Zombie survival

[Moderator]

21:01, 29th Jul 2010
ap0calypse: Approved

Yet another zombie map (unfortunately), yet this time it seems more fun than usual.

Review: Post #34.

Other (older) review: Post #15.

 

[dragor-X]

Seems fun! Zombie maps are the most popular... and are the most fun to create in World Editor... Don't know why !?!?!

 

[Zeatherann]

Thanks, zombies map ARE fun to make, and realy easy, hard part is what model to use? the zombie model is overused so i went with ghoul, the next used one.

 

[JimStenberg]

a really nice map.

But, I must say some things: (I was cheating yes)
- the "Marines" have the Mountain kings names. is this planed?
- the super Item tooltip doesn't display speed boost.

Very Opptional
-I suggests you hide the zombies on the minimap adding a slight difficulty.
--Stats - Hide Minimap Display TRUE
-add some variants to the attacking zombies.

 

[Zeatherann]

OK JimStenberg nice helpful comment, tells me what could be down how you liked it ect (not like "this is lame" or "i lvoe it").
The names sorta fit, sorta forgot, but i can and will update map with what you said after this post, i know how to hide things from MM (done it quite a lot) but very useful telling how just in case
For the diff zombies you mean in power and model or just model? and gold reward?
-Thanks

Edit: DANG MAN, nice reconation on the names, not many would've got that. hehe
Edit: Normal Blizz items don't show increase in movespeed, and there was no need to change the item effect.
Edit (again): Oh you mean the Scope of Attack? yea it does, 15% gotta look for it :X

 

[JimStenberg]

With different zombies I meant in model, but all things you mention is good (power, model, gold reward). anything that contribute to the variety increase the game-play feeling.

Edit: you might even do a random colour (about 75%-100%) on the units that is spawned.

Edit: I believe the hive can offer
--Forsaken Deathgaurd
--GhoulMurloc
--Power Lich

Edit: I played the updated map and I see that you don't need any more model. Very nice 5/5 + approval

 

[Zeatherann]

Thanks Jim, i'll lookingot the custom models you linked to, i might just have to add you to credits aswell

PS: what you mean color? a tint value? Like in Death Sheep?

-Thanks

 

[JimStenberg]

what you mean color?

I was thinking of:

• Animation - Change (Last created unit)'s vertex coloring to ((Random real number between 75.00 and 100.00)%, (Random real number between 75.00 and 100.00)%, (Random real number between 75.00 and 100.00)%) with 0.00% transparency

But never mind, it's not very noticeable anyway.

 

[Zeatherann]

LOL you tried it? not bad, saves me a save lol, but it was a nice thing to suggest

 

[Aesthetics]

This isn't really fun, just shoot, abilities, and buy items.

Rating: 2/5 (Lacking)

Voted for Rejection.

 

[Zeatherann]

Thanks for your post Aesthetics, too bad you feel it lacks, i do too hehe, that's why im trying to constantly update it, if you could suggest what to add it'll help development go faster, also check out the new version.

-Thanks

 

[Ironside]

What to add? an improved description would do nice, this one is very very lacking.

 

[Zeatherann]

K changed discription. Also changed the hero XP system.

 

[krisserz]

Features:

Fix this BBCode, close it, or remove.

 

[reason 3]

This review is made by reason 3, if you have any questions or anything else to comment feel free to Private Message me.You may also ask me to review your map again.

One of the endless zombie map, nothing to make unique except the custom UI and the models.

[+]Spells seemed ok, altough too common, you could probably use some custom icons for them too.
[+]Small map size file, which is good as it makes gamer easier to be played in Bnet.
[+]You have a nice description, informing player about all aspects of game play.A few screenshots added would also help!
[-]Map is unbalanced, i just bought 6 removable armors and made me invicible, i could kill most of the creeps with ease.But after a few waves game became too hard, creeps could own me too easy.
[-]Map started suddenly, i didn't even knew where to go or what to do when i saw creeps attacking me.You could wait some seconds then start spawning the creeps.Give players some time to read the tooltips of their spells or have a look at the items.
[-]Your terrain is lacking, you only have small terrain deformations blight and blight and some more blight.You also have mass towers in your base.You have to improve the look of it...
[-]I was defeated in the end of the game before the cinematic was over..fix this.

Overall rating:2/5

I would suggest you to add custom spells to your heroes, something with more effects of the classical "BAM" style cause it certainly matches your game style.
~ r3

 

[Zeatherann]

ok thanks for the tag error
and as for the review, great it told me exactly what to do!
- the unbalanced-ness: i have 1 question, did you solo it? this is ment to be a team game, at least untill i can get an AI.
- Thanks for the 'sudden start' thing, i'll fix that
- What would you suggest for terrain?
- The cini never ends it's suppost to defeat you before it's over, but i think a timing error is that it does so before the last text dissapears (note: you can end with esc any time)
- Will add screenies (can someone PM me how to? never done it before and i can't figure it out :X)
-Thanks

 

[reason 3]

No problem at all
I played the game both solo and multiplayer and i still noticed the same problem.
You add screenshots with the IMG tags.
And about cinematic yeah..you should wait for it to end and then defeat players.
And about terrain...i don't know be creative!I'm not a great terrainer myself

 

[Zeatherann]

haha, i fixed terrain, i think, also for the images the IMG tag, do i need my inage hosted of what? still kinnda THW noob , also the game is suppost to be hard but i (solo) can almost do it, i get to like round 40. Now if i had some help i might win, but i'll lower the mobs upgrade % by a bit.
-Thanks

 

[reason 3]

Well there is the Pastebin.There you can upload everything.
You can also insert the http of your image in IMG tags and upload it.

No problem, waiting to see it updated!

 

[ACdestinydream]

*face slams on table* ANOTHER ZOMB???? NO BETTER IDEAS?

 

[Zeatherann]

Lol, they are fun to make and cause there are quite a few it means that for any more to be good they have to be unique in some way, i'm trying to add those factors, also if the map's bad let me know and tell me what should be fixed/changed.
-Thanks

This edit was done to avoid double-posting. If anyone can tell me why the mini-map image is not the imported one i would be gratful.

 

[needAname]

sounds really fun and hard

 

[gerf]

Hm... zombie now popular... but not all can this theme correctly create one. 4/5. Not bad.

Vote: Need fix!

 

[Zeatherann]

hmm Gerf, could you explain more upon what needs to be fixed and what doesn't fit the theme?

 

[reason 3]

When are you gonna update the map?!

 

[Zeatherann]

If I had suggestions of what to do and any/all code fixes I'll gladly update ASAP. Currently this map has gone inactive for the time being. I'm working on Wilderness Survival 2, a take off KhullGyphon's original map. Also making an edit on Blizzard's War Chasers to include better code/systems and 8 new heroes, all of which I think is either a custom skin or model. Same goes for Castle Warz.

If you want I can work with this map, it's small so it'll be easy.

 

[WherewolfTherewolf]

Great.... another zombie map?

Well review coming soon

 

[TerranDominion]

zombies are fun

 

[Zeatherann]

You're the 3rd person to say that WherewolfTherewolf lol.

 

[Mindblowed]

Nice and fun map, good to pass time

 

[light bolt30]

To upload screenshots, upload the images to an online site, eg. imgshack, etc. Then post that link between

. Heres a list of BB Codes as well incase you need them.

 

[Zeatherann]

Thanks, it is a fun way to pass time on B-net, alsos hows you how many noobs there are with teamwork hehe, and mortality.

 

[Tleno]

Screenshots:
1. Press Screen Shot whileplaying your map. If you won't be able to find or open the screenshot in warcraft 3 files, you can alt+tab from Warcraft after screenshoting, open paint, paste the pisture and save as JPG.
2. Upload JPG to your album.
3. In your THW album, there should be BB code tags or whatever under pisture. Copy them and paste into description.

 

[Crewdroy]

Omg! Best zombie map ever!

 

[Zeatherann]

Thanks for the screen tips. Also thanks for saying it's the best i tried to make one slightly (at least) different from RE maps and the such.

 

[Cweener]

Review Time #31 {Final Score:178/200}

Review # 31

Rating System (in weener points:)

1-10 Originality
1-10 Replayability (discounted for most cinematics*)
1-10 Triggering (discounted for protected maps*)
1-10 Terraining
1-10 Object Managing (custom items and destructibles etc...)
1-10 Spells (if applies**)
1-10 Description (On THW and In-game (Loading Screen and information))
1-15 Engaging a.k.a. fun to play
1-15 Misc (size, system implementation, laginess etc...)
-100 or +100 for abiding by THW rules.
_{* = when one is discounted then other sections maximums are raised, and those sections are judged harder (if your map applies then it will show you what i raised later)
** = some maps dont really need spells so this section is discounted and given an automatic 10.}

Rating System Scores

Less than 100 = FF- (Reported, You clearly didnt abide by all of the posting rules, and i have reported you for (not) doing so.)
100-150 Points = F- (Rancid and Needs major work. Vote for Rejection and no +rep.)
151-160 Points = F (Bad and Needs work. vote for Rejection and no +rep.)
161-170 Points = D (Below Average and Needs much updating. has potential. vote for rejection and no +rep.)
171-180 Points = C (Okay but Needs updates. has potential. vote for rejection* and no +rep.)
181-190 Points = B (Good but still not reaching full potential vote for approval and +rep)
191-199 Points = A (Great and probably has reached full potential**. good job. vote for approval and +rep.)
200 Points = A+ (Amazing, you did everything right and went all out, approval and +rep)
_{* = depending on the map really, and what categories it scored low in
** = not always but most cases.}

Zombie survival

1-10 Originality *4* Zombies+Survival=unoriginal.
1-10 Replayability *7* No lag, although, it gets boring after a bit.
1-10 Terraining *10* Great, for a map like this.
1-10 Triggering *6* You leak a lot in your jass triggers. You need to null all local handles. If you need a complete list I can get that to you, but the one you use must be nulled.(things like player, unit, etc...) and for groups just destroy them with DestroyGroup(). Also, in a custom script (GUI Trigger) I saw that you null a location, then destroy it. Just Destroy it. You also use too many BJs.
1-10 Object Managing *10* Not much work, but not bad work.
1-10 Spells *7* Needs more...something...
1-10 Description *10* fine job here.
1-15 Engaging *12* Good with friends, but it does get boring ater 2-3 plays.
1-15 Misc *12* You need to be able to pick your classes. And you should make different class too.
-100 or 100 Rules *100*
0-200 All-in-all *178* C (Okay but Needs updates. has potential. vote for rejection* and no +rep.)

Author's Note,
You did a zombie map, and there isn't much to say about it. You should add classes, and maybe a more complex AI.
I did like it however, so good job.

Bugs I found

Bugs:
Well, not so much a bug, but still, they try to attack walls...and you can see the hp of walls. >.< Go to the obj editor->go to your walls->abilities - normal->Add locust and Invulnerable(Neutral)
That will make it much better.

Recommendations

Recommendations:
Maybe visit a Jass leak tutorial.
Do the thing with the walls.
Add classes.
Add more in-depth AI.

Likes&Dislikes

[Liked]
I actually like the idea and maps like it.
The undead thing.


[Didn't like]
Other than what I've already stated,
The 1-100 attack stuff is bullshit. We could do 1 attack or 100, where's the good there?

If any map I've reviewed has been updated, feel free the ask me to re-review it. or if I haven't reviewed YOUR map, feel free to ask me.

About Images in description.
Go to ImageShack and set up a free account there. Then upload the pics(Be sure they are JPG format)
I don't use the pastebin because stuff gets deleted after time., which is bad for a description.
Next come here and do the IMG tags in your description.
If you need to know how to use an image tag I will be putting an image in a hidden tag below, so you can just quote this message and look in there.

The example image

 

[MACREADY]

I like this map 1/5

 

[ap0calypse]

Seeing the reviews here, I can't reject the map, thus I'll have to go for approval.
I'll give you a few hints though:

1. Replace the walls, these types of walls already have a bad texture at size 1.00, if you double that, it becomes... well, you can see the outcome yourself, can't you?
2. The castle is being swallowed by the walls, fix that.
3. Don't use flashy colors, especially not if you made a typo in a word with the flashy color (such as "Wealcome"), it's impossible not to see it and it hurts my eyes.
4. Recheck all your text:
   - There are a lot of typo's
   - The intro is a huge wall of text (you're being overwhelmed by both the cinematic AND the screen text, which are both massive blocks... there is no way that is even healthy).
5. Work on your JASS, really.
   Also, 'every 0.01 seconds'? That's way too frequent, no matter how you look at it.

 

[Zeatherann]

Thanks the walls are ment to be able to be killed. I'll fix the wall of text. The every 0.01 seconds is for zombie spawn, i'll put it to the min, just forgot at the time i made the trigger. Still cleaning leaks and typo's. The 1-100 is so that the lich can't own buildings or units in every few shots. It makes it more balanced so to say. The balance comes from high level lichs with the ability to deal 25 times their damage to buildings.

What wall would you suggest?

Clases i've been thinking about, I'll add them once the other stuff is done.

Edit: Thanks for the reviews!

 

[Zartyzzo]

"anthro-vixen games"
Really...?

 

[Zeatherann]

Why yes...

 

[Radicool]

Is this map some kind of joke? The undead have like 100 armor and are impossible to kill. I died in 1 hit from a Zombie. The terran looks wierd. And there are obvious spelling mistakes all over the place. And why attempt a story if your going to make it so cliche', lame, predictable and rushed?

Zombies+Survival=unoriginal.

And that quote is from a review. Lol, thats a sad comment. Originality is if something hasnt been done before. Every style of game has been done before. Survival, tower defence, RPG, etc. Its all be done before you fool. You dont say something is unoriginal because its a zombie survival! What makes a game original is how they go about exploring the chosen genre. Any new mechanics, or ideas, etc.

Needs more...something...

lol. Once again, very informative. You helped the creator out a lot.

No lag, although, it gets boring after a bit.

Whats lag got to do with replayability? And again, very informative with the boring thing.

 

[Zeatherann]

Whoa, total necropost, a reminder that I still have this map. Mayhaps I should gid it out of my maps folder again and finish the new version.

As far as balance: my friends and I extensively played this map and found only one issue; Lich's become too powerful late game with their carrion swarm like spell as it instagibs the players.

I assure you the terrain was the first thing I replaced.

PS: Figured out what my weekend project is now.