火影忍者羁绊 6.6

Moderator · Mar 29, 2016

15:02, 30th Mar 2016
Shadow Fury: Map rejected, and you perfectly know why since this is the fourth time you repeat the same mistake.

Shar Dundred · Mar 30, 2016

The size of that map... It's close to being as big as my three uploaded campaigns combined - and the map is even optimized, don't want to know how big it was before.

Anyway, please change the map title into english. IS the map even in english?

Edit: Nevermind, just checked. There's either no text at all (I assume that there IS chinese text that isn't displayed to me ingame), very bad english or Chinese (I actually used Google to see what language this is) in the loading screen.
Also, this is supposed to be multiplayer, right? At the moment, there's no way to play this in multiplayer - despite the map being optimized.

edo494 · Mar 30, 2016

there is a map limit remover, actually multiple on hive which all work on battlenet

other points are spot on tho

Shar Dundred · Mar 30, 2016

Just remembered, I forgot something:

Rheiko · Mar 30, 2016

I've played this map several times before, it's quite fun. But since it doesn't go with the Map Submission Rules, I also vote for rejection.

Holymind · Mar 30, 2016

This map is translated into English. Even though the name is Chinese. The content is in English.

Also: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/tools-560/warcraft-iii-bypass-map-file-size-limit-ver-6-a-259571/

Shar Dundred · Mar 30, 2016

Many text files are simply missing, that doesn't count as "translated".

Holymind · Mar 31, 2016

Shar Dundred said:
Many text files are simply missing, that doesn't count as "translated".

Go ahead, keep hating on Anime maps.

Shar Dundred · Mar 31, 2016

As long as you continue violating the Submission Rules, your maps will keep being rejected, like they did in the past few years.

Rheiko · Mar 31, 2016

Holymind said:
Go ahead, keep hating on Anime maps.

It's not a matter of wheter one hates anime or not. Your map violated the map submission rules, that's the only reason it got rejected. Look at Valkemiere's Battlestadium D.O.N map, even though it's an anime map, we have it approved in database. Think about it.

Holymind · Mar 31, 2016

Rheiko said:
It's not a matter of wheter one hates anime or not. Your map violated the map submission rules, that's the only reason it got rejected. Look at Valkemiere's Battlestadium D.O.N map, even though it's an anime map, we have it approved in database. Think about it.

But you know, there must be a reason that there are so few anime maps on hive.

HappyTauren · Mar 31, 2016

Holymind said:
But you know, there must be a reason that there are so few anime maps on hive.

Most people who make anime maps are kids who are bad at mapmaking.
Most people who make anime models are kids who are bad at modelling.
Most people who watch cringey animey kind of anime are bad at everything because they are 12 year olds and haven't hit puberty yet. Or worse, they are 20+ years of age and still stuck up watching bad quality anime.

Shadow Fury · Mar 31, 2016

Holymind said:
But you know, there must be a reason that there are so few anime maps on hive.

This is mostly because anime map-makers frequently use ripped resources which are forbidden. I guess yours also uses ripped models.

Squiggy · Mar 31, 2016

HappyTauren said:
Or worse, they are 20+ years of age and still stuck up watching bad quality anime.

Thankfully I watch all my anime series in HD~

TKF · Mar 31, 2016

Originally posted by [URL="http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/rules-information-710/map-submission-rules-228244/]Map Submission Rules[/URL]

Ripped resources from other games are not allowed to be used, unless they are from another Blizzard Entertainment game or if their license permits the use in maps (proper proof for this use must be put in the description).

That includes models from other games, this site is avoiding any potencial copyright issues from other game companies.

Hiveworkshop is careful as this could potentially cause lawsuits.

Holymind · Apr 1, 2016

HappyTauren said:
Most people who make anime maps are kids who are bad at mapmaking.
Most people who make anime models are kids who are bad at modelling.
Most people who watch cringey animey kind of anime are bad at everything because they are 12 year olds and haven't hit puberty yet. Or worse, they are 20+ years of age and still stuck up watching bad quality anime.

Beware, a hater has come out of the closet.

Fyi, I only play high quality anime maps with high quality models, and there are plenty of them. Like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAonEVfI0-E

Shadow Fury said:
This is mostly because anime map-makers frequently use ripped resources which are forbidden. I guess yours also uses ripped models.

The prejudice is real on hive, and you give me infractions based on guesses. This is probably how things work for anime map uploaders on hive.

TKF said:
That includes models from other games, this site is avoiding any potencial copyright issues from other game companies.

Hiveworkshop is careful as this could potentially cause lawsuits.

What does that have to do with my upload?

Shadow Fury · Apr 1, 2016

Totally no guesses. Your map breaks without any doubt the rules (English only). The part of the ripped resources is just a high probability, but not the main reason. Give me the link to the site from where you got the models if you think yours are not ripped models.

Holymind · Apr 1, 2016

Shadow Fury said:
Totally no guesses. Your map breaks without any doubt the rules (English only). The part of the ripped resources is just a high probability, but not the main reason. Give me the link to the site from where you got the models if you think yours are not ripped models.

I didn't make the map. The author made the models himself.

"High probability?" Is that all the proof you can muster? Just 2 words? How about you tell me which game the author copied the models from if you think he ripped the models? What link? If you want high quality models you gota make them yourself you know. If you can't, well, too bad then. The author spent a huge amount of time making the models.

Shar Dundred · Apr 1, 2016

You know, if you're unable to read and follow the Map Submission Rules, you're always free to post this map that's not yours - violation of another submission rule, I'd like to add here - on any other WarCraft 3 site.

Shadow Fury · Apr 1, 2016

Holymind said:
I didn't make the map. The author made the models himself.

Now I have further evidence to reject the map. You need to get the permission from this original author to upload his map here.

Holymind said:
"High probability?" Is that all the proof you can muster? Just 2 words? How about you tell me which game the author copied the models from if you think he ripped the models? What link? If you want high quality models you gota make them yourself you know. If you can't, well, too bad then. The author spent a huge amount of time making the models.

You don't seem to understand what's going on. The main reason for rejection is that your map is not in English. All tooltips show nothing, quest log is complete void, the name of the map is in Chinese, loading screen as well etc... all that indicates that your map is non-English.
However, since you're insisting a lot on me saying that ripped models are only a probability, I guess you'd not have any problems proving me wrong by showing me from where you got them. Otherwise, they are surely ripped models, because they're either illegally ripped by the user or posted on a foreign website without respecting the copyright laws. We do not want to risk infringing such laws.
You need to understand that we are not against you or anime maps in general. We have rules, and we follow them. If you do not, your map gets rejected, either anime or non-anime. Easy as pie, but I don't know why you're overcomplicating it. Just translate everything into English, provide evidence that the original author gave you the permission to upload his map here, show me the models used in the map are not ripped and I'll be more than happy to review your map and most probably approve it with a high rating. It's not that hard, really. Instead of wasting time grumbling about the immutable, try to do something for the map.

Holymind said:
The prejudice is real on hive, and you give me infractions based on guesses. This is probably how things work for anime map uploaders on hive.

Please read meticulously what I wrote in the infraction message. I'll reword myself anyway: this is the fourth time you break the map submission rules after three fully-justified rejections. You didn't seem to understand the gravity of your actions, so I had to proceed with an infraction. Anyone can be subject to infraction if he/she breaks constantly the rules, not only anime map-makers, so I did not reserve any special treatment for you just because you uploaded an anime map. Just don't accuse me of deeds I did not commit.

Holymind · Apr 1, 2016

Shadow Fury said:
I guess you'd not have any problems proving me wrong by showing me from where you got them. Otherwise, they are surely ripped models, because they're either illegally ripped by the user or posted on a foreign website without respecting the copyright laws. We do not want to risk infringing such laws.

You still haven't given proof that the models are ripped. Guilty until proven innocent huh? I guess you ask every map maker to show where he got his models from, even if he made them himself.

Shar Dundred · Apr 1, 2016

Yes, that is absolutely true. For a good reason too.

Rheiko · Apr 1, 2016

Holymind said:
You still haven't given proof that the models are ripped. Guilty until proven innocent huh? I guess you ask every map maker to show where he got his models from, even if he made them himself.

And you haven't given proof that the models are ripped. Not that it actually matters because you already gave enough reason for us to reject your map.

HappyTauren said:
Most people who make anime maps are kids who are bad at mapmaking.
Most people who make anime models are kids who are bad at modelling.
Most people who watch cringey animey kind of anime are bad at everything because they are 12 year olds and haven't hit puberty yet. Or worse, they are 20+ years of age and still stuck up watching bad quality anime.

HD ftw.

Shadow Fury · Apr 2, 2016

Do you even read my posts?
Your map has been rejected mainly for these two reasons:

1- It is not in English
2- You don't have the permission from the original author to upload his map here

That's it.

MasterHaosis · Apr 2, 2016

Shadow Fury, like talking to brick wall. He wont listen.

Roland · Apr 2, 2016

This Holymind won't listen to any advises till he gets infracted for good. you better read the rules before uploading a map, This isn't Epicwar, If you want to have your kiddy map showed in public go upload somewhere else not here in the hive-workshop cause hive-workshop maps here are Quality perfected.. not some Ripped ugly anime models that they really think they're pro on making maps..

Holymind · Apr 3, 2016

Roland said:
This Holymind won't listen to any advises till he gets infracted for good. you better read the rules before uploading a map, This isn't Epicwar, If you want to have your kiddy map showed in public go upload somewhere else not here in the hive-workshop cause hive-workshop maps here are Quality perfected.. not some Ripped ugly anime models that they really think they're pro on making maps..

hmm.. Hive-workshop maps are for adults, hive-workshop maps are Quality perfected, Hive-workshop maps are not for maps based on ugly anime, anime maps all have ripped models. Got the rules, thank you.

Squiggy · Apr 3, 2016

Holymind said:
hmm.. Hive-workshop maps are for adults, hive-workshop maps are Quality perfected, Hive-workshop maps are not for maps based on ugly anime, anime maps all have ripped models. Got the rules, thank you.

Not really, no.
The maps offered here are being maintained and updated by the owners and creators.
The amount of work we put in is exceedingly higher than cheap rip-off maps so I daresay we are allowed to define rules that match a certain level of quality.

Furthermore, anime models suck.
All of them.
Anime is not meant to be downgraded to low quality polygon triangles and cubes, no; it should stay as-is.
However, as you have seen, hive also offers some of those so we're not completely against them, plus it's common knowledge that mappers dealing with lowquality maps (yours is obviously one of them as you didn't even bother traslating the tooltips) are that lazy and just take those models without crediting the original authors or asking them.
Rules are also meant to motivate users to improve their map(s).
I have been working for eight years on mine and I can still improve it; be it implementing new features, optimizing the coding or whatever.

So no, it's not up to the moderators to prove the models are actually NOT ripped.
It's your upload so you are responsible for it.
Your brickwall attitude pisses me off.

Holymind · Apr 3, 2016

Squiggy said:
Not really, no.
The maps offered here are being maintained and updated by the owners and creators.
The amount of work we put in is exceedingly higher than cheap rip-off maps so I daresay we are allowed to define rules that match a certain level of quality.

Furthermore, anime models suck.
All of them.
Anime is not meant to be downgraded to low quality polygon triangles and cubes, no; it should stay as-is.
However, as you have seen, hive also offers some of those so we're not completely against them, plus it's common knowledge that mappers dealing with lowquality maps (yours is obviously one of them as you didn't even bother traslating the tooltips) are that lazy and just take those models without crediting the original authors or asking them.
Rules are also meant to motivate users to improve their map(s).
I have been working for eight years on mine and I can still improve it; be it implementing new features, optimizing the coding or whatever.

So no, it's not up to the moderators to prove the models are actually NOT ripped.
It's your upload so you are responsible for it.
Your brickwall attitude pisses me off.

Nope, the anime model/map makers on Hive suck, all of them.
Clearly you haven't seen more than 5 anime models. Even the models you posted are better than any of the 10 years old models from warcraft 3 which are crap according to today's standards. Hiveworkshop is filled with maps with those crappy models. I didn't touch the map I uploaded since I don't know how to edit maps. But the qualities of the anime maps I played are so top notch that they are enough to keep me from playing any of the maps on hive. You guys should get on sites other than hive sometimes. It'll open you up to a whole new world of warcraft 3.

What "So no?" You can't prove that you didn't do something. If you say someone has committed a crime you have to present proof. Your logic pisses me off.

Rheiko · Apr 3, 2016

Nope, the anime model/map makers on Hive suck, all of them.

Nah, Valk's great.

Hiveworkshop is filled with maps with those crappy models.

Nah, not really.

I didn't touch the map I uploaded since I don't know how to edit maps.

Then you shouldn't upload a map that doesn't belong to you. Share it anywhere else, epicwar for example.

But the qualities of the anime maps I played are so top notch that they are enough to keep me from playing any of the maps on hive.

I doubt it, they are crappier instead.

You guys should get on sites other than hive sometimes. It'll open you up to a whole new world of warcraft 3.

We actually do.

What "So no?" You can't prove that you didn't do something. If you say someone has committed a crime you have to present proof. Your logic pisses me off.

We didn't but instead, we suspected you. Since you are under suspicion, you are the one who should present an evidence whether the models of your map is a total ripped off or not.

But it doesn't matter anymore. I hope someone will do something about this guy and this thread.

Squiggy · Apr 3, 2016

Jesus christ.
You got cornered by your own stubbornness and now you're being way too upset about this.
This is a platform to also let you learn about wc3 modding.
Your first step SHOULD be to take that offer, either by reading tutorials or trial n error; opening up worldedit and click around.
Instead, you've been going crazy about a rejection of a map you haven't created or edited for days - for little to no gain.
I have maybe seen only a few crap Naruto models (which is okay since Naruto is a shit anime) and other abominations but as opposed to you, at least I linked examples.
Overgeneralization? Maybe - but I am free to have my own opinion.

You, on the other hand, are just claiming wild assumptions and you even go to the length saying that the maps you play exceed hive's quality standards - yet, where are they?
Why hasn't anyone bothered to make those maps accessible to English-speaking people?
Hive is my home to modding warcraft and I have no reason to go elsewhere as everything I need is available on this platform.
Lastly, this is not a courthouse.
The "in dubio pro reo" you're aiming for does only exist to a degree.
Hive has a ruleset and users are to follow them.
Have a link -> http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/rules-information-710/map-submission-rules-228244/
You may have overlooked that maps must be English language.

English only:
In-game text and Hive description. The grammar and spelling must be adequate.

That map isn't and this is enough for it to be rejected.
That's logic and if this is pissing you off... I honestly don't understand.

MasterHaosis · Apr 3, 2016

Squiggy. Yes. This is the problem just what you said.
This is what we have been discussing for days in chat. This type of people like him and Sunreaver whose annoyed many people by ignoring links of tutorial, asking requests for years, ignoring people for years, posting craps in site.....

fladdermasken · Apr 3, 2016

Alright, I'm closing this sausage fest. If you actually want to appeal this, you need to calm down, smarten up a bit and open a thread in Staff Contact. If you actually want it uploaded and not just trade blows with people, prepare a solid case and show us that it's legitimate.

Holymind said:
What "So no?" You can't prove that you didn't do something. If you say someone has committed a crime you have to present proof. Your logic pisses me off.

As Squiggy said, in dubio pro reo doesn't apply here. The server is personally owned by the webmaster and he can decide freely which resources he wants to host on it. Ergo he, and by extension the staff he personally appoints, reserves the right to reject assets that don't comply with the rules he's laid out. Even under suspicion.

This isn't a court of law, and it's not your human right to have your resources hosted on a privately owned server space. You're not in court, you're in somebody else's living room with shit on your shoes saying they can't ask you to take them off if they can't prove that it maintains a higher than allowed shit/leather ratio.

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