple of overhead shots during the death.

Thx Belgarath! I'm glad you liked it
Hereto does have some valid points, my story could be better develloped, but this time i'm spending a lot more time on writing and re writing the script. I'm lucky to have the help of two talented people from the story forum who advised me on how to raise the bar for my narration.
Although, i too disagree when he says that 'the rest was bad' because IMO, that's not an accurate description (and would need more arguments when everyone else seemed to give me very positive feedback)

LordHunter: Im really just spoiled because I watch MUCH better cinematics. Like the fight, they stand there and wack each other really fast and warp around and some other stuff. But like i said, thats becaus im compareing it to really good cinematics....

Some things:
1: The "blood" as a outlands tile to me didnt look very much like blood... makeing a custom tile might work better.
2: Storyline was un-original, theres allways a evil illadin running around killing people and a goody bloodmage, as well as him having a feeling he wasnt really dead.

Sorry for undiscriptive commen before. What I ment was the fight and action ect wasnt really good, or any speciall effects, as well as not too good storyline.

Im going to rewatch it and add abit more to this.

Heres some of the ones I like better, however not quite what I was comparing to this...

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/resources_new/maps/4802/
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/resources_new/maps/6248/
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/resources_new/maps/6241/
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/resources_new/maps/5364/
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/resources_new/maps/4636/

EDIT: They are just now starting to fight. They do normal attack over and over. He teleports away. Neither of them show any sighn of being hurt or even remotey disturbed by the little jig they did.. ;p

He teleports back, and casts somthing that I could make just editing the impale ability, besides the undeaed building death effect at the end, with is one simple effect created by a trigger..

Then the blood mage casts your typical flame spell (allthough this must be harder to trigger, I dont think I could do it) however the illadin guy just sits there and lets him cast it.. then they go back to just normal attack. Then instead of illadin chaseing him, illadin does it a way slower way by blinking.. Then in slow motion it shows the illadin guy sliceing him, however the way the animation is it looks like he gives him a haircut. xD


Annnnd back to normal attack. Blah..


Too be better, they should keep casting more original exiting spells and spend less time doing plain attack, the fight would have been more entertaining...


I dont know why I ddint really like it that much, but it just didnt seem that great to me.. =(

HertoDLstuff:
I think it's really cute how you emphasize much
SO the only cinematic you could find to compare to mine were either : a) winning cinematic contestes, or b) made by users who have been making cinematics for the past 3-4 years.
I personally find it very flaterring that after a mere 3 weeks of WE i manage to be compared to the best that has been made in the last 5 years. Imagine me if i had the same time with the WE as the creators of the links you gave, or if i had a team making me custom models, making trrains for me. But no, i worked completely alone, and with 4 weeks of experience.

You say my story is bad. Do you make the same comments to cinematics that have no story what so ever? Or cine that are 2min long? How about the link in the stroy where a grp of ppl walks in a dark area, all get killed by 'teh undead' and that's it. Do you not think that stroy has been done a million times? But did you post in that cine to say so?
I personally don't find FX massing entertaining. I liked my variation: you had normal attacks (althougha bit too much, i agrre on that), some slow mo (or hair cutting, but you didn't see to mind it that much in another cine where the same chara was doing the same thing...), and some gigantic spells. There is room to improve, certainly. It's funny you mention my cara stands still when the BM is doing his attack. Well maybe he's tired from his previous failed spell? Maybe he's surpirsied and didn't know what to do? Or maybe he's so badass he know that spell won;t kill him, and it's not even worth dodging. Yet in another of your links a similar situation happens, a dude is shooting some motionless guys and they just die. Did you also post thre to say how that made their whole cine bad?

You also pay very little attention to music/sounds. In most cine's theyre was either no music, or unfitting music. You barely give me any credit for haveing my music perfectly match the actions, and also be very fitting to the momement, and a great variety too.

You focus and individual aspects of my cine, and emphasize how bad they are, yet you fail to see the 'whole picture', as in they're soo many elements and they're all tied up in one nice package (sounds, music, terrain, battle, drama, suspense = entertainment).

Thank you for your detailed review of my battle, and for your links. I will use your feedback to improve my next cine even more. Besides, you can't please everyone... and you seem the only one to actually dislike it

"I think it's really cute how you emphasize much "
Im only doing that because You made it sound like thats what you wanted.

"I personally find it very flaterring that after a mere 3 weeks of WE i manage to be compared to the best that has been made in the last 5 years."

As I said, "Im really just spoiled because I watch better cinematics."

IMO, the other aspects have to make up for lack of storyline, as yours did not, your storyline bothers me.

Second, I would like to point out that I do not think its a bad cinematic, I just dont like it. I like differnt types of cinematics. Thats part of the reason I harped on the same things so much, because I couldnt really explain why I didnt like it that much, So I kept pointing out the only things I could think of.

Please tell if theres somthing in your post I didnt awnser..

As you said youself "Heres some of the ones I like better" and "I like differnt types of cinematics" meaning it all boils down to opinions.
The style of cinematics you like are comedies/parodies and 1 min 'action' but not long drama/action. So it's obvious you would have an initial bias against my cine.

What i don't like are the double standards you apply. Some of the criticism you hold against me can be perfectly applied to te links you gave me, but you seem to completely disregard them in those cinematics.

My only fault would be that I din't participate in a cinematic competition, am not a famous name in war3 cine's, or that i don't have the advantage of a team/5 years of We behind me.

Let's do something funny, go in the maps section, and download all the cinematics you find in the first pages. That would help you put things into perspective, as comparing me to only the best is not at all in my advantage. (even if imo some of the cine in your links don't surpass mine)

No. I didnt like to those to show what a good cinematic is like. I liked them better becaus of storyline and acually voice acting, as I said ", however not what I was comparing to this..."

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT: Your cinematic was NOT bad, I do NOT hate it that much, I was just trying to help you make it better.

To be fair, 3 out of 5 cine's you linked me did NOT have voice acting
1 had no story line whatsoever.

Nevertheless, you do have some valid point, and i will take them into consideration, to further improve my cine's.

Out of curiosity did you download any other cine's in the first pages of the map section?

I normaly do not download cinematics unless they are, like you said, winners of a contest, because to me they allways seem much worse. I found yours through your signature and saw comments saying it was good..

And yes, they might not have voice acting, but there are various things in them wich make me like them, even though they arent all better in the ways I was saying I dislike this. I also like "comedies/parodies" like you said.

Well, this map is really nice. You might be an Expert ;D but at all you should know - I'm a Beginner!

It's okay to be a beginner dingo, i'm one too - and modding is a hard and cold place for us

U own big!!!!

Well, music was very good. But fight was very boring. Just autoattack again and again. Check out Infrane's and Anitarf's Spirit of Vengeance or TheGreatNoob's cinematics. They are reflecting's each attack's and it looks more real then boring mass hitting...

Great cinematic! You just should improve melee fighting (it looks quite boring when they're just hitting each other) and you could also use something else than outland dirt as blood But other than that, 9/10.

I enjoyed a lot your cinematic, it was very good!!
the effects are excelents!
only one thing to change: the same that say the others, change the fight´s movements to make them more interesting.
PDo the second part!!!

is there coming a part 2 too?

How Long did it take to make this?

With all those get replies, im going to download it, hope its evil!

I didn't really like it.

4/10

I can see you put some work in this and some things have become really good (the music for example), but overall... well. I just didn't like it.

There are many things you could critizise:

1. storyline

- Since I'm a German I don't really like all the allusions to Hitler.
- I guess this should be more a trailer than a complete cinematic, because it didn't show really much I would consider a story and there was no "real ending".
- I really hate the overuse of Illidan as "the evil one" and some hammerdins / bloodmages as "the good ones".

2. terraining

- I liked the castle, but the raided city and forests looked bad to me, due to low tile variation especially in the forest. IMO they are also not really detailed, the properties sometimes just sucked (blizzard-standards).
- Overuse of shrub which caused lag on my old PC. oO
- The lake / coast at the end was bad, due to both low tile variation and too high terrain. The whole thing seemed to be walkable.
- Good idea using barren tiles as blood, but it didn't look real to me (it was overlapped by gras, too).

3. camera

- Pretty good, but sometimes you couldn't see anything cause of Illidans wings.
- You didn't take attention of the fact that objects disappear at the horizon.

4. music

- Pretty good, too. Okay, most of them are from famous films. Most times they were placed really good. (btw: the ending music doesn't finish)
- Takes faaaar too much filesize.
- You could hear blizzards standard-music through the whole cinematic. Annoying. It had also been played while some of the custom musics were played.

5. Animations / effects

- IMO simply... sorry... crap. They most times neither fit nor were good. Autoattack sucks, too.
- IMO Boring effects and spells.

6. Bugs / miscellaneous

- Simply too much. I've counted 5 I think (sry, but I can just recall 2 and I'm not going to watch this cinematic again)... for example some of the footmen who have been following Illidan at the beginning didn't take the right place. 4 of them gathered up at just one position.
- At the end (when they were returning to the castle) some footmen ran out of the formation.
- The ending music suddenly ends without being finished.
- 15MB filesize is far too much for a cinematic which should be playable in B.Net (IIRC 4MB is the maximum).



PS: Next time you make a cinematic please insert a way to end it (e.g. by pressing [ESC]).

Originally posted by Rektis
- Since I'm a German I don't really like all the allusions to Hitler.

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Find ich auch :/ Die Zeiten waren schlimm also sinnlose Anspielungen kann man auch lassen...

In English:
I Agree :/ Time was bad there so you don't need senseless allusions...

Call him leader or something else, but please, not Führer...

3 things, first i think some parts of the text are either too long, or the time to read is to short, second, the units in the city form some kind of a strange circle which doesn't really fit a military organisation, and third, i think it is a well made cinematic

sorry for reviving an old thread but i dont see any link to the map, i also cant see some other links to maps in other threads, anyone know whats wrong?